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(10-08-2018 06:26 PM)Stookey57 Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.cbssports.com/college-footba...-steps-in/

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It’s sad days ...for ECU. Good for him.

All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

Wow, Bob Diaco still has a job somewhere

(10-08-2018 07:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

ECU was in every ball game with Ruffin. They could keep up with anybody in the nation.

(10-08-2018 08:50 PM)firmbizzle Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

ECU was in every ball game with Ruffin. They could keep up with anybody in the nation.

In every game, except for every game he coached against Navy. Also "in" every game is wonderful, but he lost every one of them that mattered at the end of the season. Things were never going to be better than they were with Riley as the OC, and even then he still found ways to screw it up. This is not to say that he was an awful coach, he was a pretty decent coach, but it was not a wrong statement to say that ECU would never win a championship with him leading the program. He should have been given another year, but another year wouldn't have changed the fundamental fact that he was not a championship caliber coach. Just because Mo is a flaming pile of crap doesn't make Ruff better than he actually was. He wasn't as good a coach as Skip, Logan, or Bill Lewis, and that's just going back thru the good coaches of my lifetime.

(10-08-2018 07:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

The year he was fired he was 5-7. They were literally a couple plays away from being 8-4 or 9-3, even though they were playing the worst 4th and 5th string quarterbacks (Blake Kemp and James Summers) in history. Lincoln Riley was gone that year.

How come ECU fans never remember the fact that the 1st string quarterback Kurt Benkurt got injured in preseason; the second string quarterback Cody Keith transferred and the third string quarterback Phillip Nelson (the transfer from Minnesota) was ruled ineligible at the start of the season by the NCAA. Yet somehow Ruff was able to rally his team to beat Virginia Tech and almost beat a ranked Florida team in the Swamp. ECU barely missed being bowl eligible for a bowl that year.

Take a look at how close Ruffin was to being 8-4 or 9-3 in 2015, with no Lincoln Riley and no quarterback. If Ruff would have had a healthy Benkurt in 2015 he would have easily won 8 or 9 games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_East_...tball_team

(10-08-2018 08:23 PM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]Wow, Bob Diaco still has a job somewhere

Shocker of the day.

I was at the last game Ruffin coached. The score was tied 16 all and Cincy kicked a long field goal with no time left. I commented something like, "wow that was a close game, both teams played really hard." (I actually felt better at the end of that game than after beating ODU!)

Ruffin had recently been offered a contract extension, which he reportedly turned down. If Cincy had missed that kick, ECU would have been bowl eligible, and Ruffin wouldn't have been canned that year. He might not still be the coach, but we probably wouldn't be in the crap hole we're in now. So I'm blaming this all on the Bearcats.

(10-08-2018 09:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

The year he was fired he was 5-7. They were literally a couple plays away from being 8-4 or 9-3, even though they were playing the worst 4th and 5th string quarterbacks (Blake Kemp and James Summers) in history. Lincoln Riley was gone that year.

How come ECU fans never remember the fact that the 1st string quarterback Kurt Benkurt got injured in preseason; the second string quarterback Cody Keith transferred and the third string quarterback Phillip Nelson (the transfer from Minnesota) was ruled ineligible at the start of the season by the NCAA. Yet somehow Ruff was able to rally his team to beat Virginia Tech and almost beat a ranked Florida team in the Swamp. ECU barely missed being bowl eligible for a bowl that year.

Take a look at how close Ruffin was to being 8-4 or 9-3 in 2015, with no Lincoln Riley and no quarterback. If Ruff would have had a healthy Benkurt in 2015 he would have easily won 8 or 9 games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_East_...tball_team

This. When you're turning in winning seasons regularly, and your starting QB tears his ACL in camp, you get a gimme 5-7 season.

The Ruffin firing was always silly. ECU had jumped up in level of competition. They had some really tough breaks that season and things fell apart a bit. They still were much better on the field and in far more games than they have been since. Fans thought they'd get Lincoln Riley or some amazing up and comer despite the way the university treated Ruffin after one subpar season. ECU is living with the consequences now. A good program that is a shadow of its former self.

