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I know it's the Atlantic, but the article is pretty good actually.

My opinion on it is that as soon as "the news" became entertainment fueled opinion pieces instead of factual reporting is when America jumped the shark. Now every idiot that laps up TV as if it's reality has an opinion and they think they're informed or enlightened.

All the while the folks up in DC (swamp still as murky and stinky as ever) laugh while the populace splinters into smaller and smaller fragments.

By Amanda Ripley

WATERTOWN, N.Y.—Watertown, in a remote stretch of upstate New York known as the North Country, is an unforgiving place. In winter, the snow careens off Lake Ontario and entombs the town in installments of feet, not inches. The crows arrive around the same time, in whirling flocks, to roost along the Black River. There are so many of them that city contractors have to scare them off with fireworks and lasers, a confusing spectacle of cawing and light. By January, when the temperatures can drop below –10 degrees and the wind whips up, your eyelashes can freeze together before you reach your car.

When Watertown gets national attention, it is usually because of Fort Drum, the home of the U.S. Army’s 10th Mountain Division. The nearby base employs every third worker in Jefferson County and provides a welcome infusion of federal money and new families into town. President Donald Trump came here in August to sign a military-spending bill before a tableau of soldiers and weaponry.

But Watertown is notable for another reason, officially unrecognized until now. It is located in one of the most politically tolerant counties in America, according to a first-of-its-kind analysis conducted for The Atlantic by PredictWise. Using an original national poll, voter-registration files, and other large data sets, PredictWise determined that Jefferson County and several nearby counties in the North Country are distinct from other parts of America. (See the accompanying story for more details about this analysis.) These are places where people can disagree on politics but still, it appears, give one another the benefit of the doubt.

Watertown is the seat of Jefferson County, a generally conservative place, which Trump won by 20 percentage points in 2016. But people here tend to be less likely than Americans elsewhere to say they’d be upset if a family member married someone from the other party, according to PredictWise. They are more likely to describe their political opponents as “patriotic” and less likely to describe them as “selfish.” (Click here to see how your own county does in the ranking of political comity.)

This makes Watertown exceptional. In the rest of America, half of Democrats and Republicans see members of the opposing party as not just ill-informed but actually frightening, according to the Pew Research Center. According to a 2018 survey by the Public Religion Research Institute and The Atlantic, 45 percent of Democrats and 35 percent of Republicans say they’d be unhappy if their child married someone from the opposite party (up from about 5 percent for both groups in 1960).

This matters because political disdain has begun to distort our perception of reality. Democrats now think Republicans are richer, older, crueler, and more unreasonable than they are in real life, according to multiple studies, including one by Douglas Ahler and Gaurav Sood published in The Journal of Politics in April. Republicans, meanwhile, think Democrats are more godless, gay, and radical than they actually are. The more righteous we get, the more mistakes we make.

As is the case anywhere else in the world, demonization eventually bends toward violence. Already, nearly 20 percent of Democrats and Republicans say that many members of the other side “lack the traits to be considered fully human,” according to a 2017 survey by the political scientists Nathan Kalmoe and Lilliana Mason. Even more chilling: About 15 percent of Republicans and 20 percent of Democrats agree that the country would be “better off if large numbers of opposing partisans in the public today ‘just died.’”

The most politically prejudiced people in America right now don’t seem to be the most vulnerable ones. The PredictWise analysis showed that the most judgmental partisans tend to be white, urban, older, highly educated, politically engaged, and politically segregated. And the inverse is also true, which explains why the Watertown area stands out. It’s a very white place, but it’s also fairly young, largely suburban and rural, and not particularly highly educated.

Most remarkably, it’s politically diverse. You are more likely to interact with someone in Jefferson County with different political views—in your neighborhood and even in your own home—than you are in other places. And these interactions can make life uncomfortable. But they also seem to inoculate people against the worst tendencies of our time. Instead of provoking rage, these encounters seem to provoke something like complexity.


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I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.

What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.
(03-04-2019 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.

What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.

My sentiments exactly. I have friends that are moderate dems and they tow the party line... I find it baffling as well.
(03-04-2019 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.

