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Looks like Liberty is exploring switching to other options for the uniforms. I would prefer 1)Jump man 2) Underarmor 3) Adidas

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...ernick-ad/
(09-07-2018 11:09 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Liberty is exploring switching to other options for the uniforms. I would prefer 1)Jump man 2) Underarmor 3) Adidas

https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/sec-fo...ernick-ad/

We won't drop Nike. First off good uniforms help recruiting and Nike makes the best. So unless LU doesn't want that edge we aren't dropping sh*t.
I am okay with Liberty looking around. I am disappointed with Nike now but I won't do anything crazy like burn my clothes. I don't have a problem with what Jerry said in the interview. If we switch, I think Under Armor would be the next best.
Jr. made another decision to wade into political correctness territory, which is a mistake that he often makes. If he would have just left well enough alone LU would have been better off. A black Pro athlete took a strong position that has merit although some of his actions may have been unwise. Young, smart college black athletes being recruited will notice and remember and all recruiters competing with LU will remind those athletes of Jr. announcement. Where is the wisdom by Jr. in taking his position and how does it benefit LU? A wiser move would have been to investigate other apparel companies and make the change rather without the grandstanding. This national media recognition keeps LU in a negative spotlight that hampers the university. Another case of speaking before thinking and having consequences by Jr.
(09-08-2018 09:09 AM)NewTimes Wrote: [ -> ]Jr. made another decision to wade into political correctness territory, which is a mistake that he often makes. If he would have just left well enough alone LU would have been better off. A black Pro athlete took a strong position that has merit although some of his actions may have been unwise. Young, smart college black athletes being recruited will notice and remember and all recruiters competing with LU will remind those athletes of Jr. announcement. Where is the wisdom by Jr. in taking his position and how does it benefit LU? A wiser move would have been to investigate other apparel companies and make the change rather without the grandstanding. This national media recognition keeps LU in a negative spotlight that hampers the university. Another case of speaking before thinking and having consequences by Jr.

Kaepernick’s position is not strong and neither are these other athletes who are dumb enough to not realize that they are destroying their opportunities. Kaepernick still doesn’t have a valuable position on his pro black position and a pro black position isn’t for the benefit for so call blacks in general. These are just whiny men who doesn’t fully look for facts but just feelings. So Jr. will always be negated just because he doesn’t support this Marxist agenda because he is conservative. He doesn’t have to say a word and he’ll still obtain consequences and the school. That’s why these platforms wants interviews so they can twist and criticize Jr. words; they have nothing else that is valid. The Nike move with Kaepernick is a solid example of a company selling out and hoping to gain from the left controlled media and it will backfire jus like others who did the same. Kaepernick is just a pawn for the constant Marxist agenda and will ride on the victimization slave mentality of black and other leftists who believe America is the worst country ever. Jr. has the right to make a stance against this and it will cause issues on mainstream and even recruiting. That shows that these platforms and the youth/young adults are simple minded and brainwashed by cultural Marxism. This is not a speaking before thinking situation but a thinking and speaking against the corruptive system in which we live in and is somewhat ignored. If you look back in history, these are the same steps in which the masses had accepted and caused more harm than an incident that involves only sports. Let’s not pretend that Jr. is making a foolish mistake and the other side is justified when they are deceiving the masses with ideology that will lead to communism. And if one believes this is not happening and has nothing to do with the Nike situation, then the deception is definitely at work.

P.S. I’m not saying that I fully support Jr. position when it comes to politics, but the biggest threat to the U.S. and the entire western civilization is Marxism/Communism. This is what Nike,Kaepernick and all the other figures behind the scenes are promoting(attempting to recharge a black power movement like the 60’s which was pro Marxism). I am saying all this and I am a so call black man. I say this because the term black is very misinterpreted because the term black and white when describing people is a social construct that devalues humanity and tribes/races. Because I am dark skinned like someone else doesn’t mean I have a connection with him based only on that fact. Just like a German and an Irishman have different cultures although their skin tone may be similar.
Soooo y'all are supportive of losing recruits? Swag matters if you dont think so get with the times. And no UA and Adidas are not remotely comparable.
(09-08-2018 10:24 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]Soooo y'all are supportive of losing recruits? Swag matters if you dont think so get with the times.

