From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
Constructed in the early 1960s, the bridge has exceeded a normal design life of 50 years, according to Jason Toth, associate vice president for facilities and construction.
“The new bridge will be wider to accommodate more foot traffic. It will be very similar to the bridge behind the Center for Performing Arts,” Toth said. “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
All other bridges crossing the Ottawa River will be open during the project, which is scheduled to be complete July 31. Detour signs will be posted.
(05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
Constructed in the early 1960s, the bridge has exceeded a normal design life of 50 years, according to Jason Toth, associate vice president for facilities and construction.
“The new bridge will be wider to accommodate more foot traffic. It will be very similar to the bridge behind the Center for Performing Arts,” Toth said. “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
All other bridges crossing the Ottawa River will be open during the project, which is scheduled to be complete July 31. Detour signs will be posted.
Will the hand railing still be round? That thing was tough to walk across drunk at night.
(05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
... “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
gag
I kind of like its lived in look. Sometimes campus feels like they forgot to take the plastic off the cushions. A little different isn't a bad thing? It's a good thing?
It's a bridge approaching the stadium. I like that it can be painted, splashed, graffitied, shown some spirit.... and besides, giving a target for those activities MIGHT spare other potential targets of value.
Well, I'm sure it will look tempting to ride a horse drawn carriage over. Some nice old fashiony light will look good too. Probably a rusty steel statue of a kid, fishing...
(05-04-2018 08:39 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
Constructed in the early 1960s, the bridge has exceeded a normal design life of 50 years, according to Jason Toth, associate vice president for facilities and construction.
“The new bridge will be wider to accommodate more foot traffic. It will be very similar to the bridge behind the Center for Performing Arts,” Toth said. “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
All other bridges crossing the Ottawa River will be open during the project, which is scheduled to be complete July 31. Detour signs will be posted.
Will the hand railing still be round? That thing was tough to walk across drunk at night.
It will still be round, but there will be a new hand railing for it.
(05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
Constructed in the early 1960s, the bridge has exceeded a normal design life of 50 years, according to Jason Toth, associate vice president for facilities and construction.
“The new bridge will be wider to accommodate more foot traffic. It will be very similar to the bridge behind the Center for Performing Arts,” Toth said. “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
All other bridges crossing the Ottawa River will be open during the project, which is scheduled to be complete July 31. Detour signs will be posted.
NO! Will this new bridge also bounce up and down when you jump on it?
(05-05-2018 07:32 AM)letsgoblue Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
Constructed in the early 1960s, the bridge has exceeded a normal design life of 50 years, according to Jason Toth, associate vice president for facilities and construction.
“The new bridge will be wider to accommodate more foot traffic. It will be very similar to the bridge behind the Center for Performing Arts,” Toth said. “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
All other bridges crossing the Ottawa River will be open during the project, which is scheduled to be complete July 31. Detour signs will be posted.
NO! Will this new bridge also bounce up and down when you jump on it?
What would be the point if it didn’t?
(05-05-2018 08:24 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2018 08:43 PM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2018 08:04 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ]From UT:
The bridge located behind Carlson Library will be closed starting Monday, May 7, so the structure can be replaced.
... “The new bridge also will incorporate aesthetics that blend with the Gothic architecture on campus.”
gag
I kind of like its lived in look. Sometimes campus feels like they forgot to take the plastic off the cushions. A little different isn't a bad thing? It's a good thing?
It's a bridge approaching the stadium. I like that it can be painted, splashed, graffitied, shown some spirit.... and besides, giving a target for those activities MIGHT spare other potential targets of value.
Well, I'm sure it will look tempting to ride a horse drawn carriage over. Some nice old fashiony light will look good too. Probably a rusty steel statue of a kid, fishing...
...Spear fishing?
Can you imagine how many times they'd have to replace THAT? Better stick to hook. And now that it's been mentioned, with all the snowflake protocols necessary in this day and age, you suppose they'll put a net under the railings or just let nature take its course as intended?
It's always good news when it's construction news for UT because as beautiful as campus already is, it still needs a lot of work/renovations done. I worked at a Big Ten school recently and found out they strive for their campus to be at least 20% under construction at all times. Sure enough, there were plenty of renovations taking place. I wish Toledo received more state funding like that.
(05-06-2018 11:30 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote: [ -> ]It's always good news when it's construction news for UT because as beautiful as campus already is, it still needs a lot of work/renovations done. I worked at a Big Ten school recently and found out they strive for their campus to be at least 20% under construction at all times. Sure enough, there were plenty of renovations taking place. I wish Toledo received more state funding like that.
