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(07-25-2018 09:36 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

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(07-25-2018 12:05 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]The MAC needs to drop EMU and Kent and bring in hungry FCS programs that actually have donors, fanbases, and can be competitive. The MAC is very top heavy and I think actually has the possibility to be a top G5 program with the correct additions. Expand the East footprint to Liberty and Delaware. It is too congested in Michigan and Ohio. You drop EMU and Kent and you immediately reduce the competition for recruits and fans of other local MAC schools. There is absolutely zero upside to having a team like EMU in the MAC, they're a bad look for the conference and they saturate the conference footprint.

Good point on the congestion. I would look to add Delaware and UMass.

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I don't think it was any coincidence the MAC had 6 ranked teams in 8 years from 68-75, expanded to 10 with 4 schools in the same footprint (EMU, CMU, Ball St., NIU) and went 20 years without another ranked team.

That’s one hell of a statistic right there. Removing EMU alone would do huge things for WMU and CMU. The more FBS bottomfeeder teams we can weed out, the more competitive the G5 will be against the P5.

I'm a fan of EMU's Coach Creighton from his Drake days. He is a masterful motivator. He came into arguably the worst FBS program and is making progress.

I see at SBNation their preseason rankings put EMU in MAC's 2nd tier of teams behind Ohio, Toledo, and NIU in tier 1 and BGSU, Akron, CMU, Ball, and Kent in tiers 3 & 4. 24/7 Sports gave EMU the #6 recruiting class, right in the middle of the MAC. The recent media poll puts EMU in the middle of their division.

One expert says, "As for Eastern Michigan, they are a team I think could surprise. Chris Creighton has done a tremendous job turning this program around. Their 12 wins the last two years are almost as many as they had over their previous 7 seasons combined (15). They went just 5-7 last year, but had 6 losses by a touchdown or less (including a 4 point loss to SEC Kentucky and beat B10 Rutgers) and their largest defeat was by 12 points. They should have one of the best defenses in the conference. It’s just a matter if they can get above average QB play after losing their starter (Brogan Roback)."

Is it time to rethink the "New EMU"?

*EMU finished 3rd of 12 in the MAC Learfield Cup standing; #102 out of 291 d1 schools; ahead of a lot of other FBS schools.

(07-25-2018 08:00 PM)WesternSkillet Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-25-2018 12:05 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]The MAC needs to drop EMU and Kent and bring in hungry FCS programs that actually have donors, fanbases, and can be competitive. The MAC is very top heavy and I think actually has the possibility to be a top G5 program with the correct additions. Expand the East footprint to Liberty and Delaware. It is too congested in Michigan and Ohio. You drop EMU and Kent and you immediately reduce the competition for recruits and fans of other local MAC schools. There is absolutely zero upside to having a team like EMU in the MAC, they're a bad look for the conference and they saturate the conference footprint.

Good point on the congestion. I would look to add Delaware and UMass.

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UMass isn't going to the MAC because they value their basketball being in the A-10. They don't want to be a full member of the MAC, it's why they pulled football from the conference in the first place.

(07-26-2018 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 11:01 AM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:08 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:04 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]Adjusted for inflation, Texas-Arlington spent $21 million for a stadium and played six seasons in it before dropping football.

Spending tens of millions on facilities could actually be the reason for killing football if the results don't emerge.

Idaho is an asterisk. Nobody is moving down. If ULM isn't moving certainly Texas State isn't. Can we get some actual football news. I think we have exhausted tin foil topics to the extreme.

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Doesn't address my point but why in the hell would you be on the realignment board if you want to talk actual football, by definition most actual football topics are off-topic on this board.

One school has moved down from FBS in what? Three decades?

Well...we need to also count the ones that dropped football.

The California schools that dropped football had leaders who were anti-football at the time. They are now trying to claw their programs back out of the ground, and been talks about bringing the football back to those schools from leaders who are pro-football. Maybe we can finally see more D1 football schools come out of the ashes in California again?

