I'm cognizant of the fact that this is in all certainly a no go but I think there is some merit to adding UCF and USF to the ACC:
Large and growing residential student populations
Large media markets
Football successes for both programs
Opportunity to have 4 programs in Florida
You could format into pods with a Florida school in each pod to increase each school's exposure in the sunshine state. Every school in the conference would be guaranteed an annual road trip to Florida--be it their FL divisional opponent or the FL school in the pod that makes up their division that year:
Pod 1: FSU, Clemson, WF, NC St
Pod 2: Miami, GT, UNC, Duke
Pod 3: USF, VT, UVA, L'ville
Pod 4: UCF, Pitt, BC, Cuse
Rotate the pods into divisions like the 1996-1998 WAC did. With the 8th conference game play any traditional rival not in your pod that year. Examples include:
Miami-FSU
GT-Clemson
UCF-USF
UVA-UNC
Duke-WF
UNC-NC St
If there's an opponent that doesn't appear in the rotation that you'd like to play you can always schedule OOC.
Yea, they don't need four Florida schools any more than they need two New England schools.
(12-08-2018 04:30 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, they don't need four Florida schools any more than they need two New England schools.
What about the annual recruiting trip? That's a value.
The only way those two ever get into the ACC is if the SEC poaches one or both of FSU and Miami and the ACC needs a presence still in Florida
I would do backflips for days if the ACC ever invited USF, but from their perspective I see no value in them doing so, so I do not expect it to happen.
ACC looking to move BB tourn to NYC
looking for eyeballs with ACCN
Conn & Buffalo
(12-08-2018 04:47 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC looking to move BB tourn to NYC
looking for eyeballs with ACCN
Conn & Buffalo
The ACC is already at 14 teams, a lot of mouths to feed, so it's not looking to expand at all, unless an already-established P5 knocks on its door, which isn't happening.
The ACC has zero interest in expanding from the G5 ranks, north or south.
(12-08-2018 04:30 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Yea, they don't need four Florida schools any more than they need two New England schools.
Heck, they don't need 4 North Carolina schools! When almost 1/3rd of your conference comes from one state it's going to cause problems. Take the SWC, now Big 12, for instance.
(12-08-2018 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018 04:47 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC looking to move BB tourn to NYC
looking for eyeballs with ACCN
Conn & Buffalo
The ACC is already at 14 teams, a lot of mouths to feed, so it's not looking to expand at all, unless an already-established P5 knocks on its door, which isn't happening.
The ACC has zero interest in expanding from the G5 ranks, north or south.
The only schools that I could think of for the ACC to grab G5 schools are Navy (Notre Dame purposes), Cincinnati and maybe Memphis.
(12-08-2018 05:21 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018 04:50 PM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018 04:47 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC looking to move BB tourn to NYC
looking for eyeballs with ACCN
Conn & Buffalo
The ACC is already at 14 teams, a lot of mouths to feed, so it's not looking to expand at all, unless an already-established P5 knocks on its door, which isn't happening.
The ACC has zero interest in expanding from the G5 ranks, north or south.
The only schools that I could think of for the ACC to grab G5 schools are Navy (Notre Dame purposes), Cincinnati and maybe Memphis.
No expansion until ND says so. However, since conference regionalism is a thing of the past. I always thought Houston or SMU would be great adds to get into the Texas market if ND would ever jump. Just don't see it in my life time.
The ACC would only consider UCF/USF if they go to 20.
I just assumed this was going to be a case for UCF and USF to join the Big 12.
(12-08-2018 04:47 PM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]ACC looking to move BB tourn to NYC
looking for eyeballs with ACCN
Conn & Buffalo
ACC has New York (Syracuse) and New England (Boston College) covered. We don't need Buffalo and UConn. The only chance for expansion is to add two new states. The 15th school has to be Notre Dame. The 16th school is either Cincinnati or West Virginia to connect Notre Dame.
UCF and USF would make a better case for the Big 12 who has zero presence in FL.
