The AAC conference revenue decline by 6% to 74 million for the latest fiscal year. Included in the declining Revenue are payments that USF, Cincy and UConn are still receiving from the $70 million exit fees for being former Big East members.
All of the P5 conference saw increases in Revenue:
Revenue for P5:
SEC ($650 million)
Big Ten ($531 million)
Pac-12 ($509 million)
ACC ($418 million)
Big 12 ($371 million)
Point being You claim P6 all you want, but if you don't have the money to show for it you are not
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sports/co...story.html
So basically one AAC team makes as much as the entire CUSA does. Not a good look for us.
(06-12-2018 03:55 PM)JCMiner Wrote: [ -> ]So basically one AAC team makes as much as the entire CUSA does. Not a good look for us.
No CUSA total revenue was more, total revenue including CFP payout, NCAA Credits and TV
2016-2017 CFP Payout:
Mid-American Conference $21,522,280 per school average $1,793,523
American Athletic Conference $20,301,176 per school average $1,691,765
Mountain West Conference $18,708,211 per school average $1,559,018
Sun Belt Conference $17,115,246 per school average $1,555,931
Conference USA $13,929,315 per school average $1,071,486
(06-12-2018 03:55 PM)JCMiner Wrote: [ -> ]So basically one AAC team makes as much as the entire CUSA does. Not a good look for us.
I think that includes NCAA payout and bowl games ...all conference monies. I did not read the article so I could be wrong. I believe (would have to check and dont have it on this PC) Western's payout from CUSA was 1.7 million last year
clt asks if this includes the national championship bonus for USF
and jumping ship a bit here's an article on a P5 conference school president whining about how it's being left behind
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/20...686880002/
The Pac-12 Conference is projected to fall far behind other Power 5 conferences over the next five years in revenue-sharing and won’t even reach $38 million in payouts per school until 2023, according to budget documents recently provided by Pac-12 member Washington State.
“I think if you look at the overall athletic budgets of the top 25 largest (public) athletic budgets in the country, I think the Pac-12 only has two schools that are even on that list,” Washington State President Kirk Schulz told USA TODAY Sports. “I do think it’s harder to compete for coaches. It’s harder to build facilities. It’s harder to do the things we would like to do with less revenue coming in compared to (other leagues). I do think it puts us at a disadvantage.”
Some Pac-12 school officials recently have grumbled dissatisfaction about the payout disparity and accepted that it wouldn’t improve dramatically until around 2023-24, when the league’s current TV contracts expire with ESPN and Fox. The recent budget projections from WSU put the next five years into stark specific terms.
This is from the year Western Michigan made the Access Bowl. USF/UFC/Florida Tech's nattie isnt included.
(06-12-2018 04:01 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]2016-2017 CFP Payout:
Mid-American Conference $21,522,280 per school average $1,793,523
American Athletic Conference $20,301,176 per school average $1,691,765
Mountain West Conference $18,708,211 per school average $1,559,018
Sun Belt Conference $17,115,246 per school average $1,555,931
Conference USA $13,929,315 per school average $1,071,486
Oh no, what have you done?? Sunbelt lurkers will return and point to these numbers to tell us that their conference is better than ours.
(06-12-2018 04:01 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ]2016-2017 CFP Payout:
Mid-American Conference $21,522,280 per school average $1,793,523
American Athletic Conference $20,301,176 per school average $1,691,765
Mountain West Conference $18,708,211 per school average $1,559,018
Sun Belt Conference $17,115,246 per school average $1,555,931
Conference USA $13,929,315 per school average $1,071,486
Tell me again why CUSA hasn't fired Judy?
AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
(06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
(06-13-2018 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
I'd be curious as to the context of those comments as the UCF AD just said the following today---
“I don’t know how the first five years of our conference could have gone any better, with across-the-board success, particularly in football,” White said. “Whether you look at television ratings, competitive success, New Year’s Day bowl wins, we’ve way outperformed.
“I think our current deal is way undervalued, and everybody understands that. We’re all really confident we’ll get a much more significant television deal that puts us on par with where we should be, with the Power 6 conferences.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-power-6/
It may be that the Tulane AD is discussing the 2019-2020 budget. If there were to be a new deal where the AAC had a ESPN+ component---the extra money wouldnt kick in until 2020-2021. But the schools would have to upgrade their production facilities in the 2019-2020 budget cycle in order to be ready to provide ESPN+ streams in 2020-2021. ESPN would probably provide some money to help---but "revenue would not increase dramatically" in that 2019-2020 cycle while facility upgrade expenses would go up significantly....and there would be nothing Tulane could do unilaterally to change that.
btw---I think Danny White is way too optimistic. I dont see the AAC getting anything close to currrent P5 levels. Im guessing 6-8 million a team---which is only about 25% of the current going rate for P5's (in the most recent P5 deal, the B10 got about 29 million a team--which doesnt count Big10 Network income).