What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.

I see anyone that yields to a socialist party as evil....

I thought you did too...

regardless, they've become useful idiots using their volition....

the danger is only if they win....

1b) is still above line 1c) for a reason....

#neverunderestimate

you can't argue with today's dem....it's not worth trying at this point....
(03-04-2019 08:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.
What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.
I see anyone that yields to a socialist party as evil....
I thought you did too...
regardless, they've become useful idiots using their volition....
the danger is only if they win....
1b) is still above line 1c) for a reason....
#neverunderestimate
you can't argue with today's dem....it's not worth trying at this point....

These are people that I have never thought of as evil. Guy who played first base on my little league team. Guy I grew up with and played a lot of golf and drank a lot of (then illegal) beer with in our teens. Guy I went to Rice with and probably see a dozen times a year, including going to several Astros games together, and he's a tax lawyer so he understands the adverse impacts of a 70% marginal tax rate. Another guy I went to Rice with, one of my very best friends for years, retired from BP, haven't seen him in probably ten years except to exchange views on Facebook a few times. Guy I was in the Navy with, was a hospital corpsman who went on to med school on the Air Force's nickel, retired from the Air Force as a light colonel, on the faculty at Vanderbilt medical, now retired. All reasonably intelligent and (I thought) reasonably sane.

But they've all gone stark raving mad left on the political spectrum. I can only reconcile them to the people I thought I knew by saying they have become useful idiots.
(03-04-2019 08:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 08:38 PM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.
What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.
I see anyone that yields to a socialist party as evil....
I thought you did too...
regardless, they've become useful idiots using their volition....
the danger is only if they win....
1b) is still above line 1c) for a reason....
#neverunderestimate
you can't argue with today's dem....it's not worth trying at this point....

These are people that I have never thought of as evil. Guy who played first base on my little league team. Guy I grew up with and played a lot of golf and drank a lot of (then illegal) beer with in our teens. Guy I went to Rice with and probably see a dozen times a year, including going to several Astros games together, and he's a tax lawyer so he understands the adverse impacts of a 70% marginal tax rate. Another guy I went to Rice with, one of my very best friends for years, retired from BP, haven't seen him in probably ten years except to exchange views on Facebook a few times. Guy I was in the Navy with, was a hospital corpsman who went on to med school on the Air Force's nickel, retired from the Air Force as a light colonel, on the faculty at Vanderbilt medical, now retired. All reasonably intelligent and (I thought) reasonably sane.

But they've all gone stark raving mad left on the political spectrum. I can only reconcile them to the people I thought I knew by saying they have become useful idiots.

fair enough Owl....I seriously do have longer term concerns about Tejas and FL in the not to distant future....

needless to say, even you've given credit where credit is due over the past 2.2 yrs....

there's a certain intelligent collective that have lost their dadgum minds....
I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.
My Mom has had the same thing happen to her college friends. They went to a Jesuit college and 3 of them used to be moderate Catholic Democrats (the type who supported JFK) and they're now stark raving mad liberals.

Starting about 4-5 years ago, their reunions would occasionally transform into parrotting talking points from leftist talking heads. My Mom would never disagree with them, she'd just let them ramble on to try to keep the peace. Then two weeks ago she got sick of it and said that she was against legalized abortion. They were shocked and didn't really have an answer to her questions (such as - what percentage of abortions are actually rape or incest? And if it's a "women's health issue," why would abortion be the answer? Abortion is much riskier than natural childbirth or a C-section. My Mom, who's a nurse, said that she's never seen a doctor perform an abortion if the mother's health was endangered by the baby). They'd avoid her questions by shifting gear to "women's choice," which quite transparently didn't answer her questions about their talking points.

The leftist talking points break down pretty quickly with a few direct questions.

She also disagreed with them on taxes and gun control, but by focusing in detail on one issue, she didn't come off as argumentative. Her measured response actually caused one of them to e-mail her last week to say that she was completely reconsidering her position on that issue. Bravo!
(03-04-2019 11:41 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]My Mom has had the same thing happen to her college friends. They went to a Jesuit college and 3 of them used to be moderate Catholic Democrats (the type who supported JFK) and they're now stark raving mad liberals.

