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But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

Not to rain on the getting rid of Wallace train, but this is basically this guys assumption what he thinks is going on.

Also the Martin trade really doesn't say anything at all. Everyone knew the Grizz had to make a trade at some point in order to stay under the tax line with Mack signing a 1 year deal.

Also most people knew the Grizz were going to do something about Davis and McLemore.

I want Wallace gone as much as the next guy, but these moves don't really say anything other than Grizz are wanting to go all in on Grit n Grind next year.

This article makes absolutely no sense.

Why would anything think Chris Wallace is incapable of these moves? The guy has worked in the NBA for twenty years. He knows how to make money moves and he’s friends with everyone in the NBA.

I guess the writer doesn’t when Wallace did deals selling the Grizz cap space for cash and assets circa 2008 or trading for Zach Randolph for an expiring but instead just doing a deal for Darko for ZBo, he traded Darko to the Knicks, got assets and expiring Quentin Richardson, and traded Richardson to LA for ZBo.

Wallace knows how to make deals. I hope the comments were more about being tongue-in-cheek about a “ghost GM”.

So the Grizz will fire Fizdale no problem, but they won’t fire Chris Wallace because of PR?

(07-25-2018 06:57 AM)Latilleon Wrote: [ -> ]This article makes absolutely no sense.

Why would anything think Chris Wallace is incapable of these moves? The guy has worked in the NBA for twenty years. He knows how to make money moves and he’s friends with everyone in the NBA.

I guess the writer doesn’t when Wallace did deals selling the Grizz cap space for cash and assets circa 2008 or trading for Zach Randolph for an expiring but instead just doing a deal for Darko for ZBo, he traded Darko to the Knicks, got assets and expiring Quentin Richardson, and traded Richardson to LA for ZBo.

Wallace knows how to make deals. I hope the comments were more about being tongue-in-cheek about a “ghost GM”.

So the Grizz will fire Fizdale no problem, but they won’t fire Chris Wallace because of PR?

Cause he's an idiot.

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Yuta is another defender. Long and quick. Definitely see a trend. Defense wins Championships.

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Never said it was a bad thing, chief.

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

(07-26-2018 09:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

We're not signing the leagues scoring champions anytime soon.

(07-26-2018 10:27 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

We're not signing the leagues scoring champions anytime soon.

Why is that the first thing everyone jumps to when it suggested the Grizz move away from Grit n Grind?

Nobody is saying go get the KDs of the world, but you can't tell me Grizzlies can't attract guys or draft guys that can a)be a threat to score/be more offensively gifted and b) guys that can space the floor and get up and down the court.

It's like this fanbase is so scared to let GnG go. GnG only got the Grizzlies to the WCF where they got swept.

If a team like OKC (similar market to Memphis) can do it why can't the Grizz.

Grizz need to market the heck out of JJJ and sell him as the centerpiece for the future to attract players. Again they don't have to be the KDs of the world, but Grizz can attract productive players.

First things first though the moment Marc is gone GnG needs to be thrown in the trash.

I agree to some extent with your last comment. Once Marc is gone, I would expect us to play a little faster. I’m not sure OKC is the prototype for what we want to do (unless homerun draft picks is the strategy). I would have to look it up to be 100%, but I’d imagine they stunk for several years to land 3 lottery picks.

OKC drafted well and got Durant, Westbrook and Harden to build a brand. They unfortunately got bit by the injury bug and could never win it all with that core. Then they self distructed. They shell of the brand is still there and Westbrook is perceived to be a super star so thus the lure to get a guy like Paul George. Carmelo, you can keep him. All that and they still are maybe the 5th best team in the West.

(07-26-2018 10:48 AM)cscottl1981 Wrote: [ -> ]I agree to some extent with your last comment. Once Marc is gone, I would expect us to play a little faster. I’m not sure OKC is the prototype for what we want to do (unless homerun draft picks is the strategy). I would have to look it up to be 100%, but I’d imagine they stunk for several years to land 3 lottery picks.