The ECU fans that thought they would end up with Lincoln Riley were pretty adorable in retrospect.

I thought Ruffin had a few shortcomings (clock management, lack of discipline among them) but with a good OC and DC he could get the job done. Unfortunately, he either never had a good DC or the offense was so quick to score the defense never got off the field for long. He should have had one more year in Greenville. Whether he would have survived it? Who knows? I do know this though... of the people on this Earth that I've never actually met, there are very few that I hold in higher regard than Ruffin McNeill.

really dumb to fire him. ECU has only gone way down since then. Should have given him a chance to learn as he goes especially when you see who he was replaced with.

(10-09-2018 09:41 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]really dumb to fire him. ECU has only gone way down since then. Should have given him a chance to learn as he goes especially when you see who he was replaced with.

What exactly was he going to “learn” that he hadn’t in 6 years of being an FBS head coach? Here are the metrics for me that are going to determine if you are a championship caliber coach. What’s your record after November, what’s your record in 1 score games, and what’s your record against teams with winning records. Here’s how Ruff stacked up on these

After November: 13-15
1 score games: 12-13
Teams with winning records: 8-27

He deserves credit for one thing, he dominated dogs his record against teams with losing records was 34-7, but you aren’t ever winning a championship of any kind by basically blowing out bad teams, losing to nearly every good team you play,folding down the stretch, and losing a majority of close games. That sample size is not small that’s 6 years and 76 games as ECUs HC.

(10-08-2018 09:36 PM)PirateMarv Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:23 PM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-08-2018 07:14 PM)uhmump95 Wrote: [ -> ]All of Ruffin's shortcomings were fixable. ECU was crazy to fire hom.

I mean the guy had an offensive genius who the now HC at Oklahoma as his OC, the number 1 and 2 WR's on the all time receptions list (along with a young Trevon Brown), and an extremely good college QB in Carden, and managed to go 8-5. Now things would have never reached this level of crappy with him as the HC, but things were never actually going to come together again like they did in 2014, and it wasn't good enough. He should have gotten 2016 to see if he could have made a bowl game, but I think the odds were not in his favor and he'd have been fired anyway.

The year he was fired he was 5-7. They were literally a couple plays away from being 8-4 or 9-3, even though they were playing the worst 4th and 5th string quarterbacks (Blake Kemp and James Summers) in history. Lincoln Riley was gone that year.

How come ECU fans never remember the fact that the 1st string quarterback Kurt Benkurt got injured in preseason; the second string quarterback Cody Keith transferred and the third string quarterback Phillip Nelson (the transfer from Minnesota) was ruled ineligible at the start of the season by the NCAA. Yet somehow Ruff was able to rally his team to beat Virginia Tech and almost beat a ranked Florida team in the Swamp. ECU barely missed being bowl eligible for a bowl that year.

Take a look at how close Ruffin was to being 8-4 or 9-3 in 2015, with no Lincoln Riley and no quarterback. If Ruff would have had a healthy Benkurt in 2015 he would have easily won 8 or 9 games.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2015_East_...tball_team

Post of the year! And I would also add that if he was still the coach we would not lose to JMU or A&T.

(10-09-2018 11:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 09:41 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]really dumb to fire him. ECU has only gone way down since then. Should have given him a chance to learn as he goes especially when you see who he was replaced with.

What exactly was he going to “learn” that he hadn’t in 6 years of being an FBS head coach? Here are the metrics for me that are going to determine if you are a championship caliber coach. What’s your record after November, what’s your record in 1 score games, and what’s your record against teams with winning records. Here’s how Ruff stacked up on these

After November: 13-15
1 score games: 12-13
Teams with winning records: 8-27

He deserves credit for one thing, he dominated dogs his record against teams with losing records was 34-7, but you aren’t ever winning a championship of any kind by basically blowing out bad teams, losing to nearly every good team you play,folding down the stretch, and losing a majority of close games. That sample size is not small that’s 6 years and 76 games as ECUs HC.

not to be rude or blunt but ECU isn't a championship caliber football program. 2 chips in the last 40 yrs with 9-5 records in 2008-9 under Skip Holtz, a very good coach. Even Holtz was 38-27. Ruff was 42-34. Scottie seems to be improving the team but he they had to go into the complete toilet first.

