Prosecutors revealed on Wednesday that Omar Mateen intended to attack Disney World
but decided against it after being spooked by nearby police officers.
Sweeney showed a video of the Disney Springs complex that captured Mateen walking near the House of Blues club in the hours before the Pulse attack. In it, he looks behind him at police officers standing nearby.
"He had to choose a new target," she said.
How dare the police protect children with guns.
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/pul...ay-n860786
Wow. The Pulse Nightclub was really bad....but kids at Disney....eeeks. When I took my kids there years ago it was during a period when we were under an elevated terrorism alert. Before the park opens a huge crowd gathers at the entry gates waiting for them to open. Never will forget how uneasy I was during those moments just prior to open as I realized this is just the kind of target terrorists would look for.
(03-29-2018 11:01 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Wow. The Pulse Nightclub was really bad....but kids at Disney....eeeks. When I took my kids there years ago it was during a period when we were under an elevated terrorism alert. Before the park opens a huge crowd gathers at the entry gates waiting for them to open. Never will forget how uneasy I was during those moments just prior to open as I realized this is just the kind of target terrorists would look for.
Mateen bought a baby carriage to hide his rifle and wanted to sneak into Disney.
(03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever. 
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
(03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
(03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
(03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Oh please, school systems have so much low hanging fruit and wasteful spending.
That idiot administrator in Baltimore spent 100K to send kids to march.
(03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
Most avid shooters have more training than the average police officer who only fires his weapon once a year at qualification.
For that matter my son who is currently serving in a combat arm of the US Army says that up until they deployed to Kuwait for training he fired a weapon less in the Army than he did as a civilian.
(03-29-2018 12:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Oh please, school systems have so much low hanging fruit and wasteful spending.
That idiot administrator in Baltimore spent 100K to send kids to march.
Completely false. Their finances are public record..go look your local district up. When I audited schools several years ago in Ohio, around 90-94% of their budgets were tied up in salaries, benefits, property, plant and equipment (including utilities).
(03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:48 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How dare the police protect children with guns.
Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
(03-29-2018 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Oh please, school systems have so much low hanging fruit and wasteful spending.
That idiot administrator in Baltimore spent 100K to send kids to march.
Completely false. Their finances are public record..go look your local district up. When I audited schools several years ago in Ohio, around 90-94% of their budgets were tied up in salaries, benefits, property, plant and equipment (including utilities).
I can definitely attest to the line item budget amounts for multiple school systems in the Memphis / West TN area.
Wages, Salaries and Benefits definitely make up 75%+ in
any school district's budget. Easy.
Facilities, Transportation... now you're 90% at least.
Actual text books, classroom materials, etc -- waaaaaaayyyyy down on the list.
And just so everyone understands the revenue sources...
For Shelby County Schools (Memphis area) the 2014-15 actuals were:
~45% State
~40% Local
~15% Federal
Given this is a metro school system that federal number is a bit higher than it is for the surrounding municipalities.
Quote:Federal grants include grants like Title I, IDEA Part B, and Head Start. Title I funds aim to bridge the gap between low-income students and other students by
providing each child with fair and equal opportunities to achieve an exceptional education. IDEA ensures students with disabilities receive a free appropriate public education. Head Start is a comprehensive program designed to foster the healthy development of young children. Additional information on these programs is provided in the Special Revenue fund section.
Because a school system accepts federal $$$ they become subject to federal guidelines, even if the money is dedicated to specific programs. If the feds push gender sensitivity and the school accepts fed $$$ they have to provide courses/training.
They also have to participate in the national Dept of Ed program du jour such as Common Core.
I would like our local district to drop federal funds and rid itself of having to follow fed guidelines. But like the Dems, our GOP reps love that federal money.
(03-29-2018 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
Why not? What if a given full time teacher
wanted to go through the training? Why would you care?
(03-29-2018 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Oh please, school systems have so much low hanging fruit and wasteful spending.
That idiot administrator in Baltimore spent 100K to send kids to march.
Completely false. Their finances are public record..go look your local district up. When I audited schools several years ago in Ohio, around 90-94% of their budgets were tied up in salaries, benefits, property, plant and equipment (including utilities).
Are diversity classes included in the total budget?
(03-29-2018 01:11 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
Why not? What if a given full time teacher wanted to go through the training? Why would you care?
Because I want them teaching kids. Devoting time to improving that craft. Not trying to master two.
(03-29-2018 02:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 01:11 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
Why not? What if a given full time teacher wanted to go through the training? Why would you care?
Because I want them teaching kids. Devoting time to improving that craft. Not trying to master two.
Would it be ok to take a break from teaching if the class gets disturbed by a mass shooter?
(03-29-2018 02:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 01:11 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
Why not? What if a given full time teacher wanted to go through the training? Why would you care?
Because I want them teaching kids. Devoting time to improving that craft. Not trying to master two.
Straw man.
I'm sure most who are interested would be more than willing to donate their own personal free time for it. It doesn't have to take any time at all away from their teaching duties.
(03-29-2018 02:34 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 02:25 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 01:11 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:36 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]Does one have to be law enforcement to be trained?
What if a private citizen went through similar training and background checks? Would you not trust that person? Does it really have to be someone who dedicated their life to police work?
No, doesn't have to be a police officer. But it should not be someone who also teaches full time.
Why not? What if a given full time teacher wanted to go through the training? Why would you care?
Because I want them teaching kids. Devoting time to improving that craft. Not trying to master two.
Straw man.
I'm sure most who are interested would be more than willing to donate their own personal free time for it. It doesn't have to take any time at all away from their teaching duties.
Of course, rather obvious.
(03-29-2018 12:34 PM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:07 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:41 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:37 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:29 AM)Redwingtom Wrote: [ -> ]Said no one ever.
So have armed security inside schools is a good idea, right?
Trained law enforcement personnel...of course...next to no one has ever said that was a bad idea. The problem is that very few would want their taxes raised by the substantial amount necessary to fund it for every school in America.
Oh please, school systems have so much low hanging fruit and wasteful spending.
That idiot administrator in Baltimore spent 100K to send kids to march.
Completely false. Their finances are public record..go look your local district up. When I audited schools several years ago in Ohio, around 90-94% of their budgets were tied up in salaries, benefits, property, plant and equipment (including utilities).
That doesn't mean that they are financially efficient.
I didn't look at the claim, but history tells me to suspect much of that 100k being attributed to 'sending kids to march' also includes salaries and benefits for administrators who facilitated it, chaperoned it, talked about it in class, did things other than teaching regular classes because of it
Budgets can easily be inflated... (the 100k claim likely is).... especially public budgets... because few know if we need 3 or 4 principals, but the moment we discuss cutting back from 4 to 3, someone will claim we aren't supporting education.
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