With all of the commotion about athletic budgets, I would wager 50% of colleges subsidize their athletic programs with student fees. Every MAC school does this and WMU is virtually using the same amount of student fees as EMU. Where is Kent, BG, Akron, Ball State, CMU, etc on using student fees?
I'm for EMU supporting all 21 sports with a caveat: 1) FB, MBB, and Hockey would be supported by scholarship athletes because they reciprocate revenue back to the school. 2) Olympic sports would be supported by club athletes or recreational leagues. These programs do not reciprocate value back to the school so no athletic scholarships.
Title 9 is really a communistic social mechanism teaching our young adults about entitlement.
Yes I realize some WBB may generate revenue but that is more of an exception over the rule and TV ratings indicate not many people care about the sport.
We should drop all male scholarship sports except FB, MBB and add hockey to the championship building plan!
Go Eagles!
http://sports.usatoday.com/ncaa/finances/
Hundreds - not dozens - HUNDREDS of schools subsidize their college athletics programs.
Kent state: $19,288,226
BGSU:$12,528,362
Akron: $23,813,277
WMU: $24,248,036
CMU: $21,726,181
EMU: $24,307,633
Look i want to add Hockey as much as the next guy - as someone who has ties to Boston University (GO TERRIERS) I know first hand how much fun a men's AND women's team can be - but hockey ISNT a revenue sport at most schools that offer it. Folding football and adding hockey is a bad idea.
All of our sports lose money if you're comparing direct revenue to expenses. But not all money matters are obvious. Take wrestling, for example. I believe they have less than ten scholarships, yet 20 or more wrestlers. It could be that we have ten or more student athletes paying their own way because of wrestling. There is revenue to the U that is overlooked.
Let's not forget that a very large source of income for the fb program is when we're scheduled by P5 schools looking for a victory. It backfired on Rutgers, but that's Rutgers. It has only happened once. Purdue scheduled us this year. They're counting on us to be one of their six wins to be bowl eligible. That's a bit embarrassing. They see us as tackling dummies.
You do realize that EMU is nationally known for their outstanding Track/Cross Country program, right? Track and field is much more essential than a regional sport like hockey!!! And I love hockey.
(03-29-2018 10:04 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]With all of the commotion about athletic budgets, I would wager 50% of colleges subsidize their athletic programs with student fees. Every MAC school does this and WMU is virtually using the same amount of student fees as EMU. Where is Kent, BG, Akron, Ball State, CMU, etc on using student fees?
I'm for EMU supporting all 21 sports with a caveat: 1) FB, MBB, and Hockey would be supported by scholarship athletes because they reciprocate revenue back to the school. 2) Olympic sports would be supported by club athletes or recreational leagues. These programs do not reciprocate value back to the school so no athletic scholarships.
Title 9 is really a communistic social mechanism teaching our young adults about entitlement.
Yes I realize some WBB may generate revenue but that is more of an exception over the rule and TV ratings indicate not many people care about the sport.
We should drop all male scholarship sports except FB, MBB and add hockey to the championship building plan!
Go Eagles!
Sir, you just created the cardinal sin of public discourse: Posting (talking) about something you know nothing about.
This article which I saw re-printed this week (think in the New York Times) essentially chronicles what women's basketball was like not before UConn, but before Title IX. Title IX came into being in 1972 and NCAA WBB came 10 years later.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/sport...yland.html
It was the dark ages of women's sports. It wasn't until Title IX that the playing field started to level out.
Surely, you have heard the story of how Jock Semple who attacked a woman who attempted to run the 1967 Boston Marathon (she entered using her first initial instead of her first name). Women marathoners are now as prevalent as men. I ran about 2/3 of the 1978 Boston Marathon with a woman. The crowds loved her.
The Civil Rights Acts of 1965, Title IX, etc. was an effort by government to get folks to do by statute what they should do freely with their hearts...
(03-29-2018 10:04 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]With all of the commotion about athletic budgets, I would wager 50% of colleges subsidize their athletic programs with student fees. Every MAC school does this and WMU is virtually using the same amount of student fees as EMU. Where is Kent, BG, Akron, Ball State, CMU, etc on using student fees?
I'm for EMU supporting all 21 sports with a caveat: 1) FB, MBB, and Hockey would be supported by scholarship athletes because they reciprocate revenue back to the school. 2) Olympic sports would be supported by club athletes or recreational leagues. These programs do not reciprocate value back to the school so no athletic scholarships.
Title 9 is really a communistic social mechanism teaching our young adults about entitlement.
Yes I realize some WBB may generate revenue but that is more of an exception over the rule and TV ratings indicate not many people care about the sport.