(06-13-2018 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
I won't go into a lot of detail debating why I think this here on the C-USA board, because I respect you guys and C-USA was very good for my Pirates while we were here, but I'll just say the Tulane information disagrees with what other schools and our commissioner have hinted at.
(06-13-2018 05:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
I'd be curious as to the context of those comments as the UCF AD just said the following today---
“I don’t know how the first five years of our conference could have gone any better, with across-the-board success, particularly in football,” White said. “Whether you look at television ratings, competitive success, New Year’s Day bowl wins, we’ve way outperformed.
“I think our current deal is way undervalued, and everybody understands that. We’re all really confident we’ll get a much more significant television deal that puts us on par with where we should be, with the Power 6 conferences.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-power-6/
It may be that the Tulane AD is discussing the 2019-2020 budget. If there were to be a new deal where the AAC had a ESPN+ component---the extra money wouldnt kick in until 2020-2021. But the schools would have to upgrade their production facilities in the 2019-2020 budget cycle in order to be ready to provide ESPN+ streams in 2020-2021. ESPN would probably provide some money to help---but "revenue would not increase dramatically" in that 2019-2020 cycle while facility upgrade expenses would go up significantly....and there would be nothing Tulane could do unilaterally to change that.
btw---I think Danny White is way too optimistic. I dont see the AAC getting anything close to currrent P5 levels. Im guessing 6-8 million a team---which is only about 25% of the current going rate for P5's (in the most recent P5 deal, the B10 got about 29 million a team--which doesnt count Big10 Network income).
Lol what does the Big 10 have to do with anything?
You do realize the whole AAC conference combined is worth less than 25% of 1 team in the Big 10.... Ohio State 1.5 billion
That’s like me comparing my net worth to Warren Buffet or Zuckerburg
The recent talk from MWC commissioner about less monetary contract from ESPN and CBS and more streaming would be more appropriate comparision. Even though AAC doesn’t have the late games starts, expect a similar package
Wall Street Journal:
AAC Conference (all schools combined) - 370 million
Big Ten
Ohio State 1.5 Billion
Michigan 893 million
Penn State 550 million
Nebraska 507 million
Iowa 483 million
Wisconsin 440 million
Michigan State 330 million
Minnesota 260 million
Indiana 178 million
Northwestern 163 million
Maryland 147 million
Illinois 143 million
Purdue 135 million
***Notre Dame 856 million***
(06-13-2018 07:25 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 05:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
I'd be curious as to the context of those comments as the UCF AD just said the following today---
“I don’t know how the first five years of our conference could have gone any better, with across-the-board success, particularly in football,” White said. “Whether you look at television ratings, competitive success, New Year’s Day bowl wins, we’ve way outperformed.
“I think our current deal is way undervalued, and everybody understands that. We’re all really confident we’ll get a much more significant television deal that puts us on par with where we should be, with the Power 6 conferences.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-power-6/
It may be that the Tulane AD is discussing the 2019-2020 budget. If there were to be a new deal where the AAC had a ESPN+ component---the extra money wouldnt kick in until 2020-2021. But the schools would have to upgrade their production facilities in the 2019-2020 budget cycle in order to be ready to provide ESPN+ streams in 2020-2021. ESPN would probably provide some money to help---but "revenue would not increase dramatically" in that 2019-2020 cycle while facility upgrade expenses would go up significantly....and there would be nothing Tulane could do unilaterally to change that.
btw---I think Danny White is way too optimistic. I dont see the AAC getting anything close to currrent P5 levels. Im guessing 6-8 million a team---which is only about 25% of the current going rate for P5's (in the most recent P5 deal, the B10 got about 29 million a team--which doesnt count Big10 Network income).
Lol what does the Big 10 have to do with anything?
You do realize the whole AAC conference combined is worth less than 25% of 1 team in the Big 10.... Ohio State 1.5 billion
That’s like me comparing my net worth to Warren Buffet or Zuckerburg
The recent talk from MWC commissioner about less monetary contract from ESPN and CBS and more streaming would be more appropriate comparision. Even though AAC doesn’t have the late games starts, expect a similar package
Wall Street Journal:
AAC Conference (all schools combined) - 370 million
Big Ten
Ohio State 1.5 Billion
Michigan 893 million
Penn State 550 million
Nebraska 507 million
Iowa 483 million
Wisconsin 440 million
Michigan State 330 million
Minnesota 260 million
Indiana 178 million
Northwestern 163 million
Maryland 147 million
Illinois 143 million
Purdue 135 million
***Notre Dame 856 million***
Which has nothing to do with the next AAC deal. In 2013, when the last AAC contract was inked, a bitcoin was worth $13.41. Today, its worth about $6,500. lol...just last December it was worth a little over $19,000.
