Around here, we are justifiably upset at the double standard applied to schools from the AAC vs. the A5-the idea that the schools in our conference are somehow weak simply by virtue of being in the AAC, no matter how many teams from the other P6 conferences we beat.
That said, most complaints I've seen apply specifically to our conference. I don't recall seeing many of these conversations when WMU made the Cotton Bowl in 2016, or when Boise made the Fiesta Bowl in 2014.
So my question is-are we more concerned about complete equity for teams whether they are in the AAC or MAC or MWC? Or are our power conference arguments more an identifier for the American as a power conference (which based on field performance, we really are).
I've reached the conclusion that we simply hold no respect for teams from any non-autonomy conference outside our own. And in fairness, I believe this is justified. We spend on coaching salaries. Every team in the AAC has worked hard to boost its brand, and is willing to spend on capital projects. Every team in the AAC looks to make hires that directly compete against other P6 conferences. Our recruiting is on the whole better. And most of our teams have a history of sustained success in at least one major sport, plus one non-revenue sport that has become a supplemental revenue sport (I.e. UConn women's basketball, ECU baseball, USF women's basketball and also men's soccer), etc. I don't think there's a real argument for any true power conference in the G5 outside our own. Remember NIU? How well they did? Yet they couldn't draw fans even in their best seasons. USF has done less than NIU on the field, we have competition for the entertainment dollar from the Bucs, Rays, and Lightning, and yet we still consistently draw better.
What's your opinion?
(11-01-2018 11:56 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: [ -> ]Around here, we are justifiably upset at the double standard applied to schools from the AAC vs. the A5-the idea that the schools in our conference are somehow weak simply by virtue of being in the AAC, no matter how many teams from the other P6 conferences we beat.
That said, most complaints I've seen apply specifically to our conference. I don't recall seeing many of these conversations when WMU made the Cotton Bowl in 2016, or when Boise made the Fiesta Bowl in 2014.
So my question is-are we more concerned about complete equity for teams whether they are in the AAC or MAC or MWC? Or are our power conference arguments more an identifier for the American as a power conference (which based on field performance, we really are).
I've reached the conclusion that we simply hold no respect for teams from any non-autonomy conference outside our own. And in fairness, I believe this is justified. We spend on coaching salaries. Every team in the AAC has worked hard to boost its brand, and is willing to spend on capital projects. Every team in the AAC looks to make hires that directly compete against other P6 conferences. Our recruiting is on the whole better. And most of our teams have a history of sustained success in at least one major sport, plus one non-revenue sport that has become a supplemental revenue sport (I.e. UConn women's basketball, ECU baseball, USF women's basketball and also men's soccer), etc. I don't think there's a real argument for any true power conference in the G5 outside our own. Remember NIU? How well they did? Yet they couldn't draw fans even in their best seasons. USF has done less than NIU on the field, we have competition for the entertainment dollar from the Bucs, Rays, and Lightning, and yet we still consistently draw better.
What's your opinion?
I guess it depends on the team and the year. In the past I've made arguments for Boise State, TCU, Utah and Tulane (going back to Tommy Bowden and the Shawn King team). 2014 Boise State lost 2 games (to Air Force and Ole Miss). 2016 WMU ran the table. I think it's the kind of team that should get a chance in a playoff (why we need 8 team playoff), but I also think on field clearly weren't at the level of a team like UCF last year.
wmu deserved the auto bid and gave a close game to michigan. the rest of the g5 haven't beaten many a5 programs where on the other hand we've dished out uppercuts to most of them. we are differently the better conference then the rest of the g5 and our top teams can play against most of the top of other conferences. except this year. were kind of bleh this year.
(11-01-2018 11:56 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: [ -> ]Around here, we are justifiably upset at the double standard applied to schools from the AAC vs. the A5-the idea that the schools in our conference are somehow weak simply by virtue of being in the AAC, no matter how many teams from the other P6 conferences we beat.
That said, most complaints I've seen apply specifically to our conference. I don't recall seeing many of these conversations when WMU made the Cotton Bowl in 2016, or when Boise made the Fiesta Bowl in 2014.
So my question is-are we more concerned about complete equity for teams whether they are in the AAC or MAC or MWC? Or are our power conference arguments more an identifier for the American as a power conference (which based on field performance, we really are).
I've reached the conclusion that we simply hold no respect for teams from any non-autonomy conference outside our own. And in fairness, I believe this is justified. We spend on coaching salaries. Every team in the AAC has worked hard to boost its brand, and is willing to spend on capital projects. Every team in the AAC looks to make hires that directly compete against other P6 conferences. Our recruiting is on the whole better. And most of our teams have a history of sustained success in at least one major sport, plus one non-revenue sport that has become a supplemental revenue sport (I.e. UConn women's basketball, ECU baseball, USF women's basketball and also men's soccer), etc. I don't think there's a real argument for any true power conference in the G5 outside our own. Remember NIU? How well they did? Yet they couldn't draw fans even in their best seasons. USF has done less than NIU on the field, we have competition for the entertainment dollar from the Bucs, Rays, and Lightning, and yet we still consistently draw better.
What's your opinion?
We really need to win the ny6 again this year to prove we are the best. That would be 3 total for our conference.
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it just applies to the AAC
Every G4 conferene needs to go fcs or drop football all together.
I want to pick up the P6 narrative and run with it more than anyone, but I don't think our conference is there top to bottom. The reason they say we don't play anybody and the computers don't favor us is the middle to bottom of our conference. Losing to FCS schools, getting blown out by Mizzou, losing to G4 schools, this is not something that A5 teams generally do on the whole. Their conferences are better top to bottom which affects the computers which affects perception.