OKC drafted well and got Durant, Westbrook and Harden to build a brand. They unfortunately got bit by the injury bug and could never win it all with that core. Then they self distructed. They shell of the brand is still there and Westbrook is perceived to be a super star so thus the lure to get a guy like Paul George. Carmelo, you can keep him. All that and they still are maybe the 5th best team in the West.

I'm not saying copy OKC's model. I was more so just giving an example of team in a similar market. I also was more so meaning copy OKC's style of play.

Get more athletic, space the floor, play faster, and shoot more 3s. The Grizz can attract those type of players. Grizz attracted Parsons, no it didn't work out, but still he chose to come here over Portland (bigger market). It can be done, but the style of play and thought process within the organization needs to change. Honestly it should've changed after the '15 season.

As for OKC drafting Grizz gifted them Harden. That draft is a big reason the Grizz are in the hole they are in.

One more thing the Grizz need to stop doing is giving away 1st round picks. They need to stop trading their future away for mediocre players (aka Jeff Green)

(07-26-2018 10:41 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:27 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

We're not signing the leagues scoring champions anytime soon.

Why is that the first thing everyone jumps to when it suggested the Grizz move away from Grit n Grind?

Nobody is saying go get the KDs of the world, but you can't tell me Grizzlies can't attract guys or draft guys that can a)be a threat to score/be more offensively gifted and b) guys that can space the floor and get up and down the court.

It's like this fanbase is so scared to let GnG go. GnG only got the Grizzlies to the WCF where they got swept.

If a team like OKC (similar market to Memphis) can do it why can't the Grizz.

Grizz need to market the heck out of JJJ and sell him as the centerpiece for the future to attract players. Again they don't have to be the KDs of the world, but Grizz can attract productive players.

First things first though the moment Marc is gone GnG needs to be thrown in the trash.

Grit and Grind to me was always about evident effort to maximize talent. It translated to a defensive style. But hit the boards, especially offensive, hustle for deflections and steals that lead to fast breaks work, too. It is frustrating to observe the myopic pigeonholing handcuffing GnG to only slow defense. To me, it ignores a significant chunk of what GnG achieved with the Core 4.

(07-26-2018 02:36 PM)kabluey Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:27 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

We're not signing the leagues scoring champions anytime soon.

Why is that the first thing everyone jumps to when it suggested the Grizz move away from Grit n Grind?

Nobody is saying go get the KDs of the world, but you can't tell me Grizzlies can't attract guys or draft guys that can a)be a threat to score/be more offensively gifted and b) guys that can space the floor and get up and down the court.

It's like this fanbase is so scared to let GnG go. GnG only got the Grizzlies to the WCF where they got swept.

If a team like OKC (similar market to Memphis) can do it why can't the Grizz.

Grizz need to market the heck out of JJJ and sell him as the centerpiece for the future to attract players. Again they don't have to be the KDs of the world, but Grizz can attract productive players.

First things first though the moment Marc is gone GnG needs to be thrown in the trash.

Grit and Grind to me was always about evident effort to maximize talent. It translated to a defensive style. But hit the boards, especially offensive, hustle for deflections and steals that lead to fast breaks work, too. It is frustrating to observe the myopic pigeonholing handcuffing GnG to only slow defense. To me, it ignores a significant chunk of what GnG achieved with the Core 4.

Nobody wanting to go away from it is ignoring what the GnG era achieved. The problem is it reached it's maximum potential. If you're ok with making only to the WCF then that's fine, but I want to win championships. GnG will not do that.

GnG was more than just hustle and effort. It was a style of play. It was physical, stout D, and slow the game down to shorten the game. It was limit the number of possessions the other team has. It was post oriented offense. The NBA just isn't that way anymore and the Grizz have got to move away from that at some point.

I appreciate what GnG achieved, but I'm ready to see what a new style, a more up tempo style, can do.

Houston plays uptempo, spread the court and bomb 3s kind of ball, but when they played GS in the playoffs they tried to drag the game into the mud. It would have worked if Chris Paul didn’t get hurt. Nothing wrong with using a counter punch to get the Warriors out of their comfort zone.

