He is rumored to be interested in the Temple job. I know he was only with you guys 2 years, any insights you could offer? Tennessee booted him after one bad season. Does he ride on the coat-tails of good recruiting from previous coaches or is a winner in his own right? Appreciate your feedback in advance.
He was here for 3 years. His first year he went 4-8 with a loaded roster... not sure what happened there. After that, he was okay IMO. He had some hokey slogans and didn't at all seem genuine, and his in-game decisions were questionable at times. But after his first season, he was able to capitalize on some of the Brian Kelly-era momentum and rack up a decent amount of wins.
I do not think he is capable of rebuilding a program, so an ECU-type situation would not work for him IMO. However, if you already have a decent roster, he should be able to keep you guys competent. Maybe he has learned something after holding Nick Saban's "rope," but I wouldn't expect him to create a dominant program.
I would, however, expect him to beg for an interview for literally every P5 job opening during his tenure at Temple, or any other G5 school. It's the kind of coach he is.
(12-09-2018 10:15 PM)TubaCat Wrote: [ -> ]I do not think he is capable of rebuilding a program, so an ECU-type situation would not work for him IMO. However, if you already have a decent roster, he should be able to keep y
I would, however, expect him to beg for an interview for literally every P5 job opening during his tenure at Temple, or any other G5 school. It's the kind of coach he is.
This is only applicable to his top 30 dream schools from his time growing up in Michigan (ie. Colorado, Purdue, U of British Columbia, etc. - he already checked off Tennessee).
I heard Schiano is also in the running.
I'm not a huge Jones fan, but if its down to those two, Id take Jones over Schiano no questions asked.
Recruits well, seems to rack up wins when he's supposed to. But damn he cannot, for the life of him, win a big game. Everyone on here remembers the goose egg against Rutgers with the conference title in clear sight.
Greg Schiano is the "money down." LOL
He'll just keep on chopping!
Very weak game day coach. Decent recruiter. Couldn't stand to listen to his constant 'coach speak'. Honestly was not upset when he left and would not welcome him back.
Good resume but the personal interview is the problem. How many Rocky-isms would Butch use for his wacky sayings?
Just say no to retread hires.
Thanks guys. Heard enough. Luke warm responses at best. I'll pass. Hope our AD Kraft does as well.
I'm a NO on Schiano already.
When he left I was indifferent. Loss at Toledo sticks out. Didn't seem like he could win the big games. Seemed to routinely misuse personnel.
Schiano's personality is more consistent with Philly than Lyle. Lyle can go a little new age on you. Schiano is a little more blue collar.
(12-09-2018 11:39 PM)gerhard911 Wrote: [ -> ]Very weak game day coach. Decent recruiter. Couldn't stand to listen to his constant 'coach speak'. Honestly was not upset when he left and would not welcome him back.
This.
Also, I'd add that Jones won't get your program in trouble. That's worth something at a school like Temple.
When Jones was choosing between offers from Tennessee and Purdue, I remember thinking that Jones would be one of the only coaches who would do better at Purdue. Most coaches should choose Tennessee because it's one of the biggest fanbases and biggest programs in college sports. But Jones isn't good enough to ever win the SEC East so he'd get fired. Purdue, on the hand, would be thrilled with 7 or 8 win seasons, and they'd love a coach that will never commit any recruiting violations or have players who get arrested.
Purdue just signed a $6 million/year contract extension for a coach who went 6-6 and lost to Eastern Michigan. That could have been Jones if he had made the right choice.
(12-10-2018 11:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018 11:39 PM)gerhard911 Wrote: [ -> ]Very weak game day coach. Decent recruiter. Couldn't stand to listen to his constant 'coach speak'. Honestly was not upset when he left and would not welcome him back.
This.
Also, I'd add that Jones won't get your program in trouble. That's worth something at a school like Temple.
When Jones was choosing between offers from Tennessee and Purdue, I remember thinking that Jones would be one of the only coaches who would do better at Purdue. Most coaches should choose Tennessee because it's one of the biggest fanbases and biggest programs in college sports. But Jones isn't good enough to ever win the SEC East so he'd get fired. Purdue, on the hand, would be thrilled with 7 or 8 win seasons, and they'd love a coach that will never commit any recruiting violations or have players who get arrested.
Purdue just signed a $6 million/year contract extension for a coach who went 6-6 and lost to Eastern Michigan. That could have been Jones if he had made the right choice.
