10-27-2018, 11:41 AM
Came across this and found it interesting. http://blog.acton.org/archives/104409-ho...razil.html
Its a short article. That's why I didn't post a snippet.
Its a short article. That's why I didn't post a snippet.
(10-27-2018 04:09 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know if the new Catholic pope embraces liberation theology?
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(10-27-2018 04:09 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know if the new Catholic pope embraces liberation theology?
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(10-27-2018 04:09 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know if the new Catholic pope embraces liberation theology?
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(10-29-2018 04:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](10-27-2018 04:09 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know if the new Catholic pope embraces liberation theology?
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He's a self avowed socialist.
Marx was patently not Christian. He viewed religion, especially religions that believe in a better afterlife, as what he called the opiate of the masses. He used that term because people on opium simply don't care about the here and now, unless they are out of opium. Those who believed in a better life to come, weren't motivated to work for revolution. So Marx was an atheist who saw religion as an excuse not to fight for material goods in this life.
Christian Socialism is different in that it pools resources to help those who are disenfranchised (widows and orphans in ancient Near Eastern culture), the sick (who like lepers were frequently quarantined away from populated areas), and the poor (who lacked land and in antiquity were frequently in poor health limiting their value as laborers), and foreigners who were passing through your country (and therefore ignorant of its law and easily taken advantage of).
The Apostle Paul once told the people that "If there were any among you that would not work, let them not eat." He was speaking particularly of those who thought Christ was coming again any moment and used that as an excuse to abandon their fields and trades and do nothing.
So Christian Socialism emphasized pooling resources to take care of those who couldn't work, or had no rights to ownership of property, and who needed the love and care of the community of faith.
That's totally different from the state taking a % of what you earn to redistribute the wealth in ways that permit them to remain in power. And the emphasis is also totally different.
State socialism focuses on property and wealth redistribution. Christian socialism focuses upon the relationship between the believers. They see themselves as a family and what is shared is what is needed for all to live as one. It is not a redistribution of wealth but rather a tangible display of agape love.
Christian Marxism is an oxymoron. Marx denied Christ and forced property redistribution, and Christ denied coercion as well as the emphasis of material goods and commanded love. So the title puts mutually exclusive terms together. You are either a Christian or you are not. You are either a Marxist or you are not. There is no both!
(10-30-2018 05:54 AM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ](10-29-2018 04:23 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ](10-27-2018 04:09 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]Does anyone know if the new Catholic pope embraces liberation theology?
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He's a self avowed socialist.
Marx was patently not Christian. He viewed religion, especially religions that believe in a better afterlife, as what he called the opiate of the masses. He used that term because people on opium simply don't care about the here and now, unless they are out of opium. Those who believed in a better life to come, weren't motivated to work for revolution. So Marx was an atheist who saw religion as an excuse not to fight for material goods in this life.
Christian Socialism is different in that it pools resources to help those who are disenfranchised (widows and orphans in ancient Near Eastern culture), the sick (who like lepers were frequently quarantined away from populated areas), and the poor (who lacked land and in antiquity were frequently in poor health limiting their value as laborers), and foreigners who were passing through your country (and therefore ignorant of its law and easily taken advantage of).
The Apostle Paul once told the people that "If there were any among you that would not work, let them not eat." He was speaking particularly of those who thought Christ was coming again any moment and used that as an excuse to abandon their fields and trades and do nothing.
So Christian Socialism emphasized pooling resources to take care of those who couldn't work, or had no rights to ownership of property, and who needed the love and care of the community of faith.
That's totally different from the state taking a % of what you earn to redistribute the wealth in ways that permit them to remain in power. And the emphasis is also totally different.
State socialism focuses on property and wealth redistribution. Christian socialism focuses upon the relationship between the believers. They see themselves as a family and what is shared is what is needed for all to live as one. It is not a redistribution of wealth but rather a tangible display of agape love.
Christian Marxism is an oxymoron. Marx denied Christ and forced property redistribution, and Christ denied coercion as well as the emphasis of material goods and commanded love. So the title puts mutually exclusive terms together. You are either a Christian or you are not. You are either a Marxist or you are not. There is no both!
Why’d you need to type all that to say he wasn’t a Christian? All you needed were 3 words: He was Jewish.
(10-27-2018 03:38 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]Billy Graham had a much simpler explanation. He said that not everyone has experienced the perceived "winning-side" of Christianity and Capitalism, even to the point where those two things were used against people. When that happens people are going to either:
1. Come up with their own versions of both.
2. Refuse both.
3. Or some combination of those.
These things don't just show up for the hell of it.
(11-05-2018 12:07 AM)jaaaasonl Wrote: [ -> ]There is a growing number of popular modern "evangelicals" who embrace many marxist and/or socialist ideals. What is interesting and curious to me is factoring in those involved in the recent ecumenical movement...which, at its heart, is socialist. (From Rick Warren to Kenneth Copeland and many in-between, the ecumenical movement has swept across some parts of evangelicalism.)
Calvinist/Reformed darling Tim Keller is the most outspoken on the subject of Marxism, but if you watch closely what certain other prominent members of Keller's Gospel Coalition are saying...there is more agreement among them than one might expect...but few are bold enough to openly espouse and accept the label of socialist or marxist.
As a minister myself, I see other trends creeping in as well...such as adopting leftist verbiage and causes into mainstream evangelicalism. At the very least, it is interesting to observe from the "inside."
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