Things change in value over time based upon changes in how a good or service is perceived by the marketplace. We will find out if there has been any change in the AAC perception in the next 12 months. But in just the last few months---the Sunbelt quadrupled its payout...CUSA doubled its payout in just 2 years (maybe more if the ESPN deal has some cash value)...UFC appears to be close to tripling their deal when the expected linear portion of the package is signed....and WWF just signed a 470 million dollar deal for Raw and Smackdown---two properties that had a combined "worth" of just $170 million per the existing contract. I think the AAC is going to do well.
It will be interesting to see how these contract negotiations play out over the next 12 months or so.
(06-13-2018 11:29 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 07:25 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 05:31 PM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 12:40 PM)Dawgxas Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2018 11:19 AM)Chappy Wrote: [ -> ]AAC revenue dipped for 2016-17 because UH made the Access Bowl in 2015-16 but Western Michigan made it in 2016-17. It will go back up in 2017-18 since UCF went to the Access Bowl, and then go up a good bit more after our TV deals are redone.
Very wishful thinking, the only evidence has been to the contrary. I haven't seen any other schools have a discussion.
"Tulane’s Senate discussed the media negotiations in some detail in March and didn’t give reason to expect a material net gain on the next deal. Sounds like a new deal will involve schools bearing production facilities costs, increasing pub but canceling out additional payout"
https://twitter.com/ryanscjones/status/1...6080754688
I'd be curious as to the context of those comments as the UCF AD just said the following today---
“I don’t know how the first five years of our conference could have gone any better, with across-the-board success, particularly in football,” White said. “Whether you look at television ratings, competitive success, New Year’s Day bowl wins, we’ve way outperformed.
“I think our current deal is way undervalued, and everybody understands that. We’re all really confident we’ll get a much more significant television deal that puts us on par with where we should be, with the Power 6 conferences.”
https://collegefootballtalk.nbcsports.co...e-power-6/
It may be that the Tulane AD is discussing the 2019-2020 budget. If there were to be a new deal where the AAC had a ESPN+ component---the extra money wouldnt kick in until 2020-2021. But the schools would have to upgrade their production facilities in the 2019-2020 budget cycle in order to be ready to provide ESPN+ streams in 2020-2021. ESPN would probably provide some money to help---but "revenue would not increase dramatically" in that 2019-2020 cycle while facility upgrade expenses would go up significantly....and there would be nothing Tulane could do unilaterally to change that.
btw---I think Danny White is way too optimistic. I dont see the AAC getting anything close to currrent P5 levels. Im guessing 6-8 million a team---which is only about 25% of the current going rate for P5's (in the most recent P5 deal, the B10 got about 29 million a team--which doesnt count Big10 Network income).
Lol what does the Big 10 have to do with anything?
You do realize the whole AAC conference combined is worth less than 25% of 1 team in the Big 10.... Ohio State 1.5 billion
That’s like me comparing my net worth to Warren Buffet or Zuckerburg
The recent talk from MWC commissioner about less monetary contract from ESPN and CBS and more streaming would be more appropriate comparision. Even though AAC doesn’t have the late games starts, expect a similar package
Wall Street Journal:
AAC Conference (all schools combined) - 370 million
Big Ten
Ohio State 1.5 Billion
Michigan 893 million
Penn State 550 million
Nebraska 507 million
Iowa 483 million
Wisconsin 440 million
Michigan State 330 million
Minnesota 260 million
Indiana 178 million
Northwestern 163 million
Maryland 147 million
Illinois 143 million
Purdue 135 million
***Notre Dame 856 million***
Which has nothing to do with the next AAC deal. In 2013, when the last AAC contract was inked, a bitcoin was worth $13.41. Today, its worth about $6,500. lol...just last December it was worth a little over $19,000.
Things change in value over time based upon changes in how a good or service is perceived by the marketplace. We will find out if there has been any change in the AAC perception in the next 12 months. But in just the last few months---the Sunbelt quadrupled its payout...CUSA doubled its payout in just 2 years (maybe more if the ESPN deal has some cash value)...UFC appears to be close to tripling their deal when the expected linear portion of the package is signed....and WWF just signed a 470 million dollar deal for Raw and Smackdown---two properties that had a combined "worth" of just $170 million per the existing contract. I think the AAC is going to do well.
It will be interesting to see how these contract negotiations play out over the next 12 months or so.
Doubled lol, that’s after a decline from 15.4 to 2.8 million tv contract in 2016.
None that has a basis in the reality that the lost of TV subscribers has cost ESPN billions, in 2014 revenue was 6.4 billion and is projected to be close to 2 billion next fiscal year.
So if it is not coming from ESPN, how are the other Cable Sports channels doing?
This is from May:
ESPN: -500K households
FS1: -328K households
Golf Channel: -505K
NBCSN: -544K
NFLN: -842K (Comcast kicked it up a tier with the Fox TNF news)
Not any better, all this has happen since the AAC contract was negotiated in 2013
Who do think is going to bid up the price? Just curious, I really don’t understand the pie in the sky/head in the sand mentality.
Of course I would like CUSA TV contract to be more but also realize that using the Big 10 contract as basis for our contract is absurd and has no basis in reality
