Bourne says he expects Football to compete for National Championships when he introduces Curt Cignetti as our new football coach. Why is the standard so low when it comes to Men's Basketball?
I'm all for giving an alum a chance. We've done it twice now when it's come to the Men's Basketball program. I for one think a change is necessary. If we lose recruits so be it. A change is necessary. Can't keep driving this program into the ditch when it's one of two revenue generating sports for the University.
It does have a nice rhyme to it
The only player I can objectively say is showing improvement is Dwight Wilson. He got his body in shape during the offseason and is getting better and better as the season progresses. Yes, some of his points are off easy layups from assists from driving teammates, but he has been hitting some tough shots via jump hooks and even hit a nice face-up jumper today at Elon.
Banks started out strong but has been regressing. While he was committing far too many turnovers during his hot start to the season, he more than made up for it with steals, scoring, rebounding, etc. He's been a mystery as the season has progressed.
Mosley is good in spurts offensively, but can't put a full 40-minute game together. Phillips has not improved at all in his 1.5 seasons. He's the same player today he was when he suited up for his first game a season ago.
Lewis does some good things and then as the saying goes "he takes one step forward and then two steps back" at times. He still has a high ceiling and with the proper coaching could still be a superstar. For now, he is the same player he was a year ago...perhaps maybe regressed a little from where he was towards the end of last season.
Jacobs and Jones? Not much to say really. Neither has blossomed into consistently productive contributors or even reliable role players off the bench. Each disappear and have limited skill sets.
Parker is just a freshman and he'll continue to be inconsistent. Played much better today after a poor outing Friday in the CAA opener. Expect more of the roller coaster performances, but again, he's a freshman so I'll cut him some slack. Is he improving as the season progresses like Lewis did last year in his frosh year? Not much.
Parker appears to be the only potential gem from what now looks like a mediocre 2018 signing class. Regardless of who is HC next year or the next, I hope this 2019 class which signed last month will have 3 of the 4 being significant contributors who develop like Wilson appears to be doing.
The honeymoon period for Rowe is over. I can cut him just a little bit of slack for having to rely heavily on young guys, but the lack of player improvement/development/growth (other than Wilson), making the same boneheaded mistakes, and so on speaks volumes as much as the Win-Loss record. i.e., I can swallow losses if opponents are just better than us but we are showing signs of improvement...we are instead losing to opponents just as bad as we are and showing very little signs of development
Any warming of his hind parts is warranted at this point.
Just in case Rowe doesn't go 16-0, win the CAA tourney and get us to the Final Four this year, Bourne needs to start looking at some assistant coaches at programs like Nova, VA, NC, MD, WV. There's a future great HC in there somewhere.
Until we have a facility and an administration not willing to low ball salary offers, we can forget about fielding a competent men's basketball program.
Are we even top paying in the CAA among the remaining schools? If not, that's the problem.
D2 HC with sustained success. Need to pay $500k+ or we get another budget hire and we”ll have the same discussion in 2021.
And Petino? Lefty 2.0 isn’t coming to JMU. Get real.
We pay a top 150 football salary, yet refuse to pay a D1 BBall HC salary. Don’t get it.
(12-30-2018 11:27 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]D2 HC with sustained success. Need to pay $500k+ or we get another budget hire and we”ll have the same discussion in 2021.
And Petino? Lefty 2.0 isn’t coming to JMU. Get real.
We pay a top 150 football salary, yet refuse to pay a D1 BBall HC salary. Don’t get it.
For the budget and size of JMU, we should be paying a minimum of $600k. There's no reason to go from super-budget hire and move up to just a regular budget hire. Dropping money on a good MBB HC pays for itself when our ticket sales are bottoming out like they are. JMU will never be a consistent top 2-3 in the CAA if they continue to pay less than $500k for a HC (though I think we still need to go higher).
EDIT: lol...saw you edited before I posted...fair enough :)
(12-30-2018 11:35 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018 11:27 PM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ]D2 HC with sustained success. Need to pay $400k or we get another budget hire and we”ll see y’all around 2021.
And Petino? Lefty 2.0 isn’t coming to JMU. Get real.
$400k? Why bother firing Rowe if we're still going to remain near the bottom of the CAA pay scale (much less mid-atlantic pay scale).
For the budget and size of JMU, we should be paying a minimum of $600k. There's no reason to go from super-budget hire and move up to just a regular budget hire. Dropping money on a good MBB HC pays for itself when our ticket sales are bottoming out like they are. JMU will never be a consistent top 2-3 in the CAA if they continue to pay less than $500k for a HC.
Agreed, I went 500k in retrospect. We would have had Sanchez for $400k and assistant salaries. That’s why I mentioned that #....but I’m guessing it was more about the asst pool.
