Purely in wins and losses (not recruiting, facilities, etc):
What is, year in/year out acceptable? 8-5, with W in a bowl game and an East Ch'ip 1 out of three years, and an C-USA ring 1 out ouf 10? Higher? Lower?
(11-24-2018 06:42 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ]Purely in wins and losses (not recruiting, facilities, etc):
What is, year in/year out acceptable? 8-5, with W in a bowl game and an East Ch'ip 1 out of three years, and an C-USA ring 1 out ouf 10? Higher? Lower?
It would depend on the year. But with 22 seniors coming off of a 5 win season, anything less than a bowl was unacceptable.
Also, it's unacceptable to give up two long TD runs to a team whose QB was no threat to pass.
Getting blown out at Liberty was unacceptable.
Losing to Charlotte and Rice was unacceptable.
We clearly underperformed this year. Next year might be ugly.
Top half finishes. Serious CUSA division contender at least every 4 years. Bowl eligible 50% of the time or better and winning half of Those.
(11-24-2018 07:11 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]Top half finishes. Serious CUSA division contender at least every 4 years. Bowl eligible 50% of the time or better and winning half of Those.
'Preesh. This is what I was looking for.
What do the rest of you think?
(11-24-2018 07:17 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2018 07:11 PM)monarx Wrote: [ -> ]Top half finishes. Serious CUSA division contender at least every 4 years. Bowl eligible 50% of the time or better and winning half of Those.
'Preesh. This is what I was looking for.
What do the rest of you think?
Changes are past due. Acceptable standards for me for football include an APR which is annually in the top 80 percentile of the nation along with commensuarate graduatuation rates within CUSA. On the field, I expect an annual record of 8-4 with the occasional 9 plus wins. A down year for us should be 5 wins and that should occur no more than once every 10 years. I expect to go to a bowl 3 to 4 times every 5 years with one significant bow bid every 5 years. I expect 2 players drafted per year with 3 to 5 draftees once every 5 years.
I expect us to:
-Contend for, and win, C-USA titles.
-To not embarrass ourselves on the field (see Liberty) or off the field (see the Derek Wilder escapade).
-Go to a bowl game more often than not. CUSA has nine (?) bowl agreements. There is no excuse to not find a way to win six or more games and go to one.
CUSA isn’t compleatly awful but it isn’t the SEC either. We should be able to accomplish much more than we have.
Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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(11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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This plus.....Top 5 rated recruiting classes every year with more 3* recruits that2* or no star.
(11-25-2018 06:36 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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This plus.....Top 5 rated recruiting classes every year with more 3* recruits that2* or no star.
You suck at reading comprehension.
(11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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2019:
NSU
UVA
VT
ECU
UAB?
LaTech/So miss?
Marshall
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
MTSU
Who am I missing? Where are our guaranteed six wins?
ETA:
Also, anytime you use always and never you are setting yourself up for disappointment, no matter the subject.
Ask VT about never losing to a 'lesser team.
And about winning the championship every 4 years is something of a pipe dream. Again, ask VT about that, too.
(11-25-2018 03:27 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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2019:
NSU
UVA
VT
ECU
UAB?
LaTech/So miss?
Marshall
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
MTSU
Who am I missing? Where are our guaranteed six wins?
ETA:
Also, anytime you use always and never you are setting yourself up for disappointment, no matter the subject.
Ask VT about never losing to a 'lesser team.
And about winning the championship every 4 years is something of a pipe dream. Again, ask VT about that, too.
Looks like a 2 or 3 win season.
(11-25-2018 03:19 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 06:36 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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This plus.....Top 5 rated recruiting classes every year with more 3* recruits that2* or no star.
You suck at reading comprehension.
Sorry, but I disregarding your statement because to accomplish wins and losses it starts with recruiting. I hope you understand that.
(11-25-2018 03:40 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 03:19 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 06:36 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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This plus.....Top 5 rated recruiting classes every year with more 3* recruits that2* or no star.
You suck at reading comprehension.
Sorry, but I disregarding your statement because to accomplish wins and losses it starts with recruiting. I hope you understand that.
You're also pretty bad with the English language.
One could argue any one of a thousand things would have a direct impact on wins and losses, and that wouldn't be incorrect. But the conversation was directed as it was so as not to end up down the famous Lions Den rabbit hole, and instead focus on the level of success required to make the majority of fans happy.
This board and every board is full of poor grammar and use of the English language. Back to the topic....What do you see as acceptable from a Football team performance perspective ? I want to see more wins than loses each year with some of those wins coming against decent programs from other P5 and G5 conferences. If we are doing that Championships will happen and so will Bowl wins.
Acceptable is the last game of the year being meaningful.
(11-25-2018 06:20 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]This board and every board is full of poor grammar and use of the English language. Back to the topic....What do you see as acceptable from a Football team performance perspective ? I want to see more wins than loses each year with some of those wins coming against decent programs from other P5 and G5 conferences. If we are doing that Championships will happen and so will Bowl wins.
So 7-5 with no other qualification? Interesting.
(11-25-2018 07:56 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 06:20 PM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]This board and every board is full of poor grammar and use of the English language. Back to the topic....What do you see as acceptable from a Football team performance perspective ? I want to see more wins than loses each year with some of those wins coming against decent programs from other P5 and G5 conferences. If we are doing that Championships will happen and so will Bowl wins.
So 7-5 with no other qualification? Interesting.
Like I said ...if we are winning more games than losing and beating decent teams ...Championships and Bowl wins will take care of themselves.
What do you find acceptable ?
(11-25-2018 03:27 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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2019:
NSU
UVA
VT
ECU
UAB?
LaTech/So miss?
Marshall
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
MTSU
Who am I missing? Where are our guaranteed six wins?
ETA:
Also, anytime you use always and never you are setting yourself up for disappointment, no matter the subject.
Ask VT about never losing to a 'lesser team.
And about winning the championship every 4 years is something of a pipe dream. Again, ask VT about that, too.
CUSA is impossible to predict. See: FAU, WKU, Marshall the last three years.
MTSU is the only consistent team in the conference. It isn't asking too much to be on their level.
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News flash: we are a nascent program who were never expected to make it out of the fcs - much to the chagrin of b&m and jmu. The fact that we are playing at the FBS level and beat VT this year is as close to a miracle as you will ever witness. I’m very much pleased by where we are and what awaits in the future. Don’t look a gift horse in the mouth.
(11-25-2018 08:13 PM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 03:27 PM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ] (11-25-2018 02:44 AM)ODU2017 Wrote: [ -> ]Bowl game every year. Our schedule will always be easy enough for 6 wins.
Conference Championship every 4 years.
Occasionally winning against MTSU, ECU, App State, Marshall.
Never losing to Liberty, UNCC or Rice tier schools. Let alone all three in one year and by a 40+ point margin to Liberty.
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2019:
NSU
UVA
VT
ECU
UAB?
LaTech/So miss?
Marshall
FIU
FAU
Charlotte
MTSU
Who am I missing? Where are our guaranteed six wins?
ETA:
Also, anytime you use always and never you are setting yourself up for disappointment, no matter the subject.
Ask VT about never losing to a 'lesser team.
And about winning the championship every 4 years is something of a pipe dream. Again, ask VT about that, too.
CUSA is impossible to predict. See: FAU, WKU, Marshall the last three years.
MTSU is the only consistent team in the conference. It isn't asking too much to be on their level.
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Then I'm confused as I thought you said the schedule would always be easy enough for 6 wins.