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(11-21-2018 06:55 PM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2018 04:57 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Finally getting some quality Dodgers rumors...

At first glance, SP doesn't seem like the right target but if they could pull off a trade for Kluber? Can you imagine a 1/2/3 of Kershaw/Kluber/Buehler? That could be as good a trio as we've seen since the 90s Braves. Still, not sure I'm fired up about trading valuable assets for pitching. If Gomes is really the target here it would be a pretty meh trade; the Realmuto rumor is much more interesting of course. And this doesn't address 2B.

Anyway, it's something to talk about...

Not sure why the Indians would trade Kluber.

They're listening to offers. I think it boils down to what they need to do to get competitive with Boston/NY/Houston. They're still a good bet to win the Central Division but there's a clear gap between them and the best 3 teams in the AL. A "mini-rebuild" is one way to get over that hump and they should be able to get a nice haul for Kluber.

(11-21-2018 06:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]don't think Puig would get much in return in reality. Pederson same thing.... Verdugo and Young catching would make some sense....

The Cleveland outfield is garbage. If they're going after Gomes either one of Pederson or Puig would probably work. For Kluber it's gonna take more, for sure. (And I admit that a lot of Puig's value is in his athleticism and the perception that he still has potential to do more. Going by WAR he's not all that compelling.)

Who is Young? Never mind; you meant one of the Dodgers young (lower case) catchers, right?

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(11-09-2018 01:40 PM)flyingswoosh Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2018 12:41 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-09-2018 02:33 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-08-2018 01:40 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]saw from Nightengale:
The competition rules committee meets next week with Commissioner Rob Manfred on recommendations for next year involving pitch clocks, shifts and the use of openers

Will be really interesting to see what comes out of it.

What is that again?

Openers refers to the use of a "starter" who is really a reliever mean to face only a few (or maybe even just 1!) batters. Could be followed by a "starter-ish" pitcher, or more relievers. I assume they're going to distinguish between "bullpenning" and "openers" and get into stever's desire to place restrictions on starting pitchers (i.e. minimum number of pitches or batters) but I really hope not. I think this works itself out, and I hate the addition of more rules. Which segues into...

Shifts: Ugh. Are they going to make baseball look like volleyball now, where players have to stay in their zone? That's just b.s. How about we let teams find/cultivate hitters that can hit to all fields?

Totally agree with you. Can we not overreact to one season worth of data (openers/bullpenning) and a few seasons of it for extreme shifting? Pendulums swing all the time and adjustments always come (albeit sometimes more slowly than people want). Let's gather a few more seasons of data and then decide on the types of rules that can benefit the players and the viewers.

i'm about as hardcore nostalgic as you get but this just seems like the natural progression of the game. why in the world haven't they already stopped moneyball? i also hate interleague

(11-21-2018 07:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2018 06:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]don't think Puig would get much in return in reality. Pederson same thing.... Verdugo and Young catching would make some sense....

The Cleveland outfield is garbage. If they're going after Gomes either one of Pederson or Puig would probably work. For Kluber it's gonna take more, for sure. (And I admit that a lot of Puig's value is in his athleticism and the perception that he still has potential to do more. Going by WAR he's not all that compelling.)

Who is Young? Never mind; you meant one of the Dodgers young (lower case) catchers, right?

yes younger catchers.....

Sorry but Cleveland isn't going to trade away anything for Puig- who has only 1 year left of team control..... Pederson sorry but he's just a platoon outfielder with only 2 years of team control. They're looking a lot more long term than what you are thinking.... Gomes still has 3 years left on a very team friendly deal.....

(11-23-2018 06:50 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2018 07:17 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-21-2018 06:36 PM)stever20 Wrote: [ -> ]don't think Puig would get much in return in reality. Pederson same thing.... Verdugo and Young catching would make some sense....

The Cleveland outfield is garbage. If they're going after Gomes either one of Pederson or Puig would probably work. For Kluber it's gonna take more, for sure. (And I admit that a lot of Puig's value is in his athleticism and the perception that he still has potential to do more. Going by WAR he's not all that compelling.)

Who is Young? Never mind; you meant one of the Dodgers young (lower case) catchers, right?

yes younger catchers.....

Sorry but Cleveland isn't going to trade away anything for Puig- who has only 1 year left of team control..... Pederson sorry but he's just a platoon outfielder with only 2 years of team control. They're looking a lot more long term than what you are thinking.... Gomes still has 3 years left on a very team friendly deal.....

It's not like Pederson is some piece of trash. 2.7 fWAR with a 126 wRC+ in 443 PA. vs RHP it was 139 wRC+ in 386 PA.

Steamer is projecting him to put up 2.5 fWAR in only 103 games (he's likely to play at least 20 more games). Steamer is projecting Gomes to put up 1.3 WAR in 90 games (maybe a few too few, but he's coming off 105 and 112 games played). Gomes also makes more money than Pederson is likely to make over the next two seasons. I'm not saying it's a trade the Indians should make, but Pederson for Gomes isn't exactly crazy.

Braves sign Josh Donaldson to a 1-year and brian mcCann.