(07-26-2018 02:59 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a fan of EMU's Coach Creighton from his Drake days. He is a masterful motivator. He came into arguably the worst FBS program and is making progress.

I see at SBNation their preseason rankings put EMU in MAC's 2nd tier of teams behind Ohio, Toledo, and NIU in tier 1 and BGSU, Akron, CMU, Ball, and Kent in tiers 3 & 4. 24/7 Sports gave EMU the #6 recruiting class, right in the middle of the MAC. The recent media poll puts EMU in the middle of their division.

One expert says, "As for Eastern Michigan, they are a team I think could surprise. Chris Creighton has done a tremendous job turning this program around. Their 12 wins the last two years are almost as many as they had over their previous 7 seasons combined (15). They went just 5-7 last year, but had 6 losses by a touchdown or less (including a 4 point loss to SEC Kentucky and beat B10 Rutgers) and their largest defeat was by 12 points. They should have one of the best defenses in the conference. It’s just a matter if they can get above average QB play after losing their starter (Brogan Roback)."

Is it time to rethink the "New EMU"?

*EMU finished 3rd of 12 in the MAC Learfield Cup standing; #102 out of 291 d1 schools; ahead of a lot of other FBS schools.

EMU was a hair from beating 2 P5 teams last year. Their losses were by 1, 3, 3, 4, 5, 7, & 12.

The Hurons are my pick to win the MAC.

(07-26-2018 03:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 11:01 AM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:08 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]Idaho is an asterisk. Nobody is moving down. If ULM isn't moving certainly Texas State isn't. Can we get some actual football news. I think we have exhausted tin foil topics to the extreme.

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Doesn't address my point but why in the hell would you be on the realignment board if you want to talk actual football, by definition most actual football topics are off-topic on this board.

One school has moved down from FBS in what? Three decades?

Well...we need to also count the ones that dropped football.

The California schools that dropped football had leaders who were anti-football at the time. They are now trying to claw their programs back out of the ground, and been talks about bringing the football back to those schools from leaders who are pro-football. Maybe we can finally see more D1 football schools come out of the ashes in California again?

Doubt it , TITLE IX makes it very hard


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(07-26-2018 02:59 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a fan of EMU's Coach Creighton from his Drake days. He is a masterful motivator. He came into arguably the worst FBS program and is making progress.

I see at SBNation their preseason rankings put EMU in MAC's 2nd tier of teams behind Ohio, Toledo, and NIU in tier 1 and BGSU, Akron, CMU, Ball, and Kent in tiers 3 & 4. 24/7 Sports gave EMU the #6 recruiting class, right in the middle of the MAC. The recent media poll puts EMU in the middle of their division.

One expert says, "As for Eastern Michigan, they are a team I think could surprise. Chris Creighton has done a tremendous job turning this program around. Their 12 wins the last two years are almost as many as they had over their previous 7 seasons combined (15). They went just 5-7 last year, but had 6 losses by a touchdown or less (including a 4 point loss to SEC Kentucky and beat B10 Rutgers) and their largest defeat was by 12 points. They should have one of the best defenses in the conference. It’s just a matter if they can get above average QB play after losing their starter (Brogan Roback)."

Is it time to rethink the "New EMU"?

*EMU finished 3rd of 12 in the MAC Learfield Cup standing; #102 out of 291 d1 schools; ahead of a lot of other FBS schools.

No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

(07-26-2018 04:18 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 03:10 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 01:57 PM)MWC Tex Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 11:01 AM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-24-2018 04:45 PM)arkstfan Wrote: [ -> ]Doesn't address my point but why in the hell would you be on the realignment board if you want to talk actual football, by definition most actual football topics are off-topic on this board.

One school has moved down from FBS in what? Three decades?

Well...we need to also count the ones that dropped football.

The California schools that dropped football had leaders who were anti-football at the time. They are now trying to claw their programs back out of the ground, and been talks about bringing the football back to those schools from leaders who are pro-football. Maybe we can finally see more D1 football schools come out of the ashes in California again?