Call it whatever you want, we just need better players (several A or A+ level guys). Those kinds of guys don’t have to play a slow it down style. If your personnel can play like everybody else and be successful, then go for it. If you don’t have the studs to do it, you’re just a crappy version of GSW.

Styles change too. Before too long you’ll probably see a different strategy other than chucking threes all game.

(07-26-2018 03:21 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote: [ -> ]Houston plays uptempo, spread the court and bomb 3s kind of ball, but when they played GS in the playoffs they tried to drag the game into the mud. It would have worked if Chris Paul didn’t get hurt. Nothing wrong with using a counter punch to get the Warriors out of their comfort zone.

Call it whatever you want, we just need better players (several A or A+ level guys). Those kinds of guys don’t have to play a slow it down style. If your personnel can play like everybody else and be successful, then go for it. If you don’t have the studs to do it, you’re just a crappy version of GSW.

Styles change too. Before too long you’ll probably see a different strategy other than chucking threes all game.

The thing is the only thing about their style that changed was their tempo. They still spaced the floor and shot a ton of 3s. Only difference was they shortened the game that's it.

GnG style does one of those things. It doesn't spread the floor and it doesn't shoot a ton of 3s.

It's going to be a while before you see the style of the modern NBA change.

IMO, the Griz need to double down on the Grit and Grind style because a contrarian approach will yield the best players for that style (due to less completion for their services), it wlll cause adjustments for the opponent (think Navy), and it is very unlikely they can match GS, Houston, etc anyway playing the style currently in vogue.

(07-26-2018 10:41 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:27 AM)MemphisTigerPawr Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:15 AM)tigers0830 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 10:41 AM)UofMark Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 08:13 AM)fishman6581 Wrote: [ -> ]But tigx said we're never leaving the Grit n' Grind era.

So we get players and teach them to play defense. Why is that a bad thing? Why wouldn't we want our players playing tough D? Teams that win consistently start with hard defense. If you don't want to call it Grit and Grind then don't. Channel your inner Nolan Richardson and call it 48 minutes of hell if it makes it more palatable to you. Either way, you win by playing tough D.

Give me a team with multiple guys that can score over a team of multiple guys that can defend.

Defense is great, but if you can't score you aren't going to win.

That is why Grit n Grind needs to go. Yes it was a great run and it brought the most success the franchise has ever had, but it also reached it's maximum potential as well.

So it's time to transition to the modern NBA style. Shoot more 3s, play faster, and spread the floor.

We're not signing the leagues scoring champions anytime soon.

Why is that the first thing everyone jumps to when it suggested the Grizz move away from Grit n Grind?

Nobody is saying go get the KDs of the world, but you can't tell me Grizzlies can't attract guys or draft guys that can a)be a threat to score/be more offensively gifted and b) guys that can space the floor and get up and down the court.

It's like this fanbase is so scared to let GnG go. GnG only got the Grizzlies to the WCF where they got swept.

If a team like OKC (similar market to Memphis) can do it why can't the Grizz.

Grizz need to market the heck out of JJJ and sell him as the centerpiece for the future to attract players. Again they don't have to be the KDs of the world, but Grizz can attract productive players.

First things first though the moment Marc is gone GnG needs to be thrown in the trash.

So did you just say we don't need the Kevin Durant type players but we should follow OKCs template? Did you also knock the achievement of going to the WCFs? Did you actually go to the games?

Did you insinuate Marc, Mike and Zbo we're not productive players? Neither Mark or Mike have been expendable and both were picked up via the draft process. Our trades have not turned out nearly as well but go ahead and deal away our best two players for who exactly?

JJJ is the future of this franchise but Memphis is not a destination market for most free agents. It likely never will be. GnG needs to be thrown in the trash? Because why exactly? It has become a franchise trademark but burn it and all the money and notoriety that comes with it. You're making Chris Wallace look like a genius.

I guess we could dump Mike and Mark and hope to strike lightning in the lottery after several 25 win seasons. That's a great plan. We all know they are getting older and paid a ton but trade deals aren't that easy to pull off. Who would you propose we trade Mark and Mike for exactly that would be a step up?