Not sure what to think of Donaldson. Certainly gives Braves' 3B-of-future Austin Riley a bit more time to get some polishing and ABs, which he certainly could use before the Show, and Carmago can be more of a super-platoon guy to help rest Swanson, Albeis and hopefully an outfielder. But how good can Donaldson be after injuries? Is he really worth what they are paying him, even for 1 year? He's not an MVP anymore.

I like McCann, but understood why he left, and didn't think he was worth what Yankees gave him 5 years ago, and looks like he wasn't. But don't know he has all that much left in tank at age 35 and bad knees. We certainly got a lot out of Suzuki the past 2 years, and now he's gone to Nats (hope he falls off for them! ha, ha!) And it doesn;t really address Braves' lack of catching issue. Ty Flowers, another local guy, like McCann, is certainly n ot the answer, even short term and I was surprised they signed him to a 2 year extension this season.

We need to figure out our pitching and how to bring some of these new kids (and even better, newer ones just below the bigs) this season. And we need to get rid of Teheran and dump him on somebody for a decent trade. Any takers?

Also, I've seen some Greinke-to-Braves rumors. What do ya'll think?

(11-28-2018 04:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I've seen some Greinke-to-Braves rumors. What do ya'll think?

Makes sense that AZ might be looking to move him; lots of rumors they're considering a rebuild. But they're going to want to gut your farm, and then you're on the hook for $100MM the next three years. Still, it would be a huge boost to your starting staff - he'd certainly be your new ace.

I don't know if it gets you to the NLCS, let alone the WS, but it would make ATL the clubhouse leader for NL East favorite. Pending all the moves we keep hearing Philly's gonna make...

(11-28-2018 04:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]But how good can Donaldson be after injuries? Is he really worth what they are paying him, even for 1 year? He's not an MVP anymore.

Surprised to see an NL team sign Donaldson.

(11-28-2018 07:12 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-28-2018 04:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]Also, I've seen some Greinke-to-Braves rumors. What do ya'll think?

Makes sense that AZ might be looking to move him; lots of rumors they're considering a rebuild. But they're going to want to gut your farm, and then you're on the hook for $100MM the next three years. Still, it would be a huge boost to your starting staff - he'd certainly be your new ace.

I don't know if it gets you to the NLCS, let alone the WS, but it would make ATL the clubhouse leader for NL East favorite. Pending all the moves we keep hearing Philly's gonna make...

Thanks, Brookes. I also would be wary of giving too much away for him, and AZ especially would be wanting a lot to make up for that Shelby Miller/Swanson/Inciarte trade. But it could help be a somewhat Maddux-like signing for Braves if it could work out.

I have no idea what is going on in Philly...been rumors but otherwise mostly quiet. I actually wlouldn't ind Philly signing Harper...I think he's good but not great, however a change of scenery would probably do hm good.

I like McCann but I kind of wish Braves had kicked the tires a bit more with Grandal from Dodgers to see if a deal could have been worked out. We need more than a short term solution at Catcher, and he would be better than anything we have. Don't want to deal with Marlins' crazy expectations for realmando. Hope we draft a few catchers of the future in June.


Any thoughts on Donaldson at this point to Braves? Will it mean much more than Markakis' career year for them?

(11-28-2018 07:53 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-28-2018 04:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]But how good can Donaldson be after injuries? Is he really worth what they are paying him, even for 1 year? He's not an MVP anymore.

Surprised to see an NL team sign Donaldson.

That bad, huh? Any elaboration? Anyone who has seen him play more give more insight?

Mets pushing hard to acquire Cano and Diaz from the Mariners. Mariners kicking the tires and top Mets prospects Kelenic and Dunn and/or Jeff McNeil. Don't know exactly what the Mets are willing to offer, but I would not take on Cano's bloated contract, in addition to parting with recent first round picks.

Man, stever's right - Met's just can't get out of their own way.

(11-29-2018 01:08 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Man, stever's right - Met's just can't get out of their own way.

Well, we don't know what they're willing to part with. Cano and Diaz would be obvious upgrades, but I don't think the roster would be strong enough with just that move. They'd need to sign Harper or Machado, or make a few medium sized moves.

The fact they're considering bringing him at all tells me what I need to know. $120MM over 5 years for a guy entering his age 36 season and WAR looking like it's beginning the downward turn you'd expect at his age. Even if he's mildly productive for a couple more years this looks very Pujols-ian.

(11-29-2018 10:06 AM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-28-2018 07:53 PM)Wedge Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-28-2018 04:44 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]But how good can Donaldson be after injuries? Is he really worth what they are paying him, even for 1 year? He's not an MVP anymore.

Surprised to see an NL team sign Donaldson.

That bad, huh? Any elaboration? Anyone who has seen him play more give more insight?

He missed most of the 2018 season with two different injuries. Would be nice to have the ability to DH him some or most of the time, to give him a chance to stay healthy for most of the season. But, the Cardinals also made him an offer, so at least two NL teams think he is worth a one year flyer.

I know stever wouldn't trade an old pair of socks for Yasiel Puig, but apparently the Indians are thinking about it...