Doubt it , TITLE IX makes it very hard


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Maybe, maybe not. There have been some emerging women sports that cost less to start up which could help bring football back.

Beach Volleyball
Women's wrestling

Rugby is like football, but it is an emerging sports for women.
Horse jumping for women riders.
Triathlon which could be a cheap sport.

Okay, beach volleyball have been taken off the emerging sport since it is now a championship sport.

They could bring back archery.
Badminton
Squash
Synchronized Swimming
Team handball

USA Cheer applied this year as an emerging sport.

Sailing
trap shooting
figure skating
martial arts
speedskater
roller derby
bobsled
luge
powerlifting
slalom canoer
polo
surfing
Australian Rules football
table tennis
chess
baseball (like they did during the WW2 when women played the sport which inspired the movie A League of Their Own)
cycling
netball emerging Olympics sports


Some could be expensive, but others could be cheap.

30-40 years ago, you wouldn't think to notice the number of now D1 football programs from that midwestern region. The states were big, the schools were good, and kids played football. Today, it looks pretty over-saturated.

The MAC just looks squashed. On its eastern front, you have schools like Kent State and Akron not terribly removed from Pitt and WVU. Move further west, and, yeah...what a mess. EMU isn't the only one who's troubles come to mind...Bowling Green.

But those MAC schools...I don't know if I see FCS in the future due to some of the other stresses and strains in play. D2 might be better.

The "what if" I'm left to consider is the MAC today had they not resisted WKU and MTSU, ahead of their moves to CUSA. The MAC was very aware of these viability studies conducted over a decade ago when all of these newer or growing programs were establishing benchmarks and ceilings...they all aimed for CUSA. It's like the MAC just knew it and wanted no part of any school that sold upgrades to donors and fans with CUSA in mind. The MAC wouldn't be CUSA's stepping stone the same way Sun Belt now pretty much is. But, again, have to wonder about those two to the south.

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 02:59 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]I'm a fan of EMU's Coach Creighton from his Drake days. He is a masterful motivator. He came into arguably the worst FBS program and is making progress.

I see at SBNation their preseason rankings put EMU in MAC's 2nd tier of teams behind Ohio, Toledo, and NIU in tier 1 and BGSU, Akron, CMU, Ball, and Kent in tiers 3 & 4. 24/7 Sports gave EMU the #6 recruiting class, right in the middle of the MAC. The recent media poll puts EMU in the middle of their division.

One expert says, "As for Eastern Michigan, they are a team I think could surprise. Chris Creighton has done a tremendous job turning this program around. Their 12 wins the last two years are almost as many as they had over their previous 7 seasons combined (15). They went just 5-7 last year, but had 6 losses by a touchdown or less (including a 4 point loss to SEC Kentucky and beat B10 Rutgers) and their largest defeat was by 12 points. They should have one of the best defenses in the conference. It’s just a matter if they can get above average QB play after losing their starter (Brogan Roback)."

Is it time to rethink the "New EMU"?

*EMU finished 3rd of 12 in the MAC Learfield Cup standing; #102 out of 291 d1 schools; ahead of a lot of other FBS schools.

No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

...and yet they are still here

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(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

Wut? WMU fan talking like a Bama fan...

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(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

It seems that Wayne State Michigan is getting more of a bizz right now than EMU. I am seeing and hearing that they want to go back to D1. They are more of an AAU type school.

Wayne State Michigan profile:
They are members of:
Universities Research Association, University Research Corridor, Great Cities' Universities, Coalition of Urban Serving Universities, Association of Public and Land-grant Universities
Endowment:$359 million
students:27,298
203 acres
City: Detroit, Michigan
Medical school: Yes
R1 rated by Carnegie as the highest research level.
Sounds like they are like a Land Grant University?
There department of Chemistry is tied for 71st with Dartmouth, Case Western reserve and Kansas.
field 17 sports: 8 mens and 9 womens. Upgraded their turf in 2015 with new video board and all that.
Adams Field seats 6000 which could be expanded.
They could afford adding more sports.


