Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
SEC + Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, TCU
ACC + Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia, Kansas, Kansas St, Iowa St, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston
(04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
You and I were talking about equitable value the other day. And while there is some jest here, the simple truth is those would be the best schools for the ACC to get rid of but for slightly different reasons.
And what is mentioned below your post doesn't miss the mark by far. If a true trade was to occur that would cement the ACC clearly in the top 3 if not top two conferences then trading Duke and UNC along with Virginia to the SEC who then could add T.C.U. to the West and pick up Kansas, and Oklahoma State would give us a grouping that we would be academically happy about from the ACC, plus Kansas, and would give us the penetration and presence in DFW that we want market wise (OSU/TCU).
The the ACC could do the following:
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame in full.
And add Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Iowa State.
Add Cincinnati
So now your conference would look like this:
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Boston College, Syracuse, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest
Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
This does amplify your football value and profile.
Now you likely have division champs that include Louisville/West Virginia, Notre Dame/Virginia Tech, Clemson/F.S.U., Texas/Oklahoma.
With those likely pairings the ACC semis and finals go through the roof in value.
What it does for the SEC is equally good.
Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
Now our set up rebuilds the Tennessee brand for football and the likely winner of that division could well be Tennessee or North Carolina, followed by Alabama/L.S.U., followed by Texas A&M/T.C.U./Oklahoma State, followed by Auburn/Florida/Georgia.
That too tremendously enhances the values of our Semis.
Now that could work well for both conferences and the ACC in particular because now you are rid of the old cadre that has held football back.
(04-20-2018 12:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
You and I were talking about equitable value the other day. And while there is some jest here, the simple truth is those would be the best schools for the ACC to get rid of but for slightly different reasons.
And what is mentioned below your post doesn't miss the mark by far. If a true trade was to occur that would cement the ACC clearly in the top 3 if not top two conferences then trading Duke and UNC along with Virginia to the SEC who then could add T.C.U. to the West and pick up Kansas, and Oklahoma State would give us a grouping that we would be academically happy about from the ACC, plus Kansas, and would give us the penetration and presence in DFW that we want market wise (OSU/TCU).
The the ACC could do the following:
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame in full.
And add Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Iowa State.
Add Cincinnati
So now your conference would look like this:
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Boston College, Syracuse, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest
Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
This does amplify your football value and profile.
Now you likely have division champs that include Louisville/West Virginia, Notre Dame/Virginia Tech, Clemson/F.S.U., Texas/Oklahoma.
With those likely pairings the ACC semis and finals go through the roof in value.
What it does for the SEC is equally good.
Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
Now our set up rebuilds the Tennessee brand for football and the likely winner of that division could well be Tennessee or North Carolina, followed by Alabama/L.S.U., followed by Texas A&M/T.C.U./Oklahoma State, followed by Auburn/Florida/Georgia.
That too tremendously enhances the values of our Semis.
Now that could work well for both conferences and the ACC in particular because now you are rid of the old cadre that has held football back.
That would be some nice balanced conferences.
(04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
If UVa and Carolina ever leave the ACC, it will be with Duke and Georgia Tech and the four of will be headed to the B1G.
(04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
BTW, Mark, VT might need to start worrying about its own status . There seems to be some new evidence to suggest that it wasn't NC State (which we expect and can accept) but Virginia Tech that was the ringleader in keeping our situation stirred up with the NCAA.
(04-21-2018 01:17 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
BTW, Mark, VT might need to start worrying about its own status . There seems to be some new evidence to suggest that it wasn't NC State (which we expect and can accept) but Virginia Tech that was the ringleader in keeping our situation stirred up with the NCAA.
Why would VT worry about its status?
As if the SEC wouldn't embrace them with open arms...
(04-21-2018 01:17 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]...There seems to be some new evidence to suggest that it wasn't NC State (which we expect and can accept) but Virginia Tech that was the ringleader in keeping our situation stirred up with the NCAA.
News to me. I'm not aware of any reason VT would even care about that...
