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Self explanatory. If UCF runs the table again and gets IN the 4 team playoff, does anyone know if the G5 then is allowed an additional team in the NY6 as the top remaining G5 champ? If so, a link would be appreciated.

That’s rhetorical because UCF will not be in the playoff unless no p5 has less than 2 losses.

So not happening.

The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

(10-02-2018 03:40 PM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]That’s rhetorical because UCF will not be in the playoff unless no p5 has less than 2 losses.

So not happening.

You're probably right. But I'm just curious on IF they DO. Thanks.

(10-02-2018 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

That answers my question. Thanks.

(10-02-2018 03:40 PM)Eldonabe Wrote: [ -> ]That’s rhetorical because UCF will not be in the playoff unless no p5 has less than 2 losses.

So not happening.

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(10-02-2018 03:59 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

That answers my question. Thanks.

There is a hypothetical which would likely never be possible. If UCF were to finish with one loss and still get picked as one of the four semifinalists, I believe if that loss kept them out of the AAC championship game that the highest ranked G5 conference champion would still get the automatic berth.

But that would require that there weren't enough one or two loss teams ranked ahead of UCF. What are the odds of that?

(10-02-2018 05:42 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018 03:59 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

That answers my question. Thanks.

There is a hypothetical which would likely never be possible. If UCF were to finish with one loss and still get picked as one of the four semifinalists, I believe if that loss kept them out of the AAC championship game that the highest ranked G5 conference champion would still get the automatic berth.

But that would require that there weren't enough one or two loss teams ranked ahead of UCF. What are the odds of that?

I expect that even if it's possible for the committee to feel compelled to put an undefeated Go5 school in the CFP, due to the weakness of the A5 4th or 3rd & 4th picks available, a one-loss Go5 school just isn't getting into the CFP.

And it is by no means certain that they'd feel compelled to do justice to an undefeated Go5 champion that ought to be placed somewhere in the top four. Talking themselves into "they are good, but there are flaws in their resume, put them 5th" is the easy cop-out, given the flack that the supporters of the "slighted" A5 school and the conference from which it came would generate.

Even if there were only two or three one/two loss A5 teams, I expect the committee would use the eyeball test to pick out one or two three loss A5 team that had three "stronger losses" than the single loss of a highly ranked Go5 single-loss non-champion, and rank it/them above the highly ranked Go5 single-loss non-champion, so there'd be two Go5 schools in the NY6 ... but not one in the CFP.

(10-02-2018 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

The Univ. of Cincinnati will get the bid with a 12 & 1 record.

In a fairytale world where UCF somehow gets into the playoffs, that is still the G5 spot and nobody else gets in. In the real world, I don't think that 2 G5 teams will ever be ranked high enough to both be in and if they are, they will pull the ole Boise/TCU move and make the 2 teams play each other.

(10-03-2018 06:17 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote: [ -> ]In a fairytale world where UCF somehow gets into the playoffs, that is still the G5 spot and nobody else gets in.

I think it is indeterminate, the rules don't directly speak to the situation. My guess would be that as Ken said above, if a G5 team somehow made the playoffs without being a conference champ, then the top-rated G5 champ would in fact go to an Access Bowl.

What I'm not sure about is if the G5 team that goes to the playoffs is a champ. IMO that could go either way: On one hand, the rules say that the highest-rated G5 champ will go to an *access* bowl, and the playoffs aren't an access bowl, which implies that the next-highest G5 champ would go to an access bowl. On the other, it says that the *highest-rated* G5 champ goes to an access bowl, and if the highest-rated champ is in the playoffs, then no other G5 champ would go to an access bowl because they wouldn't be "highest rated".

I just don't know.

(10-03-2018 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 06:17 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote: [ -> ]In a fairytale world where UCF somehow gets into the playoffs, that is still the G5 spot and nobody else gets in.

I think it is indeterminate, the rules don't directly speak to the situation. My guess would be that as Ken said above, if a G5 team somehow made the playoffs without being a conference champ, then the top-rated G5 champ would in fact go to an Access Bowl.

What I'm not sure about is if the G5 team that goes to the playoffs is a champ. IMO that could go either way: On one hand, the rules say that the highest-rated G5 champ will go to an *access* bowl, and the playoffs aren't an access bowl, which implies that the next-highest G5 champ would go to an access bowl. On the other, it says that the *highest-rated* G5 champ goes to an access bowl, and if the highest-rated champ is in the playoffs, then no other G5 champ would go to an access bowl because they wouldn't be "highest rated".

I just don't know.

I could see the confusion. Again, I don't think we are ever worried about this being a real situation and I don't think the committee is either, but my feeling is that if push came to shove, there would not be another G5 in the NY6 bowls if by some miracle a G5 were in the playoffs.

(10-03-2018 10:10 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 06:17 AM)MagicKnightmare Wrote: [ -> ]In a fairytale world where UCF somehow gets into the playoffs, that is still the G5 spot and nobody else gets in.