Point is holding a coach to be championship caliber when the program itself is not is a very high standard. I think ECU should have given him another year since his starting QB got injured preseason.

(10-09-2018 11:56 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 11:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 09:41 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]really dumb to fire him. ECU has only gone way down since then. Should have given him a chance to learn as he goes especially when you see who he was replaced with.

What exactly was he going to “learn” that he hadn’t in 6 years of being an FBS head coach? Here are the metrics for me that are going to determine if you are a championship caliber coach. What’s your record after November, what’s your record in 1 score games, and what’s your record against teams with winning records. Here’s how Ruff stacked up on these

After November: 13-15
1 score games: 12-13
Teams with winning records: 8-27

He deserves credit for one thing, he dominated dogs his record against teams with losing records was 34-7, but you aren’t ever winning a championship of any kind by basically blowing out bad teams, losing to nearly every good team you play,folding down the stretch, and losing a majority of close games. That sample size is not small that’s 6 years and 76 games as ECUs HC.

not to be rude or blunt but ECU isn't a championship caliber football program. 2 chips in the last 40 yrs with 9-5 records in 2008-9 under Skip Holtz, a very good coach. Even Holtz was 38-27. Ruff was 42-34. Scottie seems to be improving the team but he they had to go into the complete toilet first.

Point is holding a coach to be championship caliber when the program itself is not is a very high standard. I think ECU should have given him another year since his starting QB got injured preseason.

I think he meant conference championships. Either way, you of all people should know that all it takes for a team to be of championship caliber is to win championships. We did, now we don't. You, like a couple of the Houston fans on here, would be posting the same thing if Huepel started losing with reckless abandon.

(10-09-2018 12:11 PM)CoastalJuan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 11:56 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 11:35 AM)b0ndsj0ns Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-09-2018 09:41 AM)Knights_of_UCF Wrote: [ -> ]really dumb to fire him. ECU has only gone way down since then. Should have given him a chance to learn as he goes especially when you see who he was replaced with.

What exactly was he going to “learn” that he hadn’t in 6 years of being an FBS head coach? Here are the metrics for me that are going to determine if you are a championship caliber coach. What’s your record after November, what’s your record in 1 score games, and what’s your record against teams with winning records. Here’s how Ruff stacked up on these

After November: 13-15
1 score games: 12-13
Teams with winning records: 8-27

He deserves credit for one thing, he dominated dogs his record against teams with losing records was 34-7, but you aren’t ever winning a championship of any kind by basically blowing out bad teams, losing to nearly every good team you play,folding down the stretch, and losing a majority of close games. That sample size is not small that’s 6 years and 76 games as ECUs HC.

not to be rude or blunt but ECU isn't a championship caliber football program. 2 chips in the last 40 yrs with 9-5 records in 2008-9 under Skip Holtz, a very good coach. Even Holtz was 38-27. Ruff was 42-34. Scottie seems to be improving the team but he they had to go into the complete toilet first.

Point is holding a coach to be championship caliber when the program itself is not is a very high standard. I think ECU should have given him another year since his starting QB got injured preseason.

I think he meant conference championships. Either way, you of all people should know that all it takes for a team to be of championship caliber is to win championships. We did, now we don't. You, like a couple of the Houston fans on here, would be posting the same thing if Huepel started losing with reckless abandon.

like I said ECU has won 2 conf championships in the last 40 yrs, both of which were 9-5 teams under Skip. Ruff actually had one of ECU's best seasons in his 10-3 year. My opinion was just that he was cut too early and held to a standard that is nearly impossible to reach for an ECU head coach.

I get ECU fans wanting a new coach, but to say he simply isn't a championship caliber coach is silly when there have only been two championship seasons in the modern era. ECU would be a million times better with Ruff right now than Montgomery.