True and if getting top recruits is more important than the morals and mission of the school, then we might as well turn into a Baylor or TCU(although we took some staff from Baylor). We are suppose to be free market, where if you don’t believe in what a company represents, you fine another company who you can relate to with beliefs. I know Noke, Adidas and others are the major markets, but once upon a time they weren’t. So I wouldn’t be surprised if LU find something else. Also not every recruit is for only flashy things. There are athletes out there who are good that do recognize that the NFL is not the only option to attend college. Does Kaepernick, this so call movement or Nike supports focusing on gaining an education and using that knowledge to be innovative? No. They actually don’t care about who they claim that they represent. They know they can use the emotion of factions of people who they hope can get them money. That’s what this is about; money,division and chaos.
(09-08-2018 10:33 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2018 10:24 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]Soooo y'all are supportive of losing recruits? Swag matters if you dont think so get with the times.

True and if getting top recruits is more important than the morals and mission of the school, then we might as well turn into a Baylor or TCU(although we took some staff from Baylor). We are suppose to be free market, where if you don’t believe in what a company represents, you fine another company who you can relate to with beliefs. I know Noke, Adidas and others are the major markets, but once upon a time they weren’t. So I wouldn’t be surprised if LU find something else. Also not every recruit is for only flashy things. There are athletes out there who are good that do recognize that the NFL is not the only option to attend college. Does Kaepernick, this so call movement or Nike supports focusing on gaining an education and using that knowledge to be innovative? No. They actually don’t care about who they claim that they represent. They know they can use the emotion of factions of people who they hope can get them money. That’s what this is about; money,division and chaos.

I hate when Libery people do this. Not EVERYTHING is about morals, religion and defending LU's code of honor. In fact I would say some LU people go out of their way and make it bigger than what it is just like what's happening here.

Nike has an ad campaign centered about a dude that kneels and isn't supportive of all cops. Who cares, it's business. We like nice equipment they provide it that's the end of our relationship.
Keep the discussion about Liberty and Nike, not politics. There is a political forum for those discussions.

As for recruits, I think it is incredibly shortsighted to pick a school based on "swag" and not the coaching, quality of opponents, exposure, facilities, academics, geography, etc. I think only the top recruits will be picky about the shoe brand since they can be picky with every team recruiting them.

If it hurts Liberty to change providers, then it would be ironic given the marketing campaign, "stand for something even if it costs you everything". Good coaching will overcome shoe brands.
(09-08-2018 10:46 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Keep the discussion about Liberty and Nike, not politics. There is a political forum for those discussions.

As for recruits, I think it is incredibly shortsighted to pick a school based on "swag" and not the coaching, quality of opponents, exposure, facilities, academics, geography, etc. I think only the top recruits will be picky about the shoe brand since they can be picky with every team recruiting them.

If it hurts Liberty to change providers, then it would be ironic given the marketing campaign, "stand for something even if it costs you everything". Good coaching will overcome shoe brands.

Swag isnt a main factor but it is one. Why do you think all FBS schools have so many uniform's. Can't impress your friends when they roll up wearing UNC custom shoes and you have UA......Yeah...... Remember these are young people they care about the glitz and glam they aren't old.
I actually think Adidas is getting closer and closer to Nike, in quality and popularity. Under Armour is descending in popularity from my perspective.
I personally, excluding the politics, wish we would go with the Jordan brand Jump Man. No body really has it and the Jordan brand is popular with the kids we are recruiting. Idk of any other G5 team that is with them only P5 Michigan.
The Jordan brand is still Nike from my understanding. They are aligned with Michigan, UNC, Florida, and Oklahoma. It appears very exclusive and not seemingly interested in Liberty.
(09-08-2018 01:56 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]The Jordan brand is still Nike from my understanding. They are aligned with Michigan, UNC, Florida, and Oklahoma. It appears very exclusive and not seemingly interested in Liberty.

