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New study out of Northwestern's School of Medicine is showing a higher rate of concussions for women's soccer than men's football. "

Which anyone who has taken even an introductory logic course would see as a fallacy in argument to which the reasoned response would be, "so?" Is there a point you're making or is it the non-sequitur of the day? Can we stream of consciousness or are we to focus on something? Is this thread a proposal to try out more women at LB or maybe an indictment on Northwestern Medical for wasting time on soccer? Does this explain Brexit?

And yes I'm about to go to the dentist so am getting the surliness out now.

That's not a new study...in fact that has been known in most soccer circles for years. That's why most youth leagues have banned or limited headers (the cause of almost all concussions in youth soccer).

East...his point is that soccer is "bad" because he probably saw an article about it in The Blade today and needed to remind everyone that it "sucks" as with most people who gift us with unprompted comments about a sport.

(07-16-2018 09:05 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]That's not a new study...in fact that has been known in most soccer circles for years. That's why most youth leagues have banned or limited headers (the cause of almost all concussions in youth soccer).

East...his point is that soccer is "bad" because he probably saw an article about it in The Blade today and needed to remind everyone that it "sucks" as with most people who g :stirthepot:ift us with unprompted comments about a sport.

The study is a year old, but included data that was post enactment of head trauma rules. I read it a week ago and posted it at 2:28 am this morning. Obviously I didn't get it from today's "Blade". One of the interesting things was rate of concussions was three time as great for women soccer players than their male counterparts. And the rate of detection is higher now than before the rule changes, because there is greater awareness of the problem. And I posted it because I found it interesting.

(07-16-2018 09:45 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]

(07-16-2018 09:05 AM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]That's not a new study...in fact that has been known in most soccer circles for years. That's why most youth leagues have banned or limited headers (the cause of almost all concussions in youth soccer).

East...his point is that soccer is "bad" because he probably saw an article about it in The Blade today and needed to remind everyone that it "sucks" as with most people who g :stirthepot:ift us with unprompted comments about a sport.

The study is a year old, but included data that was post enactment of head trauma rules. I read it a week ago and posted it at 2:28 am this morning. Obviously I didn't get it from today's "Blade". One of the interesting things was rate of concussions was three time as great for women soccer players than their male counterparts. And the rate of detection is higher now than before the rule changes, because there is greater awareness of the problem. And I posted it because I found it interesting.

That word "vs" is not in the title of the study and invites a narrative not intended in the study. Though comparisons to football are made, they are also made to boy's soccer, increasing at a "3-fold" higher rate in girl's than boy's soccer. We'll leave the "hard headed women" debate for a separate thread. Similar studies have been done to show higher rates of hip and knee injuries in girl's sports. But these are numbers, not causes. Rates reasonably can be ascribed to training. With male sports being the larger focus of investment and experience, it would not be unreasonable to see lower injury rates. Similarly I would expect a MUCH higher rate of injury in weekend warriar games than in better trained, better mended, better equipped NFL game.

But it was fun watching soccer guy get all butt-hurt.

"Sport- and Gender-specific Trends in the Epidemiology of Concussions Suffered by High School Athletes"

the chart also shows that this is % of concussions vs overall injuries in the sport. not the overall number of concussions. and the rates of that are statistically even for girls soccer vs football when you consider the study is based on a sample size and not everyone who plays the sports. in addition, i wonder how the reporting of injuries differs from boys to girls. generally, society expects boys to tolerate physical pain and injury more than girls and boys who play sports are known to try and play through pain to a dangerous degree. not to say female athletes don't play through pain but they may be more likely to tell someone when they are hurting. that has been my experience coaching both boys and girls sports. and, personally, i have chronic lifelong pain and discomfort from a youth sports injury i tried to play through and ended up aggravating to the point of irreparable damage. and, honestly while I wasn't into soccer because in my neighborhood that might be fighting words, when i did try it for a minute I was most turned off by how much it hurt to hit the ball with your head (and even worse when you missed the ball and hit someone else's head).