They have the benefit of being able to schedule down and play each other, but as long as we have duds every year (yes UCF included in our glorious 2015 season), we aren't going to be taken seriously. our 6 through 10 need to play more like 2016 UCF and less like 2015 UCF if we ever actually want the conference to compare to the A5.
I wonder if we could drive our brand up if we just scheduled soft and then everyone was 3-1/4-0 going into conference play. Its basically what the SEC does.
(11-01-2018 03:11 PM)MagicKnightmare Wrote: [ -> ]I want to pick up the P6 narrative and run with it more than anyone, but I don't think our conference is there top to bottom. The reason they say we don't play anybody and the computers don't favor us is the middle to bottom of our conference. Losing to FCS schools, getting blown out by Mizzou, losing to G4 schools, this is not something that A5 teams generally do on the whole. Their conferences are better top to bottom which affects the computers which affects perception.
They have the benefit of being able to schedule down and play each other, but as long as we have duds every year (yes UCF included in our glorious 2015 season), we aren't going to be taken seriously. our 6 through 10 need to play more like 2016 UCF and less like 2015 UCF if we ever actually want the conference to compare to the A5.
I wonder if we could drive our brand up if we just scheduled soft and then everyone was 3-1/4-0 going into conference play. Its basically what the SEC does.
We would be criticized even harsher for doing that. I thinkin order to get acceptance we'd have to schedule and beat 3 P5's OOC along with a G4 win to even be in the talking head conversation.
Or ...stop having our bottom feeders scheduling the p5 and leave that for the better programs. Beating a " power" program is diminished when they wipe the floor with our bottom guys. It looks like 1-1 in the Winn/loss column.
(11-01-2018 11:56 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: [ -> ]other P6 conferences
Actually we are members of something called "The Group of 5"
(11-01-2018 04:02 PM)BullsBEAST Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2018 11:56 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: [ -> ]other P6 conferences
Actually we are members of something called "The Group of 5"
wrong
P6
AAC
ACC
SEC
Big Ten
Big 12
Pac12
+ND
G4
Sunbelt
MAC
CUSA
MWC
+BYU
Try and keep up.
It looks worse if they lose it to the likes of the generic directional Michigan Universities
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(11-01-2018 01:03 PM)Agust Wrote: [ -> ]wmu deserved the auto bid and gave a close game to michigan. the rest of the g5 haven't beaten many a5 programs where on the other hand we've dished out uppercuts to most of them. we are differently the better conference then the rest of the g5 and our top teams can play against most of the top of other conferences. except this year. were kind of bleh this year.
It was Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team really wasn't that good, but was propped up by an early season win against LSU, who turned out to not be that great either. I do not believe WMU deserved a shot that year. I'm confident that half the teams in SoCon, Missouri Valley could turn out a winning record in the MAC. They are not a good league, and usually straddle the line between fbs/fcs. Again, that's an opinion. But I think there are stats to prove it.
(11-01-2018 11:56 AM)bullsbucsfan426 Wrote: [ -> ]Around here, we are justifiably upset at the double standard applied to schools from the AAC vs. the A5-the idea that the schools in our conference are somehow weak simply by virtue of being in the AAC, no matter how many teams from the other P6 conferences we beat.
That said, most complaints I've seen apply specifically to our conference. I don't recall seeing many of these conversations when WMU made the Cotton Bowl in 2016, or when Boise made the Fiesta Bowl in 2014.
So my question is-are we more concerned about complete equity for teams whether they are in the AAC or MAC or MWC? Or are our power conference arguments more an identifier for the American as a power conference (which based on field performance, we really are).
I've reached the conclusion that we simply hold no respect for teams from any non-autonomy conference outside our own. And in fairness, I believe this is justified. We spend on coaching salaries. Every team in the AAC has worked hard to boost its brand, and is willing to spend on capital projects. Every team in the AAC looks to make hires that directly compete against other P6 conferences. Our recruiting is on the whole better. And most of our teams have a history of sustained success in at least one major sport, plus one non-revenue sport that has become a supplemental revenue sport (I.e. UConn women's basketball, ECU baseball, USF women's basketball and also men's soccer), etc. I don't think there's a real argument for any true power conference in the G5 outside our own. Remember NIU? How well they did? Yet they couldn't draw fans even in their best seasons. USF has done less than NIU on the field, we have competition for the entertainment dollar from the Bucs, Rays, and Lightning, and yet we still consistently draw better.
What's your opinion?
I don't give a s*** for any other G5 conference.
Seriously.
NIU, UAB, Directional Michigan (pick your favorite compass point), Boise State, Hawai'i.... Don't care. Couldn't tell you what their records or schedules look like.
And I'm not even an "AAC Power 6" homer.
(11-01-2018 05:43 PM)Coach Bonez89 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2018 01:03 PM)Agust Wrote: [ -> ]wmu deserved the auto bid and gave a close game to michigan. the rest of the g5 haven't beaten many a5 programs where on the other hand we've dished out uppercuts to most of them. we are differently the better conference then the rest of the g5 and our top teams can play against most of the top of other conferences. except this year. were kind of bleh this year.
It was Wisconsin. That Wisconsin team really wasn't that good, but was propped up by an early season win against LSU, who turned out to not be that great either. I do not believe WMU deserved a shot that year. I'm confident that half the teams in SoCon, Missouri Valley could turn out a winning record in the MAC. They are not a good league, and usually straddle the line between fbs/fcs. Again, that's an opinion. But I think there are stats to prove it.
I was thinking about the harbaugh brothers and the Superbowl showdown for some reason. That would've been even cooler if they were the team.
You guys call yourselves P6, yet you will never get in the playoffs and are fighting for the Same access bowl as the rest. Why don’t you prove you are P6 and give up the access bowl?
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