John Paul Morosi on MLB dot com Wrote:Discussions continue between the Dodgers and Indians about a blockbuster trade that could result in a two-time Cy Young Award winner joining Clayton Kershaw in the Los Angeles rotation.

Sources say the Dodgers and Indians have discussed various trade proposals in recent days. One such possibility involves Cleveland ace Corey Kluber going to Los Angeles in a deal that includes Yasiel Puig.

The Dodgers would need to add at least one significant player in addition to Puig in order for the Indians to seriously consider moving Kluber, one source said Wednesday. MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal was first to report the talks between the Dodgers and Indians.

In addition to Puig, the Dodgers have catching-prospect depth and would likely be willing to move left-hander Alex Wood and right-handed prospect Yadier Alvarez, who was just recently added to Los Angeles' 40-man roster.

Dodgers don't REALLY need starters, but I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

ETA: One of the reasons I'd do it so quickly is because I'm not sure the numbers make sense. Puig's gonna get about $11MM this year from arbitration, and Wood $9MM. Kluber's salary is nearly $40MM over the next three years but only the first year is guaranteed so his luxury cap hit is (for the moment) VERY low. Cleveland wouldn't be doing its payroll any favors with this deal unless there's a bunch more farm talent included.

(11-30-2018 12:07 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I know stever wouldn't trade an old pair of socks for Yasiel Puig, but apparently the Indians are thinking about it...

John Paul Morosi on MLB dot com Wrote:Discussions continue between the Dodgers and Indians about a blockbuster trade that could result in a two-time Cy Young Award winner joining Clayton Kershaw in the Los Angeles rotation.

Sources say the Dodgers and Indians have discussed various trade proposals in recent days. One such possibility involves Cleveland ace Corey Kluber going to Los Angeles in a deal that includes Yasiel Puig.

The Dodgers would need to add at least one significant player in addition to Puig in order for the Indians to seriously consider moving Kluber, one source said Wednesday. MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal was first to report the talks between the Dodgers and Indians.

In addition to Puig, the Dodgers have catching-prospect depth and would likely be willing to move left-hander Alex Wood and right-handed prospect Yadier Alvarez, who was just recently added to Los Angeles' 40-man roster.

Dodgers don't REALLY need starters, but I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

ETA: One of the reasons I'd do it so quickly is because I'm not sure the numbers make sense. Puig's gonna get about $11MM this year from arbitration, and Wood $9MM. Kluber's salary is nearly $40MM over the next three years but only the first year is guaranteed so his luxury cap hit is (for the moment) VERY low. Cleveland wouldn't be doing its payroll any favors with this deal unless there's a bunch more farm talent included.

I can't understand how Cleveland would benefit from this at all. Dodgers, yeah, but Cleveland, not one bit.

(11-30-2018 12:33 PM)GoodOwl Wrote: [ -> ]

(11-30-2018 12:07 PM)Brookes Owl Wrote: [ -> ]I know stever wouldn't trade an old pair of socks for Yasiel Puig, but apparently the Indians are thinking about it...

John Paul Morosi on MLB dot com Wrote:Discussions continue between the Dodgers and Indians about a blockbuster trade that could result in a two-time Cy Young Award winner joining Clayton Kershaw in the Los Angeles rotation.

Sources say the Dodgers and Indians have discussed various trade proposals in recent days. One such possibility involves Cleveland ace Corey Kluber going to Los Angeles in a deal that includes Yasiel Puig.

The Dodgers would need to add at least one significant player in addition to Puig in order for the Indians to seriously consider moving Kluber, one source said Wednesday. MLB Network insider Ken Rosenthal was first to report the talks between the Dodgers and Indians.

In addition to Puig, the Dodgers have catching-prospect depth and would likely be willing to move left-hander Alex Wood and right-handed prospect Yadier Alvarez, who was just recently added to Los Angeles' 40-man roster.

Dodgers don't REALLY need starters, but I'd do this deal in a heartbeat.

ETA: One of the reasons I'd do it so quickly is because I'm not sure the numbers make sense. Puig's gonna get about $11MM this year from arbitration, and Wood $9MM. Kluber's salary is nearly $40MM over the next three years but only the first year is guaranteed so his luxury cap hit is (for the moment) VERY low. Cleveland wouldn't be doing its payroll any favors with this deal unless there's a bunch more farm talent included.

I can't understand how Cleveland would benefit from this at all. Dodgers, yeah, but Cleveland, not one bit.

Cleveland's outfield is garbage. Puig would be far and away their best OFer. He's reasonably young, he's had a couple of solid seasons since his last round of foul ups, and folks still see him with potential to be better. On the other hand he's not really cheap and he's gonna be a FA after next season. It's not like they wouldn't benefit, but I have to admit that they could probably do better going after younger and/or more controllable/cheaper guys. Maybe the Dodgers throw some of that in? Maybe somebody in Cleveland really loves Puig?

Kluber's salary is far more than 40 MM combined over 3 years... All sorts of escelators were built into his contract. I think it's up to around 52 million now for the 3 years....

As far as why Cleveland would do it. Who knows. That would be one of the dumbest deals ever.... LA's guy must be able to blow some serious mist to these GM's to get them dumb as ****.