And when you can charge more for tuition and you have continued enrollment growth, your operating budget can also fund more construction-UT has neither of those conditions creating larger revenue year after year. UT also highly discounts tuition (over 85% of students, highest in Ohio) and had no or minimal annual tuition increases over last decade, and flat or declining enrollment. UT in the 1990s had 25,000 students, even with merger with MUO and adding Medical School, UT is still under 20,000.
Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
(05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
(05-07-2018 08:52 AM)NashHall61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
Maybe, but the BE revenue is a fly speck compared to the football driven P5 football schools. BE schools bring in an average of $4.5 million each from the conference, about twice what MAC schools get. By comparison, the Big Ten is paying out $40 million plus and rising quickly.
(05-07-2018 08:52 AM)NashHall61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
UT has changed considerably as well since the 1960s, and even since 2000 with numerous new buildings and renovations from more generous state capital funding that was available in the early 2000s-there is hardly a building on main campus that has not been renovated or in some cases removed and replaced.
(05-07-2018 09:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 08:52 AM)NashHall61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
Maybe, but the BE revenue is a fly speck compared to the football driven P5 football schools. BE schools bring in an average of $4.5 million each from the conference, about twice what MAC schools get. By comparison, the Big Ten is paying out $40 million plus and rising quickly.
Yea we should probably stop trying to compare UT to any of the P5 football schools or flagship state colleges, the differences in revenue are huge. For a mid sized public college UT is in pretty good shape in terms of facilities and buildings.
(05-07-2018 09:36 AM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 09:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 08:52 AM)NashHall61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
Maybe, but the BE revenue is a fly speck compared to the football driven P5 football schools. BE schools bring in an average of $4.5 million each from the conference, about twice what MAC schools get. By comparison, the Big Ten is paying out $40 million plus and rising quickly.
Yea we should probably stop trying to compare UT to any of the P5 football schools or flagship state colleges, the differences in revenue are huge. For a mid sized public college UT is in pretty good shape in terms of facilities and buildings.
I'd compare the change in campus from the 60s to now against anybody. I never set foot on campus I think until the 90s but have seen old photos.
One of my points is UT never should have attempted to compare to a P5. That's not UT's niche. Some don't like to admit they need a niche, but they do. Not everyone wants to go to a mega campus and few can afford actual tuition at a small quant private, whether LA to Tech school. But it does need to do that niche better, while looking modern.
The most affordable improvements are always instruction. These are sweat equity intensive if you've got the leadership and the training and place those demands with will.
UT (IN MY opinion/experience for the irrationally homeristic) doesn't have that. They will say "do it this way" but not "train to do it this way." They are primarily a "get someone to fill the front of the room" school at the core subject areas and it's strongly a "who you know" fill-in the blanks place, not a competitive and value-added place, regardless what marketing might want to throw out. I'm not talking about a subjective "engaging." I'm talking about objectively constructing a simple instructional activity or learning environment. It's way too hit-or-miss.
And for the slathering, I still have those rankings on my side. Listen to my observations, don't listen. But not listening is how the University got in this mess of becoming the "only option."
Regardless what spin anyone wants to put on their personal experience at the school, it's those rankings that don't care what marketing says.
Those rankings don't care about "GPA's. They care what graduates do on their professional tests. They care what graduates go on to accomplish. They care more about the whole then the individual strengths.
(05-07-2018 10:26 AM)eastisbest Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 09:36 AM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 09:25 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (05-07-2018 08:52 AM)NashHall61 Wrote: [ -> ] (05-06-2018 12:31 PM)San Giuseppe Jato Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Thanks to amazing lack of imagination, it's got less charm than an I475 ODOT replacement bridge.
It's way overdue but I will miss the "bounciness"
I received a second degree from Seton Hall prior to their participation in the Big East. The campus was small and pretty antiquated in the late 60's when I attended. I returned recently for one of the few BB games that they still play on campus, and was surprised to see how the campus had drastically changed over the years. Besides internal support and donations I would think a large part of their campus improvement $$$$$$ comes from their sports affiliation with the Big East. I sure Toledo doesn't get anywhere near the financial support from being a Mid American Conference member!
Maybe, but the BE revenue is a fly speck compared to the football driven P5 football schools. BE schools bring in an average of $4.5 million each from the conference, about twice what MAC schools get. By comparison, the Big Ten is paying out $40 million plus and rising quickly.
