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Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress
Quote:The Washington Post
Democracy Dies in Darkness
Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress
Buzzfeed News reported on Thursday that Michael Cohen has told prosecutors that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress.
By Tim Elfrink January 18 at 12:12 AM
Democratic leaders reacted with fury and demanded an investigation late Thursday following a new report that President Trump personally directed his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about the president’s push for a lucrative condo project in Moscow in the lead-up to the 2016 election.
The Thursday night report from BuzzFeed News cites two unnamed federal law enforcement officials who say Cohen acknowledged in interviews with the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III that the president directed him to deceive Congress about key facts linking Trump to the proposed deal in Russia. Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying under oath about those details.
Democrats said that if the report is accurate, Trump must quickly be held to account for his role in the perjury, with some raising the specter of impeachment.
Immediate thought is Cohen is a liar so big deal right?
Quote:But BuzzFeed says that Mueller’s office has more evidence than just Cohen’s testimony that Trump directed him to lie to Congress. Per the report, Cohen’s testimony is backed up by “interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”
Not good for DJT. AND before yall say this isnt a big deal... the nominee for AG Barr said under oath that THIS VERY ACTION constitutes obstruction of justice and lying to Co gress, which is a felony.
"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr
And Before anyone complains about the provenance of Buzzfeed reporting...
Anthony Cormier is an investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. While working for the Tampa Bay Times, Cormier won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.
Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles. He is a 2018 Pulitzer finalist for international reporting
Yep, that is going to be one of the things that send Donald Trump to prison. Mueller busted Cohen for lying about it because he had physical evidence, per the reporting
Physical evidence + Witness corroboration = Conviction.
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This is not surprising from Trump. But it is a bona fide BOMBSHELL of a story regardless.
So let me make sure I have this straight ................
Cohen lied to Congress and Mueller caught him in a lie somewhere or another. Mueller charged him with the crime of lying under oath - correct so far?
As we are coming up to Cohen getting sentencing for his lying, he is hoping to be a good boy and get a reduced sentence by showing he is fully cooperating with Mueller - right?
Now, if I understand you (and them) correctly ... Cohen is telling Mueller ..... Donald Trump made me lie!!! I couldn't help it!!! He made me do it!!!
I would have to question that myself by asking .... Exactly how did he force you to lie to us Mr. Cohen? Did he say pretty please? Did he go so far as to say, "with a cherry on top"? Well, if he did then we really have him this time.
(01-18-2019 01:26 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]So let me make sure I have this straight ................
Cohen lied to Congress and Mueller caught him in a lie somewhere or another. Mueller charged him with the crime of lying under oath - correct so far?
As we are coming up to Cohen getting sentencing for his lying, he is hoping to be a good boy and get a reduced sentence by showing he is fully cooperating with Mueller - right?
Now, if I understand you (and them) correctly ... Cohen is telling Mueller ..... Donald Trump made me lie!!! I couldn't help it!!! He made me do it!!!
I would have to question that myself by asking .... Exactly how did he force you to lie to us Mr. Cohen? Did he say pretty please? Did he go so far as to say, "with a cherry on top"? Well, if he did then we really have him this time.
The relevant information is:
"The special counsel's office learned about Trump's directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents."
If there is actual hard evidence like the above says, then Trump has committed a felony. We will see if the evidence actually comes out when the report is done.
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Barr has made it clear that he will be the one writing the final report. This might be where the Jonathon Karl stuff is coming from. It’s going to be anti climatic. This Barr nomination has me nervous from a truth is going to come out perspective.
Cohen has no credibility...period.
(01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Cohen has no credibility...period.
You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.
(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Cohen has no credibility...period.
You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.
if there is proof that DJT instructed cohen to lie to congress, there won't be one person here that will refuse to denounce...if this proves to be fact, pick me as the first Trump supporter to call him a damned dumbarse ....
all I see in this story is another blatant attempt from the msm to stir the pot....no proof, anonymous sources, etc....
What should be the punishment if it is proven that Trump directed Cohen to lie. Not just Cohen’s account. Hard evidence.
(01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Cohen has no credibility...period.
You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.
Unless your name is Clinton.
But, aside from that qualification, I agree.
I am generally interested in this scenario. For the President Trump supporters. What would it take for you personally to jump off the wagon.
(01-18-2019 07:59 AM)AdoptedMonarch Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2019 07:41 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2019 06:58 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]Cohen has no credibility...period.