Yeah I think it is Nike but also not.
(09-08-2018 10:46 AM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]Keep the discussion about Liberty and Nike, not politics. There is a political forum for those discussions.

As for recruits, I think it is incredibly shortsighted to pick a school based on "swag" and not the coaching, quality of opponents, exposure, facilities, academics, geography, etc. I think only the top recruits will be picky about the shoe brand since they can be picky with every team recruiting them.

If it hurts Liberty to change providers, then it would be ironic given the marketing campaign, "stand for something even if it costs you everything". Good coaching will overcome shoe brands.

If you’d like, but that’s a key component of a college or university even in sports. We can attempt to run away from it or ignore it, but it’s still going to be there. Just like sports, politics is a business and even religion (man made creation that is ‘supposedly’ connected with faith).
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I hate when Libery people do this. Not EVERYTHING is about morals, religion and defending LU's code of honor. In fact I would say some LU people go out of their way and make it bigger than what it is just like what's happening here.

Nike has an ad campaign centered about a dude that kneels and isn't supportive of all cops. Who cares, it's business. We like nice equipment they provide it that's the end of our relationship.
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The Irony of this is that the NCAA does not even have any kneelers because NCAA keeps players in the lockerroom until the anthem is over. Nike in the NCAA has nothing to do with Nike in the NFL.

I would be worried not about Jr's politics but the fact that a University president is micromanaging athletics to the point of choosing who makes the football teams uniforms. Its the Athletic directors job to decide these things and do that at the end of the season not in september.
(09-08-2018 01:59 PM)Ewglenn Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2018 01:56 PM)GE and MTS Wrote: [ -> ]The Jordan brand is still Nike from my understanding. They are aligned with Michigan, UNC, Florida, and Oklahoma. It appears very exclusive and not seemingly interested in Liberty.

Yeah I think it is Nike but also not.

Nike makes Jordans.....
What Jr. said about Nike was actually reasonable, especially since LU has a contract with Nike playing the wait and see how everything pans out while being supportive of our cops and military. Hpwever, We're not going to lose recruits over the brand of our uniforms Under Armor unis hasn't hurt Auburn or Norte Dame, just as Adidas unis hasn't hurt Miami or Nebraska. On top of that, if a recruit really got mad that we dropped Nike, he's probably not a good fit for LU anyway. But I don't think most kids are putting that much thought into it, and no kid is choosing one school over another because of a shoe.
(09-08-2018 10:14 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2018 09:09 AM)NewTimes Wrote: [ -> ]Jr. made another decision to wade into political correctness territory, which is a mistake that he often makes. If he would have just left well enough alone LU would have been better off. A black Pro athlete took a strong position that has merit although some of his actions may have been unwise. Young, smart college black athletes being recruited will notice and remember and all recruiters competing with LU will remind those athletes of Jr. announcement. Where is the wisdom by Jr. in taking his position and how does it benefit LU? A wiser move would have been to investigate other apparel companies and make the change rather without the grandstanding. This national media recognition keeps LU in a negative spotlight that hampers the university. Another case of speaking before thinking and having consequences by Jr.

Kaepernick’s position is not strong and neither are these other athletes who are dumb enough to not realize that they are destroying their opportunities. Kaepernick still doesn’t have a valuable position on his pro black position and a pro black position isn’t for the benefit for so call blacks in general. These are just whiny men who doesn’t fully look for facts but just feelings. So Jr. will always be negated just because he doesn’t support this Marxist agenda because he is conservative. He doesn’t have to say a word and he’ll still obtain consequences and the school. That’s why these platforms wants interviews so they can twist and criticize Jr. words; they have nothing else that is valid. The Nike move with Kaepernick is a solid example of a company selling out and hoping to gain from the left controlled media and it will backfire jus like others who did the same. Kaepernick is just a pawn for the constant Marxist agenda and will ride on the victimization slave mentality of black and other leftists who believe America is the worst country ever. Jr. has the right to make a stance against this and it will cause issues on mainstream and even recruiting. That shows that these platforms and the youth/young adults are simple minded and brainwashed by cultural Marxism. This is not a speaking before thinking situation but a thinking and speaking against the corruptive system in which we live in and is somewhat ignored. If you look back in history, these are the same steps in which the masses had accepted and caused more harm than an incident that involves only sports. Let’s not pretend that Jr. is making a foolish mistake and the other side is justified when they are deceiving the masses with ideology that will lead to communism. And if one believes this is not happening and has nothing to do with the Nike situation, then the deception is definitely at work.