Here's the best numbers I could find. If anyone else has other to add to this list I can edit this post to keep them in one spot
CAA salaries:
Bill Coen - NE - $448,082
Earl Grant - CoC - $400,000
Pat Skerry - Towson - $378,433
C.B. McGrath - UNCW - $350,000 (goes up $25k each year) - Keatts was at like $625k IIRC
Matt Matheny - Elon - $288,622
Tony Shaver - WM - $224,000
Joe Mihalich - Hofstra - ???? (but recently got an extension because he turned that program around quick)
Martin Inglesby - UD - ????
Zack Spiker - Drexel - ????
Related salaries:
VCU - A10 - Mike Rhoades - $1,200,000
Louisville - ACC - David Padgett - $800,000
MTSU - CUSA - Kermit Davis - $750,000
SDSU - Mt West - Brian Dutcher - $755,424
Iona - MAAC - Tim Cluess - $511,145
Albany - Am East - Will Brown - $362,000
(12-30-2018 10:49 PM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ]Just in case Rowe doesn't go 16-0, win the CAA tourney and get us to the Final Four this year, Bourne needs to start looking at some assistant coaches at programs like Nova, VA, NC, MD, WV. There's a future great HC in there somewhere.
No more assistants. Been there, done that, and each and every assistant has been a colossal failure at JMU as a HC in MBB.
Pitino is the answer.
(12-31-2018 03:50 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018 10:49 PM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ]Just in case Rowe doesn't go 16-0, win the CAA tourney and get us to the Final Four this year, Bourne needs to start looking at some assistant coaches at programs like Nova, VA, NC, MD, WV. There's a future great HC in there somewhere.
No more assistants. Been there, done that, and each and every assistant has been a colossal failure at JMU as a HC in MBB.
Pitino is the answer.
If "who is coaching in Greece auditioning for a NBA job?" is the question then yeah, Pitino is the answer. Back to reality, Winthrop hired assistant Pat Kelsey away from Xavier and look at what he's done there. It can be done. I think he's being paid less than Rowe, too. Maybe Kelsey is on one of those "short lists" Bourne says he keeps handy.
(12-31-2018 12:13 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: [ -> ]CAA salaries:
Tony Shaver - WM - $224,000
This seems quite low to me. Kenny Brooks was earning more at JMU than Tony at W&M?
(12-31-2018 07:29 AM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 03:50 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018 10:49 PM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ]Just in case Rowe doesn't go 16-0, win the CAA tourney and get us to the Final Four this year, Bourne needs to start looking at some assistant coaches at programs like Nova, VA, NC, MD, WV. There's a future great HC in there somewhere.
No more assistants. Been there, done that, and each and every assistant has been a colossal failure at JMU as a HC in MBB.
Pitino is the answer.
If "who is coaching in Greece auditioning for a NBA job?" is the question then yeah, Pitino is the answer. Back to reality, Winthrop hired assistant Pat Kelsey away from Xavier and look at what he's done there. It can be done. I think he's being paid less than Rowe, too. Maybe Kelsey is on one of those "short lists" Bourne says he keeps handy.
No more assistants. The “reality” of those experiences have been a disaster. Pitino in Greece is an effort to get back into coaching “at any level” (Pitino’s quoted words). Maybe it’ll be the NBA for Pitino, maybe not. Who knows? No one knows for certain until an offer is made and accepted.
My point has been JMU is at a historic turning point with a new, first-class arena coming online. The expanded campus, size of the student body, overall success of the varsity athletics program, and a rapidly developing community make this a special moment in time that is ripe for a “splash” hire.
Assistants won’t do it. A current of former HC or bust.
Tongue firmly in place, Pitino is the answer. The question is who can resurrect JMU MBB.
(12-31-2018 08:30 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 12:13 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: [ -> ]CAA salaries:
Tony Shaver - WM - $224,000
This seems quite low to me. Kenny Brooks was earning more at JMU than Tony at W&M?
Don't disagree. Maybe his base salary was super low and he got some solid bonuses.
http://flathatnews.com/2009/10/06/71742/ - got a raise to $200k in 2009
https://d1coachcorner.com/Coaches/Tony_Shaver.htm - estimated at $230k on d1coachcorner
There's also a viriginainformer wordpress that has a complete XLS of W&M employee salaries that comes up in a Google search that lists him at $224k. Again, doesn't mean he doesn't have some solid perks that make it higher, but seems to currently be VERY low.
(12-31-2018 08:31 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 07:29 AM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 03:50 AM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (12-30-2018 10:49 PM)Bill Wrote: [ -> ]Just in case Rowe doesn't go 16-0, win the CAA tourney and get us to the Final Four this year, Bourne needs to start looking at some assistant coaches at programs like Nova, VA, NC, MD, WV. There's a future great HC in there somewhere.
No more assistants. Been there, done that, and each and every assistant has been a colossal failure at JMU as a HC in MBB.
Pitino is the answer.
If "who is coaching in Greece auditioning for a NBA job?" is the question then yeah, Pitino is the answer. Back to reality, Winthrop hired assistant Pat Kelsey away from Xavier and look at what he's done there. It can be done. I think he's being paid less than Rowe, too. Maybe Kelsey is on one of those "short lists" Bourne says he keeps handy.