Yea we should probably stop trying to compare UT to any of the P5 football schools or flagship state colleges, the differences in revenue are huge. For a mid sized public college UT is in pretty good shape in terms of facilities and buildings.
I'd compare the change in campus from the 60s to now against anybody. I never set foot on campus I think until the 90s but have seen old photos.
One of my points is UT never should have attempted to compare to a P5. That's not UT's niche. Some don't like to admit they need a niche, but they do. Not everyone wants to go to a mega campus and few can afford actual tuition at a small quant private, whether LA to Tech school. But it does need to do that niche better, while looking modern.
The most affordable improvements are always instruction. These are sweat equity intensive if you've got the leadership and the training and place those demands with will.
UT (IN MY opinion/experience for the irrationally homeristic) doesn't have that. They will say "do it this way" but not "train to do it this way." They are primarily a "get someone to fill the front of the room" school at the core subject areas and it's strongly a "who you know" fill-in the blanks place, not a competitive and value-added place, regardless what marketing might want to throw out. I'm not talking about a subjective "engaging." I'm talking about objectively constructing a simple instructional activity or learning environment. It's way too hit-or-miss.
And for the slathering, I still have those rankings on my side. Listen to my observations, don't listen. But not listening is how the University got in this mess of becoming the "only option."
Regardless what spin anyone wants to put on their personal experience at the school, it's those rankings that don't care what marketing says.
Those rankings don't care about "GPA's. They care what graduates do on their professional tests. They care what graduates go on to accomplish. They care more about the whole then the individual strengths.
Not so sure from a marketing or recruitment or administrative view that UT ever viewed itself as a P5, but adding and improving buildings has allowed for enhancement of the learning, living and recreational environments-often to meet needs and demands of students. Also allows UT to compete with our peers in Southern Michigan and across Ohio, where majority of our students come from. And with 12 colleges, including professional schools, and 3000+ graduates each year it is also very difficult to characterize the student population including their learning and ability to succeed at school and after graduation. Yes the open enrollment policy draws often from unprepared and unmotivated students, but there are also many students with high HS GPA choosing to come to UT and do very well here and in careers (I know of hundreds I have taught). As to rankings, UT is hurt by low 5 and 6 yr graduation rates due to the open enrollment policy as those cohorts of students (largely in a few colleges) really draw down the numbers. But those students, plus College Credit Plus concurrent HS enrolled students, that get the total enrollment at a level (19,000) to provide revenue for sustaining the operation of the university.
(05-07-2018 11:16 AM)PaulJ Wrote: [ -> ]Not so sure from a marketing or recruitment or administrative view that UT ever viewed itself as a P5, but adding and improving buildings has allowed for enhancement of the learning, living and recreational environments-often to meet needs and demands of students. Also allows UT to compete with our peers in Southern Michigan and across Ohio, where majority of our students come from. And with 12 colleges, including professional schools, and 3000+ graduates each year it is also very difficult to characterize the student population including their learning and ability to succeed at school and after graduation. Yes the open enrollment policy draws often from unprepared and unmotivated students, but there are also many students with high HS GPA choosing to come to UT and do very well here and in careers (I know of hundreds I have taught). As to rankings, UT is hurt by low 5 and 6 yr graduation rates due to the open enrollment policy as those cohorts of students (largely in a few colleges) really draw down the numbers. But those students, plus College Credit Plus concurrent HS enrolled students, that get the total enrollment at a level (19,000) to provide revenue for sustaining the operation of the university.
It's shallow marketing and damaging to even intimate that UT is falling back on pretty buildings and aged recreational facilities to bring up academic quality.
The ONLY thing relevant to improved education, is improved education. Not the building in which it takes place.
UT is not ranked THIS low, because of open enrollment. And there's some chicken and eggs there too. If they hadn't fallen so far in the rankings, state would have had a difficult time mandating that open enrollment. The students didn't make this mess. Stop blaming them. And if you really think creating an atmosphere of "blame the student" will raise retention?
But given it exists, it is still UT's job to raise that student up and to RETAIN, not with lowering course standards or raising GPAs but by helping students develop learning skills. Focus one, and all else will follow. KISS.
buildings. smh
Randon thoughts:
Back in the '80s UT had a "scholars" program and actively recruited the top students in the region. What happened with that? What is the average of tenured academics at UT?
What has UT done recruiting new blood out of top Universities? At one point there was the use of adjuncts(usually a cost savings measure), but I thought it brought in a few more movers and shakers, at least into the College of Business.
To me you have to have it all for students: Brick and mortar. Great academics and social life. Post University- a strong alumni network.