You will MOST definitely need more than Cohen but if you have emails or other such hard evidence. That's another story. Listen, I know the majority of this room doesn't care if he instructed witnesses to lie to Congress, but that's a big thing. Obstructing justice and witness tampering are big things.
Unless your name is Clinton.
But, aside from that qualification, I agree.
I knew I would get a whattabout........ I knew it
(01-18-2019 07:58 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]What should be the punishment if it is proven that Trump directed Cohen to lie. Not just Cohen’s account. Hard evidence.
He should be forced to read 3 years of your posts on this board.
(01-18-2019 12:26 AM)JDTulane Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/20...ae5aade6a4
Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress
Quote:The Washington Post
Democracy Dies in Darkness
Democrats demand investigation after report that Trump ordered Michael Cohen to lie to Congress
Buzzfeed News reported on Thursday that Michael Cohen has told prosecutors that President Trump directed him to lie to Congress.
By Tim Elfrink January 18 at 12:12 AM
Democratic leaders reacted with fury and demanded an investigation late Thursday following a new report that President Trump personally directed his former attorney, Michael Cohen, to lie to Congress about the president’s push for a lucrative condo project in Moscow in the lead-up to the 2016 election.
The Thursday night report from BuzzFeed News cites two unnamed federal law enforcement officials who say Cohen acknowledged in interviews with the office of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III that the president directed him to deceive Congress about key facts linking Trump to the proposed deal in Russia. Cohen pleaded guilty in November to lying under oath about those details.
Democrats said that if the report is accurate, Trump must quickly be held to account for his role in the perjury, with some raising the specter of impeachment.
Immediate thought is Cohen is a liar so big deal right?
Quote:But BuzzFeed says that Mueller’s office has more evidence than just Cohen’s testimony that Trump directed him to lie to Congress. Per the report, Cohen’s testimony is backed up by “interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents.”
Not good for DJT. AND before yall say this isnt a big deal... the nominee for AG Barr said under oath that THIS VERY ACTION constitutes obstruction of justice and lying to Co gress, which is a felony.
"If a President...suborns perjury, or induces a witness to change testimony, or commits any act deliberately impairing the integrity of available evidence, then he, like anyone else, commits the crime of obstruction." — William Barr
And Before anyone complains about the provenance of Buzzfeed reporting...
Anthony Cormier is an investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in New York. While working for the Tampa Bay Times, Cormier won the 2016 Pulitzer Prize for Investigative Reporting.
Jason Leopold is a senior investigative reporter for BuzzFeed News and is based in Los Angeles. He is a 2018 Pulitzer finalist for international reporting
How is this donald trumps problem? Cohen is an attorney. If he lied that is on him. If he did "order" him.
(01-18-2019 05:18 AM)Shrack Wrote: [ -> ] (01-18-2019 01:26 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote: [ -> ]So let me make sure I have this straight ................
Cohen lied to Congress and Mueller caught him in a lie somewhere or another. Mueller charged him with the crime of lying under oath - correct so far?
As we are coming up to Cohen getting sentencing for his lying, he is hoping to be a good boy and get a reduced sentence by showing he is fully cooperating with Mueller - right?
Now, if I understand you (and them) correctly ... Cohen is telling Mueller ..... Donald Trump made me lie!!! I couldn't help it!!! He made me do it!!!
I would have to question that myself by asking .... Exactly how did he force you to lie to us Mr. Cohen? Did he say pretty please? Did he go so far as to say, "with a cherry on top"? Well, if he did then we really have him this time.
The relevant information is:
"The special counsel's office learned about Trump's directive for Cohen to lie to Congress through interviews with multiple witnesses from the Trump Organization and internal company emails, text messages, and a cache of other documents."
If there is actual hard evidence like the above says, then Trump has committed a felony. We will see if the evidence actually comes out when the report is done.
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Sorry to disagree but the relevant information is “unnamed sources”.....
BTW, I got just two words for the outraged democrats, Bill Clinton.
(01-18-2019 07:58 AM)Machiavelli Wrote: [ -> ]What should be the punishment if it is proven that Trump directed Cohen to lie. Not just Cohen’s account. Hard evidence.
How about the same punishment Bill Clinton got for telling his secretary to lie to Ken Starr. Well darn now! Trump’s not a lawyer so that won’t work.
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