Eastern Michigan University:
Not a member of any research groups.
Endowment:$67.2 million
Students:23,409
800 acres
City:Ypsilanti, Michigan
Medical school:No
Low ranking MAC school by Carnegie not registering.
Sports:21, 9 mens, 12 womens
Population around 22,000 estimated by 2017. That is even smaller than Grand Junction.

Wayne State is in the shadows of Detroit Mercy which that school have not been on the radar in recent years.
Eastern Michigan is in the shadows of University of Michigan. They will not survive.

I could see a swap in the future with EMU going down and Wayne State takes their place.

(07-27-2018 09:28 PM)panama Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

Wut? WMU fan talking like a Bama fan...

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I'm not talking like a BAMA fan, I'm simply stating that EMU is not anywhere comparable to the rest of the MAC in football. Look at the donations, ticket sales, attendance(which is inflated), and overall culture. Their endowment is super small, they are a commuter school. They would be better off cutting football and moving to Horizon league. Their program is propped up by a board of directors who want football, the rest of the school and faculty want it cut. In my eyes it's only a matter of time.

(07-28-2018 04:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 06:18 PM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]No fan base, no ticket sales, crappy attendance, no donors, and 6 miles from UofM. It’s a recipe for disaster. Even if they continue to hang on for dear life they’re costing their school millions of dollars every year just to compete at the FBS level and get 3-6 wins every year.

Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

It seems that Wayne State Michigan is getting more of a bizz right now than EMU. I am seeing and hearing that they want to go back to D1. They are more of an AAU type school.

Wayne State Michigan profile:
They are members of:
Universities Research Association, University Research Corridor, Great Cities' Universities, Coalition of Urban Serving Universities, Association of Public and Land-grant Universities
Endowment:$359 million
students:27,298
203 acres
City: Detroit, Michigan
Medical school: Yes
R1 rated by Carnegie as the highest research level.
Sounds like they are like a Land Grant University?
There department of Chemistry is tied for 71st with Dartmouth, Case Western reserve and Kansas.
field 17 sports: 8 mens and 9 womens. Upgraded their turf in 2015 with new video board and all that.
Adams Field seats 6000 which could be expanded.
They could afford adding more sports.


Eastern Michigan University:
Not a member of any research groups.
Endowment:$67.2 million
Students:23,409
800 acres
City:Ypsilanti, Michigan
Medical school:No
Low ranking MAC school by Carnegie not registering.
Sports:21, 9 mens, 12 womens
Population around 22,000 estimated by 2017. That is even smaller than Grand Junction.

Wayne State is in the shadows of Detroit Mercy which that school have not been on the radar in recent years.
Eastern Michigan is in the shadows of University of Michigan. They will not survive.

I could see a swap in the future with EMU going down and Wayne State takes their place.

I agree wayne state would be a better add in the MAC than EMU, but I don't think they could maintain a solid FBS football program. They could definitely hold their own in basketball tho.

(07-28-2018 08:03 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

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(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 09:16 PM)MidWestMidMajor Wrote: [ -> ]Admittedly EMU was THE greatest dumpster fire of all dumpster fires in college football. But a few good seasons can turn that around (like PJ Fleck did, or Frank Solich at Ohio). Yes, their geography is a "challenge". But they've got 23,000+ students, 4500 employees, 100,000 alumni, and 5,000,000 people in their backyard. That's something to work with. The planned facilities improvements seems to suggest they are serious at getting good in football.

It will be a steep mountain to climb. But in 2011 Coach Creighton took the Drake football team to Africa and they climbed Mt. Kilimanjaro. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Kilimanjaro_Bowl. So he can get guys to climb mountains. It will be interesting to watch.