Starting about 4-5 years ago, their reunions would occasionally transform into parrotting talking points from leftist talking heads. My Mom would never disagree with them, she'd just let them ramble on to try to keep the peace. Then two weeks ago she got sick of it and said that she was against legalized abortion. They were shocked and didn't really have an answer to her questions (such as - what percentage of abortions are actually rape or incest? And if it's a "women's health issue," why would abortion be the answer? Abortion is much riskier than natural childbirth or a C-section. My Mom, who's a nurse, said that she's never seen a doctor perform an abortion if the mother's health was endangered by the baby). They'd avoid her questions by shifting gear to "women's choice," which quite transparently didn't answer her questions about their talking points.

The leftist talking points break down pretty quickly with a few direct questions.

She also disagreed with them on taxes and gun control, but by focusing in detail on one issue, she didn't come off as argumentative. Her measured response actually caused one of them to e-mail her last week to say that she was completely reconsidering her position on that issue. Bravo!

Your mom sounds like a normal person and it's a rarity now that people can talk anymore and disagree while at the same time remaining friends. Good for her and her people.
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.
(03-04-2019 08:30 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't see rank and file democrats as evil people. But I do see their leadership--like Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, and Reid--as despicable socialists/communists who would lead the country to ruin if necessary in order to implement their political agenda. Let me be clear, I am not saying that they intentionally want to destroy America. I am saying that I believe the policies that they wish to pursue would have that effect, and I believe them to be indifferent about that. And I see those rank and file democrats as not evil people, but more like useful idiots.

What I find most troubling is that I have a number of friends who are reasonably to very intelligent, and whom I would describe as center-left, or would have described them as so two decades ago. But today, they are defending the likes of AOC and criticizing anyone who leans right, center-right, center, or even center-left. I really don't understand the phenomenon, except perhaps reflective of party over country. In any event, I find it very disturbing.

I never did either.....

Until the ACT 10 "protests" here in Wisconsin circa 2011.

I have NEVER seen the amount of hate, vitriol, anger, venom, and hostility not only leveled at Republican politicians, but at ANYONE who voted for them or agreed with their views.

It was the first time the GOP said "no, we have the power, we're doing things OUR way whether you like it or not". It was the first time the lefties had to deal with someone giving them a taste of their own medicine.

They didn't like it and acted like it.

As far as I'm concerned, it was one of the first time we saw their TRUE colors, same colors we're continuing to see now.
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

One would think they'd lump the child molesters in among the queers.
(03-05-2019 09:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

One would think they'd lump the child molesters in among the queers.

Lol, I was gonna say the same thing.

More abortions = less kids to diddle. You'd think they'd be against it.
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

FTR, I don't disagree on a basic level. I still think gays are not normal but hell, neither am I. The hypocrisy of the church is inarguable though.
(03-05-2019 10:09 AM)king king Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 09:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

One would think they'd lump the child molesters in among the queers.

Lol, I was gonna say the same thing.

More abortions = less kids to diddle. You'd think they'd be against it.

Their stance on abortion - and most politics - has veered clearly to the left, just another reason to label myself a fallen Catholic. As much as that pains some members of the family it is what it is.
I think the more politically invested you get, the less willing you are to hear the other side's opinion. If you spend a lot of time with like-minded people - on a message board, or meetings, or whatever, I think it's basically an echo chamber reinforcing your beliefs. The internet makes it a lot easier to get like that.
(03-05-2019 10:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the more politically invested you get, the less willing you are to hear the other side's opinion. If you spend a lot of time with like-minded people - on a message board, or meetings, or whatever, I think it's basically an echo chamber reinforcing your beliefs. The internet makes it a lot easier to get like that.

It then becomes incumbent upon the individual to position oneself to be challenged. I enjoy coming here because I am with like minded people but it would get boring really fast if there weren't others here offering alternative views. As much as I may disagree with them and even make fun at their expense I see the value in opposing viewpoints. No one has yet changed my mind completely about anything political but I have been forced to consider alternative viewpoints as having at least some validity.
(03-05-2019 11:07 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 10:57 AM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ]I think the more politically invested you get, the less willing you are to hear the other side's opinion. If you spend a lot of time with like-minded people - on a message board, or meetings, or whatever, I think it's basically an echo chamber reinforcing your beliefs. The internet makes it a lot easier to get like that.