(04-21-2018 01:17 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
BTW, Mark, VT might need to start worrying about its own status . There seems to be some new evidence to suggest that it wasn't NC State (which we expect and can accept) but Virginia Tech that was the ringleader in keeping our situation stirred up with the NCAA.
So VT was tired of you cheating in basketball? Can’t blame them. Also, I wonder who spilled the beans on Kansas?
(04-20-2018 12:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
You and I were talking about equitable value the other day. And while there is some jest here, the simple truth is those would be the best schools for the ACC to get rid of but for slightly different reasons.
And what is mentioned below your post doesn't miss the mark by far. If a true trade was to occur that would cement the ACC clearly in the top 3 if not top two conferences then trading Duke and UNC along with Virginia to the SEC who then could add T.C.U. to the West and pick up Kansas, and Oklahoma State would give us a grouping that we would be academically happy about from the ACC, plus Kansas, and would give us the penetration and presence in DFW that we want market wise (OSU/TCU).
The the ACC could do the following:
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame in full.
And add Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Iowa State.
Add Cincinnati
So now your conference would look like this:
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Boston College, Syracuse, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest
Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
This does amplify your football value and profile.
Now you likely have division champs that include Louisville/West Virginia, Notre Dame/Virginia Tech, Clemson/F.S.U., Texas/Oklahoma.
With those likely pairings the ACC semis and finals go through the roof in value.
What it does for the SEC is equally good.
Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
Now our set up rebuilds the Tennessee brand for football and the likely winner of that division could well be Tennessee or North Carolina, followed by Alabama/L.S.U., followed by Texas A&M/T.C.U./Oklahoma State, followed by Auburn/Florida/Georgia.
That too tremendously enhances the values of our Semis.
Now that could work well for both conferences and the ACC in particular because now you are rid of the old cadre that has held football back.
Sec at 20? If that’s the case, I could see the SEC pushing for Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and North Carolina....probably Texas too.
(04-21-2018 05:58 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 12:12 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
You and I were talking about equitable value the other day. And while there is some jest here, the simple truth is those would be the best schools for the ACC to get rid of but for slightly different reasons.
And what is mentioned below your post doesn't miss the mark by far. If a true trade was to occur that would cement the ACC clearly in the top 3 if not top two conferences then trading Duke and UNC along with Virginia to the SEC who then could add T.C.U. to the West and pick up Kansas, and Oklahoma State would give us a grouping that we would be academically happy about from the ACC, plus Kansas, and would give us the penetration and presence in DFW that we want market wise (OSU/TCU).
The the ACC could do the following:
Add West Virginia and Notre Dame in full.
And add Texas, Baylor, Texas Tech, Oklahoma, Kansas State, and Iowa State.
Add Cincinnati
So now your conference would look like this:
Cincinnati, Iowa State, Louisville, Pittsburgh, West Virginia
Boston College, Syracuse, N.C. State, Notre Dame, Virginia Tech
Clemson, Florida State, Georgia Tech, Miami, Wake Forest
Baylor, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Texas, Texas Tech
This does amplify your football value and profile.
Now you likely have division champs that include Louisville/West Virginia, Notre Dame/Virginia Tech, Clemson/F.S.U., Texas/Oklahoma.
With those likely pairings the ACC semis and finals go through the roof in value.
What it does for the SEC is equally good.
Duke, North Carolina, Kentucky, Tennessee, Virginia
Alabama, Arkansas, Louisiana State, Mississippi, Mississippi State
Kansas, Missouri, Oklahoma State, Texas A&M, T.C.U.
Auburn, Florida, Georgia, South Carolina, Vanderbilt
Now our set up rebuilds the Tennessee brand for football and the likely winner of that division could well be Tennessee or North Carolina, followed by Alabama/L.S.U., followed by Texas A&M/T.C.U./Oklahoma State, followed by Auburn/Florida/Georgia.
That too tremendously enhances the values of our Semis.
Now that could work well for both conferences and the ACC in particular because now you are rid of the old cadre that has held football back.
Sec at 20? If that’s the case, I could see the SEC pushing for Oklahoma, Virginia Tech, and North Carolina....probably Texas too.