No more assistants. The “reality” of those experiences have been a disaster. Pitino in Greece is an effort to get back into coaching “at any level” (Pitino’s quoted words). Maybe it’ll be the NBA for Pitino, maybe not. Who knows? No one knows for certain until an offer is made and accepted.
My point has been JMU is at a historic turning point with a new, first-class arena coming online. The expanded campus, size of the student body, overall success of the varsity athletics program, and a rapidly developing community make this a special moment in time that is ripe for a “splash” hire.
Assistants won’t do it. A current of former HC or bust.
Tongue firmly in place, Pitino is the answer. The question is who can resurrect JMU MBB.
And my point is there are assistants at top programs who become very successful HCs, just like Kelsey. The odds are that is where our next coach will come from. You could wave $1 million in Pitino's face and his reaction would be
You better start that gofundme campaign today.
If they hire Pitino, I'm out on JMU men's basketball. I refuse to sell my soul to that @$$hole for a few extra wins that will get vacated when it turns out he's been smoking meth with his mistress or whatever. I'd rather drop MBB than hire Pitino. Thankfully, I don't see Bourne making that phone call, but if Pitino is the answer, the question is "What's the most desperate thing the admin can do to make a splash that will ultimately backfire?"
(12-30-2018 10:29 PM)Wear Purple Wrote: [ -> ]The only player I can objectively say is showing improvement is Dwight Wilson. He got his body in shape during the offseason and is getting better and better as the season progresses. Yes, some of his points are off easy layups from assists from driving teammates, but he has been hitting some tough shots via jump hooks and even hit a nice face-up jumper today at Elon.
Banks started out strong but has been regressing. While he was committing far too many turnovers during his hot start to the season, he more than made up for it with steals, scoring, rebounding, etc. He's been a mystery as the season has progressed.
Mosley is good in spurts offensively, but can't put a full 40-minute game together. Phillips has not improved at all in his 1.5 seasons. He's the same player today he was when he suited up for his first game a season ago.
Lewis does some good things and then as the saying goes "he takes one step forward and then two steps back" at times. He still has a high ceiling and with the proper coaching could still be a superstar. For now, he is the same player he was a year ago...perhaps maybe regressed a little from where he was towards the end of last season.
Jacobs and Jones? Not much to say really. Neither has blossomed into consistently productive contributors or even reliable role players off the bench. Each disappear and have limited skill sets.
Parker is just a freshman and he'll continue to be inconsistent. Played much better today after a poor outing Friday in the CAA opener. Expect more of the roller coaster performances, but again, he's a freshman so I'll cut him some slack. Is he improving as the season progresses like Lewis did last year in his frosh year? Not much.
Parker appears to be the only potential gem from what now looks like a mediocre 2018 signing class. Regardless of who is HC next year or the next, I hope this 2019 class which signed last month will have 3 of the 4 being significant contributors who develop like Wilson appears to be doing.
The honeymoon period for Rowe is over. I can cut him just a little bit of slack for having to rely heavily on young guys, but the lack of player improvement/development/growth (other than Wilson), making the same boneheaded mistakes, and so on speaks volumes as much as the Win-Loss record. i.e., I can swallow losses if opponents are just better than us but we are showing signs of improvement...we are instead losing to opponents just as bad as we are and showing very little signs of development
Any warming of his hind parts is warranted at this point.
I was not at the game yesterday but I listened to it on the radio. In defense of Rowe, he was not blowing the foul whistle. Rowe could not help it that the refs were very bias to Elon. Guess they were from that area and took it from us because of Cignetti coming to JMU. 16 fouls on JMU 4 on Elon in the first half. No way! Would like to hear from someone who was at the game.
Pitino will never coach at JMU, and JMU will never call the guy. You can take that jar of pennies TO THE BANK
(12-31-2018 08:47 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 08:30 AM)Deez Nuts Wrote: [ -> ] (12-31-2018 12:13 AM)jmufan2008 Wrote: [ -> ]CAA salaries:
Tony Shaver - WM - $224,000
This seems quite low to me. Kenny Brooks was earning more at JMU than Tony at W&M?
Don't disagree. Maybe his base salary was super low and he got some solid bonuses.
http://flathatnews.com/2009/10/06/71742/ - got a raise to $200k in 2009
https://d1coachcorner.com/Coaches/Tony_Shaver.htm - estimated at $230k on d1coachcorner
There's also a viriginainformer wordpress that has a complete XLS of W&M employee salaries that comes up in a Google search that lists him at $224k. Again, doesn't mean he doesn't have some solid perks that make it higher, but seems to currently be VERY low.
Nope, that’s really his pay. There are the usual bonuses in there, but nothing great. We have been very lucky to keep him for so long at such a low salary. We will have to up our game when he leaves.