It then becomes incumbent upon the individual to position oneself to be challenged. I enjoy coming here because I am with like minded people but it would get boring really fast if there weren't others here offering alternative views. As much as I may disagree with them and even make fun at their expense I see the value in opposing viewpoints. No one has yet changed my mind completely about anything political but I have been forced to consider alternative viewpoints as having at least some validity.

toss in a multi-cultural and intellectual demographic scattered across the nation and those abroad, and one begins to appreciate much more than from the black and white, today's msm, or goin' to da bah® (my best yankee voicing)... 03-wink
(03-05-2019 09:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

One would think they'd lump the child molesters in among the queers.

We do.

Pay close attention to the media reports on the abuse crisis. There's not a single new American abuse case since the Church reformed itself in the early 00s. Every accusation is over 2 decades old.

It's a remarkable achievement.

The uproar over the past year is precisely because Catholics have very low tolerance for the mere appearance of a coverup anymore since 2005. Last year it was revealed that a bishop covered up allegations against another bishop in 2004. Then there were hit jobs by reporters, attorneys general, and the PA grand jury that were all about abused cases before 2000 (and in the PA grand jury report, it's turning out to be uncorroborated).

The only reason it's staying in the news is because the rest of the world is finally catching up to the USA. The Vatican initially though it was just an American problem. But scandals in other countries over the past 15 years have finally made them realize that gay child abuse by clergy is a worldwide problem. They're in the middle of doing something about it as we speak. It doesn't happen overnight though - if you think the US government is slow, wait till you see a 2000 year old transnational organization with over a billion members.
(03-05-2019 03:13 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 09:02 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-05-2019 07:53 AM)TrueBlueDrew Wrote: [ -> ]
(03-04-2019 11:38 PM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]I understand your feelings but probably much more than you I'm in a city that is around 80% of the population. Here the majority, again about 80% are Catholics. My gripe with them is that they claim to be Christian but hold no reservations concerning abortion. They feel it's alright and those that don't think it's alright are still voting for the party that okays killing babies. I can't understand them. How can you be a staunch Catholic and yet don't give a hoot about killing babies, or not worrying that the Gays are slowly making their perverted sexuality a normality. I wish they could see their hypocrisy but like Demoncraps you can tell them anything. They get mad if you talk about the Bible and they get mad if you talk politics if it's not their party. It's a lost battle.

One would think devout Catholics would see the hypocrisy in calling gays perverts while protecting the child molesters in their own churches but I digress.

One would think they'd lump the child molesters in among the queers.

We do.

Pay close attention to the media reports on the abuse crisis. There's not a single new American abuse case since the Church reformed itself in the early 00s. Every accusation is over 2 decades old.

It's a remarkable achievement.

The uproar over the past year is precisely because Catholics have very low tolerance for the mere appearance of a coverup anymore since 2005. Last year it was revealed that a bishop covered up allegations against another bishop in 2004. Then there were hit jobs by reporters, attorneys general, and the PA grand jury that were all about abused cases before 2000 (and in the PA grand jury report, it's turning out to be uncorroborated).

The only reason it's staying in the news is because the rest of the world is finally catching up to the USA. The Vatican initially though it was just an American problem. But scandals in other countries over the past 15 years have finally made them realize that gay child abuse by clergy is a worldwide problem. They're in the middle of doing something about it as we speak. It doesn't happen overnight though - if you think the US government is slow, wait till you see a 2000 year old transnational organization with over a billion members.

it's disgusting in any capacity....

it's why I no longer practice religion...

the denomination doesn't matter....too many make an attempt to pre(a)y upon the meek....

I gave 'em all da finga moons ago....it became much easier after that...

disclaimer: I wouldn't trade being reared in religion for anything.....it was simply another chapter in life....

my daughter now prays for me....I simply tell her thank you!
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