*I missed this from only 2 weeks ago: "Eastern Michigan University was awarded with the Reese Trophy as the top men's athletic program in the Mid-American Conference at the MAC Honors Dinner in Cleveland Wednesday night."

You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

It seems that Wayne State Michigan is getting more of a bizz right now than EMU. I am seeing and hearing that they want to go back to D1. They are more of an AAU type school.

Wayne State Michigan profile:
They are members of:
Universities Research Association, University Research Corridor, Great Cities' Universities, Coalition of Urban Serving Universities, Association of Public and Land-grant Universities
Endowment:$359 million
students:27,298
203 acres
City: Detroit, Michigan
Medical school: Yes
R1 rated by Carnegie as the highest research level.
Sounds like they are like a Land Grant University?
There department of Chemistry is tied for 71st with Dartmouth, Case Western reserve and Kansas.
field 17 sports: 8 mens and 9 womens. Upgraded their turf in 2015 with new video board and all that.
Adams Field seats 6000 which could be expanded.
They could afford adding more sports.


Eastern Michigan University:
Not a member of any research groups.
Endowment:$67.2 million
Students:23,409
800 acres
City:Ypsilanti, Michigan
Medical school:No
Low ranking MAC school by Carnegie not registering.
Sports:21, 9 mens, 12 womens
Population around 22,000 estimated by 2017. That is even smaller than Grand Junction.

Wayne State is in the shadows of Detroit Mercy which that school have not been on the radar in recent years.
Eastern Michigan is in the shadows of University of Michigan. They will not survive.

I could see a swap in the future with EMU going down and Wayne State takes their place.

I agree wayne state would be a better add in the MAC than EMU, but I don't think they could maintain a solid FBS football program. They could definitely hold their own in basketball tho.

Wayne State peers seemed to be in the MAC than where they are at. All the MAC schools are R1 and R2.

Eastern Michigan could move to FCS with Ferris State (14,000 students), Grand Valley State with over 25,000 students, Saginaw Valley State close to 9000 students, and further in the future, private Davenport University with close to 8000 students. They could grab in a realignment for a lower D1 conference with Oakland, Detroit Mercy and any schools in the area in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. Wisconsin-Parkside could move up from D2 to this configuration. Since we are talking about regional realignment for better travel partners like what the Big West is doing? They could take Western Illinois and PUFW from The Summit. Summit grabbing Augustana and UMKC. Chicago State could go from the WAC to the Eastern michigna D1 conference for FCS.

(07-28-2018 09:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2018 08:03 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2018 04:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-26-2018 10:41 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]You don’t realize less than one percent of those 5 million people could care less about EMU. With Ann Arbor and East Lansing and Toledo not that far away, it’s a losing battle with over a third of the football stadium tarpped off and only filling the second deck of the basketball arena for graduation.

Plus you can count on two hands how many people actually care about the Reese Trophy. Unless it’s football or basketball it really doesn’t matter.

Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

It seems that Wayne State Michigan is getting more of a bizz right now than EMU. I am seeing and hearing that they want to go back to D1. They are more of an AAU type school.

Wayne State Michigan profile:
They are members of:
Universities Research Association, University Research Corridor, Great Cities' Universities, Coalition of Urban Serving Universities, Association of Public and Land-grant Universities
Endowment:$359 million
students:27,298
203 acres
City: Detroit, Michigan
Medical school: Yes
R1 rated by Carnegie as the highest research level.
Sounds like they are like a Land Grant University?
There department of Chemistry is tied for 71st with Dartmouth, Case Western reserve and Kansas.
field 17 sports: 8 mens and 9 womens. Upgraded their turf in 2015 with new video board and all that.
Adams Field seats 6000 which could be expanded.
They could afford adding more sports.


Eastern Michigan University:
Not a member of any research groups.
Endowment:$67.2 million
Students:23,409
800 acres
City:Ypsilanti, Michigan
Medical school:No
Low ranking MAC school by Carnegie not registering.
Sports:21, 9 mens, 12 womens
Population around 22,000 estimated by 2017. That is even smaller than Grand Junction.

