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Interesting article. I think he is right that because of the inner city nature of the school, history, and (all black players), that we sort of get labeled, fair or not fair. Even though most the players seem like really good guys with good families.
I will give Mick some credit though, as he does appear to be shifting his recruiting strategy to more offensive minded players (Cumberland, Washington, Curtis, etc.), even the players he is targeting for 2020 appear to fit that mold (Wilcher and RJ Davis). Not only has the game changed, but the officiating had changed. The refs wont let you get away with the old rough and tumble rock fights we were used to in the Big East days or even the Huggins years.
The game is changing but he says our teams of 20 years ago would not win as much now. Well I would be happy to suffer through a season with a roster like Kenyon, Mickeal , Dermarr Johnson, Logan, Satterfield, Strokes, Fletcher, Tate etc. in today's style play.
(02-09-2019 08:52 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ]The game is changing but he says our teams of 20 years ago would not win as much now. Well I would be happy to suffer through a season with a roster of Kenyon, Mickeal , Dermarr Johnson, Logan, Satterfield, Strokes, Fletcher, Tate etc.
Very true. Some of those mid to late 90's teams were loaded with talent. 4* and 5* NBA quality players. Sort of apples and oranges.
(02-09-2019 08:52 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ]The game is changing but he says our teams of 20 years ago would not win as much now. Well I would be happy to suffer through a season with a roster like Kenyon, Mickeal , Dermarr Johnson, Logan, Satterfield, Strokes, Fletcher, Tate etc. in today's style play.
That's an absurd take from doc
(02-09-2019 08:12 AM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]link
Interesting article. I think he is right that because of the inner city nature of the school, history, and (all black players), that we sort of get labeled, fair or not fair. Even though most the players seem like really good guys with good families.
I will give Mick some credit though, as he does appear to be shifting his recruiting strategy to more offensive minded players (Cumberland, Washington, Curtis, etc.), even the players he is targeting for 2020 appear to fit that mold (Wilcher and RJ Davis). Not only has the game changed, but the officiating had changed. The refs wont let you get away with the old rough and tumble rock fights we were used to in the Big East days or even the Huggins years.
This article implies that Cronin should stay away from "tough" players.
How ridiculous.
(02-09-2019 09:24 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2019 08:52 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ]The game is changing but he says our teams of 20 years ago would not win as much now. Well I would be happy to suffer through a season with a roster like Kenyon, Mickeal , Dermarr Johnson, Logan, Satterfield, Strokes, Fletcher, Tate etc. in today's style play.
That's an absurd take from doc
A lot of those teams did struggle in the NCAA due to point guard play but guys like Logan, Kenyon, and most the above would
be great in any style.
The big thing is those teams overall would have to be constructed differently and would probably be forced into a less physical style. It probably would have hurt Fortson and a few other bigs from the 1990’s.
Also building from the Juco ranks today is a non-starter so conceptually just grabbing the best juco players isn’t viable.
Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
(02-09-2019 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
Wish our current team had a Fortson or even a Coreontae DeBerry who could post down low and finish. Interesting to wonder how the new rules with the restrictive arc would have effected Danny; couldn't be quite so physical getting position but once he set up inside the arc he would have been unstoppable in my opinion.
(02-09-2019 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
Agreed. If only those teams could have had a competent PG. The PG has definitely been this programs achilles heel going back to the Huggs years.
(02-09-2019 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
Nostalgia for '96?! That was a really good but incredibly disappointing team, come on.
(02-09-2019 09:24 AM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2019 08:52 AM)cincybb51 Wrote: [ -> ]The game is changing but he says our teams of 20 years ago would not win as much now. Well I would be happy to suffer through a season with a roster like Kenyon, Mickeal , Dermarr Johnson, Logan, Satterfield, Strokes, Fletcher, Tate etc. in today's style play.
That's an absurd take from doc
Yea...that's a head scratcher. I could see if he meant that because of the way the game is called/officiated today, compared to how it was 20 years ago has changed and makes it harder for those 90s teams to win today. But he didn't come across that way.
(02-09-2019 10:50 AM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2019 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
Agreed. If only those teams could have had a competent PG. The PG has definitely been this programs achilles heel going back to the Huggs years.
That's why the teams with Logan and VanExel (and LeGree to a lesser extent) were the most successful. Huggs did best with a "ready-made" point guard added to the trademark defense.
You just have to find one.
Flint played out of position his entire career at UC...he was really a small forward, not a point guard or shooting guard. That's a big reason those teams sputtered.
IDK, I do tend to think the game has become softer, more favorable to shooters and skill players. There's an interesting split in the NBA between old school players like LeBron and Gianni's vs. New age talents like Harden and Curry. Kids wanna shoot now.
I read the article and didn't take it as negativity as everyone else. Those 90s teams were more talented relative to the competition but they would really struggle now. That's not a knock on them just a comment on how the game has changed. Danny Fortson is the best player who has played for us in the Shoemaker era and I have no idea how he'd guard anyone on the perimeter. It's more skill and versatility based now than athleticism and physicality.
To compare eras look at LeBron vs MJ. Despite being the size of Karl Malone LBJ handles the ball frequently and shoots threes at a much higher volume and rate. Now if MJ was in this era he probably would have developed his other skills more but clearly skills are more important in this era.
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Dumbest article I ever read.
How many youth players even know Highs coached at UC. Parents do not care either.
I saw the article on cincinnati.com and was tempted to click on it. Then I remembered that nearly every article Doc has ever written on UC is ridiculously negative clickbait that makes no logical sense. After reading this thread, I'm glad I resisted.
(02-09-2019 12:10 PM)Romell Shorter Wrote: [ -> ]Dumbest article I ever read.
How many youth players even know Highs coached at UC. Parents do not care either.
Yes, they do.
(02-09-2019 12:15 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]I saw the article on cincinnati.com and was tempted to click on it. Then I remembered that nearly every article Doc has ever written on UC is ridiculously negative clickbait that makes no logical sense. After reading this thread, I'm glad I resisted.
It was largely an interview with Cronin.
(02-09-2019 11:10 AM)levydl Wrote: [ -> ] (02-09-2019 10:22 AM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Gimme Fortson, Patterson, Burton and Flint from 1996 and I like my chances against the field in today’s CBB.
Nostalgia for '96?! That was a really good but incredibly disappointing team, come on.
I just picked one team as an example to refute the article. Fortson’s snd Patterson’s skill set does translate today.
Doc is really getting lazy.