Not exactly. It's what division of the Big 12 would be possible if UNC, UVa, and Duke weren't afraid of losing control of their conference. The solution depicted here is to move those three so that growth can happen in the ACC without rancor.
(04-20-2018 04:32 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
If UVa and Carolina ever leave the ACC, it will be with Duke and Georgia Tech and the four of will be headed to the B1G.
Three basketball schools and a broke fixer upper? Yeah that'll fly.
UNC and UVA are the prime adds the SEC needs over anyone else and filling in the last major hole in the SEC footprint.
And if we needed to, we could and should bring Duke and VT as well and hey, grab FSU and Clemson just to secure the brands we need
SEC West
Texas A&M, Louisiana State, Arkansas, Ole Miss, Missouri
SEC Central
Miss State, Alabama, Auburn, Tennessee, Kentucky
SEC South
Florida, Florida State, South Carolina, Clemson, Georgia
SEC North
North Carolina, Duke, Vanderbilt, Virginia, Virginia Tech
9 game Everyone plays the 4 other teams in their division, 2 protected annual games to maintain old rivalries like Tennessee-Florida and other newer ones like North Carolina-South Carolina then 3 rotating games in each of other 3 divisions
As much as I would love a lot of these scenarios being played out, I don't see the Carolina\UVA mafia playing along to this. I feel there is a higher probability of UVA, Duke, & UNC staying behind in a demoted ACC (for football but Power level for all other sports) with the ACC "non-desirables" while the B1G and SEC pick up the valuables. Granted I don't believe any of this will happen for a few reasons:
1.) ESPN will want to keep their property alive
2.) The SEC needs the ACC as a buffer from the B1G
3.) State politics causing schools to stay put\together
4.) Amount of money necessary for these moves will probably be massive\ not worth it because of GoR in place
5.) Conferences will essentially become leagues, how will they make it work realistically (they won't add extra games to the schedule)
6.) Chookity Bock!
(04-23-2018 01:32 PM)The Grassy Nole Wrote: [ -> ]As much as I would love a lot of these scenarios being played out, I don't see the Carolina\UVA mafia playing along to this. I feel there is a higher probability of UVA, Duke, & UNC staying behind in a demoted ACC (for football but Power level for all other sports) with the ACC "non-desirables" while the B1G and SEC pick up the valuables. Granted I don't believe any of this will happen for a few reasons:
1.) ESPN will want to keep their property alive
2.) The SEC needs the ACC as a buffer from the B1G
3.) State politics causing schools to stay put\together
4.) Amount of money necessary for these moves will probably be massive\ not worth it because of GoR in place
5.) Conferences will essentially become leagues, how will they make it work realistically (they won't add extra games to the schedule)
6.) Chookity Bock!
Of course, but it's the off season and news is slow........so......
(04-20-2018 08:36 AM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]SEC + Virginia, North Carolina, Duke, Oklahoma, Oklahoma St, Kansas
ACC + Texas, Texas Tech, West Virginia, TCU, Kansas St, Iowa St, Cincinnati, Memphis, Houston
Fifty
I think the restoration of Mizzou-KU and regionalism for KU would fit them and adding another academic school would help the sec. also, another blue blood in basketball doesn’t hurt
(04-21-2018 11:37 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 04:32 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ] (04-20-2018 02:45 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]Gets the SEC into (1) North Carolina and (2) Virginia... eliminates two mouths for the ACC football schools to feed*. Then perhaps the ACC could add (1) WVU, (2) Iowa St, (3) Kansas St, (4) TCU, (5) Texas and (6) Baylor, while the SEC adds (3) OU, (4) OSU, (5) Kansas and (6) Texas Tech. Both conferences at 20. DONE.
* I'd like to send Wake Forest and Duke but this is a theoretical, not a fantasy.
If UVa and Carolina ever leave the ACC, it will be with Duke and Georgia Tech and the four of will be headed to the B1G.
Three basketball schools and a broke fixer upper? Yeah that'll fly.
Well, they will give us our own "pod", pay us and leave us alone, plus it's a whole lot better than joining the SEC SEC SEC.