We should drop all male scholarship sports except FB, MBB and add hockey to the championship building plan!
Go Eagles!
Had to reread this post. Yup, it was as dumb as I initially thought. Bad post. I'm giving this an F.
(03-29-2018 10:38 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:04 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]With all of the commotion about athletic budgets, I would wager 50% of colleges subsidize their athletic programs with student fees. Every MAC school does this and WMU is virtually using the same amount of student fees as EMU. Where is Kent, BG, Akron, Ball State, CMU, etc on using student fees?
I'm for EMU supporting all 21 sports with a caveat: 1) FB, MBB, and Hockey would be supported by scholarship athletes because they reciprocate revenue back to the school. 2) Olympic sports would be supported by club athletes or recreational leagues. These programs do not reciprocate value back to the school so no athletic scholarships.
Title 9 is really a communistic social mechanism teaching our young adults about entitlement.
Yes I realize some WBB may generate revenue but that is more of an exception over the rule and TV ratings indicate not many people care about the sport.
We should drop all male scholarship sports except FB, MBB and add hockey to the championship building plan!
Go Eagles!
Sir, you just created the cardinal sin of public discourse: Posting (talking) about something you know nothing about.
This article which I saw re-printed this week (think in the New York Times) essentially chronicles what women's basketball was like not before UConn, but before Title IX. Title IX came into being in 1972 and NCAA WBB came 10 years later.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/sport...yland.html
It was the dark ages of women's sports. It wasn't until Title IX that the playing field started to level out.
Surely, you have heard the story of how Jock Semple who attacked a woman who attempted to run the 1967 Boston Marathon (she entered using her first initial instead of her first name). Women marathoners are now as prevalent as men. I ran about 2/3 of the 1978 Boston Marathon with a woman. The crowds loved her.
The Civil Rights Acts of 1965, Title IX, etc. was an effort by government to get folks to do by statute what they should do freely with their hearts...
Steve, what is your point? God bless the women who run in Boston Marathon. I encourage her to do so.
Majority doesn't care care about college track and field.
Football is King in this country!
(03-29-2018 10:36 AM)Bob Wickersham Wrote: [ -> ]You do realize that EMU is nationally known for their outstanding Track/Cross Country program, right? Track and field is much more essential than a regional sport like hockey!!! And I love hockey.
Known by few I believe and yet still no one cares. What was the MAC's attendance for T&F?
Let the student athletes run recreationally.
(03-29-2018 10:50 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:38 AM)emu steve Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:04 AM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]With all of the commotion about athletic budgets, I would wager 50% of colleges subsidize their athletic programs with student fees. Every MAC school does this and WMU is virtually using the same amount of student fees as EMU. Where is Kent, BG, Akron, Ball State, CMU, etc on using student fees?
I'm for EMU supporting all 21 sports with a caveat: 1) FB, MBB, and Hockey would be supported by scholarship athletes because they reciprocate revenue back to the school. 2) Olympic sports would be supported by club athletes or recreational leagues. These programs do not reciprocate value back to the school so no athletic scholarships.
Title 9 is really a communistic social mechanism teaching our young adults about entitlement.
Yes I realize some WBB may generate revenue but that is more of an exception over the rule and TV ratings indicate not many people care about the sport.
We should drop all male scholarship sports except FB, MBB and add hockey to the championship building plan!
Go Eagles!
Sir, you just created the cardinal sin of public discourse: Posting (talking) about something you know nothing about.
This article which I saw re-printed this week (think in the New York Times) essentially chronicles what women's basketball was like not before UConn, but before Title IX. Title IX came into being in 1972 and NCAA WBB came 10 years later.
https://www.nytimes.com/2010/12/19/sport...yland.html
It was the dark ages of women's sports. It wasn't until Title IX that the playing field started to level out.
Surely, you have heard the story of how Jock Semple who attacked a woman who attempted to run the 1967 Boston Marathon (she entered using her first initial instead of her first name). Women marathoners are now as prevalent as men. I ran about 2/3 of the 1978 Boston Marathon with a woman. The crowds loved her.
The Civil Rights Acts of 1965, Title IX, etc. was an effort by government to get folks to do by statute what they should do freely with their hearts...
Majority doesn't care care about college track and field.
Football is King in this country!
Let me try it this way...
At EMU I assume the total cost of athletics is say 32M. Men's sports raise 7M. Women's not much.
So 25M is subsidized by the students, taxpayers, etc.
So it is fair that men sports can spent 20M (of that 25M) and women 5M?
Where you get economic equality is in the pros. NBA and WNBA each operate on different financial models as men's hoops is much more popular than women's.