(12-08-2018 04:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm cognizant of the fact that this is in all certainly a no go but I think there is some merit to adding UCF and USF to the ACC:
Large and growing residential student populations
Large media markets
Football successes for both programs
Opportunity to have 4 programs in Florida
You could format into pods with a Florida school in each pod to increase each school's exposure in the sunshine state. Every school in the conference would be guaranteed an annual road trip to Florida--be it their FL divisional opponent or the FL school in the pod that makes up their division that year:
Pod 1: FSU, Clemson, WF, NC St
Pod 2: Miami, GT, UNC, Duke
Pod 3: USF, VT, UVA, L'ville
Pod 4: UCF, Pitt, BC, Cuse
Rotate the pods into divisions like the 1996-1998 WAC did. With the 8th conference game play any traditional rival not in your pod that year. Examples include:
Miami-FSU
GT-Clemson
UCF-USF
UVA-UNC
Duke-WF
UNC-NC St
If there's an opponent that doesn't appear in the rotation that you'd like to play you can always schedule OOC.
Not that I think adding UCF/USF is likely or even a good idea, but here's a better alignment. Pods are more balanced while still retaining one Florida school each. Eight conference games, pods rotate between 2 divisions in a 3-year cycle. Each team has a protected crossover it plays annually and an alternate crossover for years in which the team shares a division with its protected crossover (alternate is played 2 years out of 3).
School: Protected crossover, Alternate crossover
Pod 1
Boston College: Louisville, NC State
Miami-FL: Florida State, Georgia Tech
Syracuse: Pittsburgh, Wake Forest
Virginia Tech: Virginia, Central Florida
Pod 2
Louisville: Boston College, North Carolina
Georgia Tech: Clemson, Miami-FL
Pittsburgh: Syracuse, Duke
Central Florida: South Florida, Virginia Tech
Pod 3
North Carolina: NC State, Louisville
Florida State: Miami-FL, Clemson
Duke: Wake Forest, Pittsburgh
Virginia: Virginia Tech, South Florida
Pod 4
NC State: North Carolina, Boston College
Clemson: Georgia Tech, Florida State
Wake Forest: Duke, Syracuse
South Florida: Central Florida, Virginia
I couldn't swing an annual Duke/GT game, and Clemson/FSU is played every 2 years out of 3 instead of annually, but otherwise the important rivalries have been preserved.
(12-08-2018 04:25 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote: [ -> ]I'm cognizant of the fact that this is in all certainly a no go but I think there is some merit to adding UCF and USF to the ACC:
Large and growing residential student populations
Large media markets
Football successes for both programs
Opportunity to have 4 programs in Florida
You could format into pods with a Florida school in each pod to increase each school's exposure in the sunshine state. Every school in the conference would be guaranteed an annual road trip to Florida--be it their FL divisional opponent or the FL school in the pod that makes up their division that year:
Pod 1: FSU, Clemson, WF, NC St
Pod 2: Miami, GT, UNC, Duke
Pod 3: USF, VT, UVA, L'ville
Pod 4: UCF, Pitt, BC, Cuse
Rotate the pods into divisions like the 1996-1998 WAC did. With the 8th conference game play any traditional rival not in your pod that year. Examples include:
Miami-FSU
GT-Clemson
UCF-USF
UVA-UNC
Duke-WF
UNC-NC St
If there's an opponent that doesn't appear in the rotation that you'd like to play you can always schedule OOC.
What football success has usf had?
(12-08-2018 04:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Cincinnati
Yeah, UC / UCF makes more sense, and if it made
enough sense, the ACC could have done it already.
(12-08-2018 10:20 PM)BruceMcF Wrote: [ -> ] (12-08-2018 04:26 PM)CliftonAve Wrote: [ -> ]Cincinnati
Yeah, UC / UCF makes more sense, and if it made enough sense, the ACC could have done it already.
TRUE... but I agree with Bruce: Cincinnati and UCF both make some sense (as does Temple, Navy, and Memphis), just not enough sense to extend an invitation. For now the most you'll likely see is an occasional game, maybe even a home-and-home series.