Wayne State is in the shadows of Detroit Mercy which that school have not been on the radar in recent years.
Eastern Michigan is in the shadows of University of Michigan. They will not survive.

I could see a swap in the future with EMU going down and Wayne State takes their place.

I agree wayne state would be a better add in the MAC than EMU, but I don't think they could maintain a solid FBS football program. They could definitely hold their own in basketball tho.

Wayne State peers seemed to be in the MAC than where they are at. All the MAC schools are R1 and R2.

Eastern Michigan could move to FCS with Ferris State (14,000 students), Grand Valley State with over 25,000 students, Saginaw Valley State close to 9000 students, and further in the future, private Davenport University with close to 8000 students. They could grab in a realignment for a lower D1 conference with Oakland, Detroit Mercy and any schools in the area in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. Wisconsin-Parkside could move up from D2 to this configuration. Since we are talking about regional realignment for better travel partners like what the Big West is doing? They could take Western Illinois and PUFW from The Summit. Summit grabbing Augustana and UMKC. Chicago State could go from the WAC to the Eastern michigna D1 conference for FCS.

What the **** is this?

(07-28-2018 11:53 PM)utpotts Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2018 09:31 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2018 08:03 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-28-2018 04:03 AM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-27-2018 07:02 AM)Fthechips Wrote: [ -> ]Exactly. EMU is a commuter school, they don’t belong in FBS. There is no real tailgating or partying that goes on for the games. Why would people ever go watch EMU when UM is a 10 minute drive away. Look at the donations and ticket sale numbers.

It seems that Wayne State Michigan is getting more of a bizz right now than EMU. I am seeing and hearing that they want to go back to D1. They are more of an AAU type school.

Wayne State Michigan profile:
They are members of:
Universities Research Association, University Research Corridor, Great Cities' Universities, Coalition of Urban Serving Universities, Association of Public and Land-grant Universities
Endowment:$359 million
students:27,298
203 acres
City: Detroit, Michigan
Medical school: Yes
R1 rated by Carnegie as the highest research level.
Sounds like they are like a Land Grant University?
There department of Chemistry is tied for 71st with Dartmouth, Case Western reserve and Kansas.
field 17 sports: 8 mens and 9 womens. Upgraded their turf in 2015 with new video board and all that.
Adams Field seats 6000 which could be expanded.
They could afford adding more sports.


Eastern Michigan University:
Not a member of any research groups.
Endowment:$67.2 million
Students:23,409
800 acres
City:Ypsilanti, Michigan
Medical school:No
Low ranking MAC school by Carnegie not registering.
Sports:21, 9 mens, 12 womens
Population around 22,000 estimated by 2017. That is even smaller than Grand Junction.

Wayne State is in the shadows of Detroit Mercy which that school have not been on the radar in recent years.
Eastern Michigan is in the shadows of University of Michigan. They will not survive.

I could see a swap in the future with EMU going down and Wayne State takes their place.

I agree wayne state would be a better add in the MAC than EMU, but I don't think they could maintain a solid FBS football program. They could definitely hold their own in basketball tho.

Wayne State peers seemed to be in the MAC than where they are at. All the MAC schools are R1 and R2.

Eastern Michigan could move to FCS with Ferris State (14,000 students), Grand Valley State with over 25,000 students, Saginaw Valley State close to 9000 students, and further in the future, private Davenport University with close to 8000 students. They could grab in a realignment for a lower D1 conference with Oakland, Detroit Mercy and any schools in the area in Ohio, Indiana, Illinois and Wisconsin. Wisconsin-Parkside could move up from D2 to this configuration. Since we are talking about regional realignment for better travel partners like what the Big West is doing? They could take Western Illinois and PUFW from The Summit. Summit grabbing Augustana and UMKC. Chicago State could go from the WAC to the Eastern michigna D1 conference for FCS.

What the **** is this?

A bit off the rails