I think it is indeterminate, the rules don't directly speak to the situation. My guess would be that as Ken said above, if a G5 team somehow made the playoffs without being a conference champ, then the top-rated G5 champ would in fact go to an Access Bowl.

What I'm not sure about is if the G5 team that goes to the playoffs is a champ. IMO that could go either way: On one hand, the rules say that the highest-rated G5 champ will go to an *access* bowl, and the playoffs aren't an access bowl, which implies that the next-highest G5 champ would go to an access bowl. On the other, it says that the *highest-rated* G5 champ goes to an access bowl, and if the highest-rated champ is in the playoffs, then no other G5 champ would go to an access bowl because they wouldn't be "highest rated".

I just don't know.

I could see the confusion. Again, I don't think we are ever worried about this being a real situation and I don't think the committee is either, but my feeling is that if push came to shove, there would not be another G5 in the NY6 bowls if by some miracle a G5 were in the playoffs.

I think the CFP should issue a clarification about this now, before it ever happens, because that will remove the suspicion of bias that will exist if they have to make something up on the fly.

Things have a way of happening when they aren't expected. E.g., remember a couple years ago when the CFP had to hastily issue a procedure for handling Navy as the potential G5 Access Bowl team because their game with Army was going to be played after the last scheduled CFP meeting. That was clownish.

UCF will have a very strong argument to get in if they go undefeated again. But strong argument or not, they won’t get in unless there are many 2 loss teams.


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(10-03-2018 10:38 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]UCF will have a very strong argument to get in if they go undefeated again.

Why? It's not that big of an accomplishment to go unbeaten versus an easy schedule. We don't know if UCF's schedule will end up being easy or not, but if it is, they will likely not deserve a playoff spot.

(10-03-2018 10:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 10:38 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]UCF will have a very strong argument to get in if they go undefeated again.

Why? It's not that big of an accomplishment to go unbeaten versus an easy schedule. We don't know if UCF's schedule will end up being easy or not, but if it is, they will likely not deserve a playoff spot.

Horrible assumption. Tell me, how many G5s have gone undefeated in the past decade? By your presumption, they all have horrible schedules....... although most other G5 conferences are much more horrible than the AAC........ but if it's so easy, why is this not a yearly occurance?

(10-02-2018 03:20 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote: [ -> ]Self explanatory. If UCF runs the table again and gets IN the 4 team playoff, does anyone know if the G5 then is allowed an additional team in the NY6 as the top remaining G5 champ? If so, a link would be appreciated.

My understanding is no---but I do not think its ever going to be an issue the G5 needs to worry about.

(10-03-2018 11:46 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 10:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 10:38 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]UCF will have a very strong argument to get in if they go undefeated again.

Why? It's not that big of an accomplishment to go unbeaten versus an easy schedule. We don't know if UCF's schedule will end up being easy or not, but if it is, they will likely not deserve a playoff spot.

Horrible assumption. Tell me, how many G5s have gone undefeated in the past decade? By your presumption, they all have horrible schedules....... although most other G5 conferences are much more horrible than the AAC........ but if it's so easy, why is this not a yearly occurance?

According to wikipedia a 25 game win streak would be tied for the 22nd longest in FBS history. How could you NOT let them in?

(10-03-2018 11:46 AM)otown Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 10:55 AM)quo vadis Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-03-2018 10:38 AM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]UCF will have a very strong argument to get in if they go undefeated again.

Why? It's not that big of an accomplishment to go unbeaten versus an easy schedule. We don't know if UCF's schedule will end up being easy or not, but if it is, they will likely not deserve a playoff spot.

Horrible assumption. Tell me, how many G5s have gone undefeated in the past decade? By your presumption, they all have horrible schedules......

I made no such presumption. Even in the case of UCF this year, I said we don't know you whether the schedule will be horrible or not.

So far it has been, but there are many games left to play so we will have to see.

(10-02-2018 05:42 PM)ken d Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018 03:59 PM)asucrutch23 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2018 03:52 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]The rule states the G5 highest ranked champion gets a NY6 bid. CFP = NY6. No other guaranteed bids. The G5 team would need to be ranked high enough. 2009 season Fiesta Bowl (BCS with similar rule) - undefeated Boise St from WAC vs undefeated TCU from MWC. Boise St was #6 and TCU was #3. NY6 would likely require similar circumstances.

That answers my question. Thanks.

There is a hypothetical which would likely never be possible. If UCF were to finish with one loss and still get picked as one of the four semifinalists, I believe if that loss kept them out of the AAC championship game that the highest ranked G5 conference champion would still get the automatic berth.

But that would require that there weren't enough one or two loss teams ranked ahead of UCF. What are the odds of that?

Umm, pretty sure that it's not possible for a team to be picked to play for the national championship when they haven't won their conference or even their own division in their conference. That would just be silly.