P.S. I’m not saying that I fully support Jr. position when it comes to politics, but the biggest threat to the U.S. and the entire western civilization is Marxism/Communism. This is what Nike,Kaepernick and all the other figures behind the scenes are promoting(attempting to recharge a black power movement like the 60’s which was pro Marxism). I am saying all this and I am a so call black man. I say this because the term black is very misinterpreted because the term black and white when describing people is a social construct that devalues humanity and tribes/races. Because I am dark skinned like someone else doesn’t mean I have a connection with him based only on that fact. Just like a German and an Irishman have different cultures although their skin tone may be similar.
Tell what you just stated to the black family whose son was just shot who was in his own apartment when a white female officer went into the wrong apartment (thinking it was hers) found the "stranger' (who was in his own home) and was then shot and killed.

As much as you may want to paint Jr as the victim here, no reasonable person can deduce that LU would have been better off if Jr had negotiated with Nike without the media blare. That was a choice he made. A very poor and unwise choice.
(09-08-2018 10:33 AM)cruzan_flame13 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-08-2018 10:24 AM)Curtisc83 Wrote: [ -> ]Soooo y'all are supportive of losing recruits? Swag matters if you dont think so get with the times.

True and if getting top recruits is more important than the morals and mission of the school, then we might as well turn into a Baylor or TCU(although we took some staff from Baylor). We are suppose to be free market, where if you don’t believe in what a company represents, you fine another company who you can relate to with beliefs. I know Noke, Adidas and others are the major markets, but once upon a time they weren’t. So I wouldn’t be surprised if LU find something else. Also not every recruit is for only flashy things. There are athletes out there who are good that do recognize that the NFL is not the only option to attend college. Does Kaepernick, this so call movement or Nike supports focusing on gaining an education and using that knowledge to be innovative? No. They actually don’t care about who they claim that they represent. They know they can use the emotion of factions of people who they hope can get them money. That’s what this is about; money,division and chaos.
This divisive rhetoric has got to end if LU wants to move beyond it's "mission" as a university and a sports conference. Now before the uproar begins, I put mission in quotes. The reason, it's a belittling and limiting position to profess one has a view or vision greater than another. One's mission is truly 100% within. It's a one-on-one within oneself to achieve the inner development. Can the school be recognized like ND and BYU and their "mission"? Of course. But when political statements are made that inflame a large segment of the population by LU admins, it's divisive and derogatory. I wish it wasn't but it is. It's why I had to resign as a LU mod as I have a consciousness that prodded me to do the right thing. I enjoyed being a mod. It was fun.

I have been likely the toughest to criticize the LU admins when they have made bone head statements or unwise positions. I want LU to succeed. I attended games when they first began at City Stadium in the 1970s. I'm guessing many on this board were yet to be conceived. And I've been stalked by a LU fan who gets his jollies leaving me neg rep points when messages such as this appear.

I implore all LU fans to rise above the cesspool pit of wallowing in misleading dogma spewed by the ultra right wing media and don't drink the kool-aid of the ultra-left with their "we all gonna perish" moniker. Be a free and independent thinker. We all don't have to agree. But don't drag down LU into rightetous territory that will harm the good will of the school and it's perception by others. And if some do, there be less of a need to expand the stadium beyond 25k, and fannies in those seats will only be the LU faithful. Not gaining fans and supporters of the university because of poor policies and actions of it's admins and leaders.
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