Good post. I never thought of it that way.
(12-10-2018 12:26 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018 11:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018 11:39 PM)gerhard911 Wrote: [ -> ]Very weak game day coach. Decent recruiter. Couldn't stand to listen to his constant 'coach speak'. Honestly was not upset when he left and would not welcome him back.
This.
Also, I'd add that Jones won't get your program in trouble. That's worth something at a school like Temple.
When Jones was choosing between offers from Tennessee and Purdue, I remember thinking that Jones would be one of the only coaches who would do better at Purdue. Most coaches should choose Tennessee because it's one of the biggest fanbases and biggest programs in college sports. But Jones isn't good enough to ever win the SEC East so he'd get fired. Purdue, on the hand, would be thrilled with 7 or 8 win seasons, and they'd love a coach that will never commit any recruiting violations or have players who get arrested.
Purdue just signed a $6 million/year contract extension for a coach who went 6-6 and lost to Eastern Michigan. That could have been Jones if he had made the right choice.
Good post. I never thought of it that way.
Eh, my recollection is he visited Purdue and pretty much had an offer from them but turned it down and came back and told Whit it was because the facilities/commitment weren't there compared to UC. Then he visited Colorado and my recollection is he was torn but leaning towards taking it, but Colorado got impatient with the optics and began backing out just as Tennessee was opening up so TN was a godsend for him. But I don't think he was "deciding" between much at that point. He had rejected Purdue and Colorado was moving on. In fact, I think Whit and UC (not to mention us fans) were understandably getting very tired of Lyle's cross country tour drama. UC was done renegotiating with him and by the time he said he also wanted to interview with Tennessee I think Whit was more than ready to let him walk and even considering just firing him straight up.
Footballscoop is posting that CBJ has been offered an Associate Head Coaching position at Maryland.
Looking at the tenure of this thread, and seeing how his name was brought up with other jobs but not being a finalist (ie. Purdue, ECU, etc.) it is obvious the man probably needs to prove himself a little more before another school is willing to make them their HC.
(12-10-2018 01:04 PM)Bearhawkeye Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018 12:26 PM)Z-Fly Wrote: [ -> ] (12-10-2018 11:39 AM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (12-09-2018 11:39 PM)gerhard911 Wrote: [ -> ]Very weak game day coach. Decent recruiter. Couldn't stand to listen to his constant 'coach speak'. Honestly was not upset when he left and would not welcome him back.
This.
Also, I'd add that Jones won't get your program in trouble. That's worth something at a school like Temple.
When Jones was choosing between offers from Tennessee and Purdue, I remember thinking that Jones would be one of the only coaches who would do better at Purdue. Most coaches should choose Tennessee because it's one of the biggest fanbases and biggest programs in college sports. But Jones isn't good enough to ever win the SEC East so he'd get fired. Purdue, on the hand, would be thrilled with 7 or 8 win seasons, and they'd love a coach that will never commit any recruiting violations or have players who get arrested.
Purdue just signed a $6 million/year contract extension for a coach who went 6-6 and lost to Eastern Michigan. That could have been Jones if he had made the right choice.
Good post. I never thought of it that way.
Eh, my recollection is he visited Purdue and pretty much had an offer from them but turned it down and came back and told Whit it was because the facilities/commitment weren't there compared to UC. Then he visited Colorado and my recollection is he was torn but leaning towards taking it, but Colorado got impatient with the optics and began backing out just as Tennessee was opening up so TN was a godsend for him. But I don't think he was "deciding" between much at that point. He had rejected Purdue and Colorado was moving on. In fact, I think Whit and UC (not to mention us fans) were understandably getting very tired of Lyle's cross country tour drama. UC was done renegotiating with him and by the time he said he also wanted to interview with Tennessee I think Whit was more than ready to let him walk and even considering just firing him straight up.
Yes, I think you're right about the timing of events.
Perhaps he wasn't looking at them side-by-side. But at the end of the day he still rejected Purdue and said yes to Tennessee. With his particular talents, he would have been more successful at Purdue than at Tennessee.
IMHO, he's a decent but not outstanding coach. There's no mistaking the big drop-off in offensive production vs. BK.
I don't think he'd be a good hire for Temple; it's outside the area of his established recruiting connections.
I'd rather take a chance on a new coach whose career is on an upward trajectory than an old one whose career is on a downward trajectory. Butch Jones fits into the latter group.