But there are no student subsidies, no tax payer subsidies (not paying salaries), etc. so that is essentially the market place determining revenues and expenditures. Steph and LeBron are rich young men.
And I don't think folks feel that is unfair. Both are entertainment, but one is more popular spectator sport.
That is the way it is in sports. Long distance runners never got anything other than Olympic medals. MLB players became millionaires before turning 30.
Dude, you come up with some pretty strNge stuff sometimes. Regardless what you think, the college experience is supposed to be equal for everyone enrolled - whether acadeically or athletically. I have no issues with Title IX, edpecially being the dad of two daughters.
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(03-29-2018 11:53 AM)HuronRob Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, you come up with some pretty strNge stuff sometimes. Regardless what you think, the college experience is supposed to be equal for everyone enrolled - whether acadeically or athletically. I have no issues with Title IX, edpecially being the dad of two daughters.
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Inequality: we have around 60%+ female students
Inequality is only an issue when men are over represented.
(03-29-2018 12:01 PM)ljmhurons Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 11:53 AM)HuronRob Wrote: [ -> ]Dude, you come up with some pretty strNge stuff sometimes. Regardless what you think, the college experience is supposed to be equal for everyone enrolled - whether acadeically or athletically. I have no issues with Title IX, edpecially being the dad of two daughters.
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Inequality: we have around 60%+ female students
Inequality is only an issue when men are over represented.
Prior to Title IX women’s sport were very under represented. So, what you’re telling me is the total student athlete population is still under represented by women. Because...it is unlikely that women make up 60% of the student athletes at EMU.
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(03-29-2018 10:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote: [ -> ]Kent state: $19,288,226
BGSU:$12,528,362
Akron: $23,813,277
WMU: $24,248,036
CMU: $21,726,181
EMU: $24,307,633
FYI, just for people who are looking at this, that data is 2 years old. The subsidy amount has decreased the past 2 years.
And also: look how close WMU is to us. Why don't they ever catch ****? Our rate will probably be lower than theirs after this year.
(03-29-2018 12:19 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote: [ -> ]Kent state: $19,288,226
BGSU:$12,528,362
Akron: $23,813,277
WMU: $24,248,036
CMU: $21,726,181
EMU: $24,307,633
FYI, just for people who are looking at this, that data is 2 years old. The subsidy amount has decreased the past 2 years.
And also: look how close WMU is to us. Why don't they ever catch ****? Our rate will probably be lower than theirs after this year.
Toledo $14,759,749
(03-29-2018 12:46 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 12:19 PM)FrankAnderson Wrote: [ -> ] (03-29-2018 10:28 AM)dansplaining Wrote: [ -> ]Kent state: $19,288,226
BGSU:$12,528,362
Akron: $23,813,277
WMU: $24,248,036
CMU: $21,726,181
EMU: $24,307,633
FYI, just for people who are looking at this, that data is 2 years old. The subsidy amount has decreased the past 2 years.
And also: look how close WMU is to us. Why don't they ever catch ****? Our rate will probably be lower than theirs after this year.
Toledo $14,759,749
Shoo
As of 2013:
"Just 23 of 228 athletics departments at NCAA Division I public schools generated enough money on their own to cover their expenses in 2012. Of that group, 16 also received some type of subsidy — and 10 of those 16 athletics departments received more subsidy money in 2012 than they did in 2011."
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...s/2142443/
I feel if colleges were allowed to concentrate their resources on the big three sports, most colleges, including MAC schools, could get their athletic budgets in the black. The extra focus would also enable these schools to improve all aspects of each sport in terms of quality and promotion too. For example, if the MAC promoted the conference more, attendance would increase generating even more revenue.
For those of you who disagree with me, you're saying that even though we only like watching Football and Men's basketball, we're going to penalize our tax payers and unjustifiably burden them. Correct?
(03-29-2018 03:05 PM)Luckeyone Wrote: [ -> ]I feel if colleges were allowed to concentrate their resources on the big three sports, most colleges, including MAC schools, could get their athletic budgets in the black. The extra focus would also enable these schools to improve all aspects of each sport in terms of quality and promotion too. For example, if the MAC promoted the conference more, attendance would increase generating even more revenue.
For those of you who disagree with me, you're saying that even though we only like watching Football and Men's basketball, we're going to penalize our tax payers and unjustifiably burden them. Correct?
Luckeyone is convinced the track team costs 20 million dollars a year.
As for the second part - yes. I think that the tax payers should burden the non revenue sports. I also think that they should pay for unpopular academic programs. I also think they should pay for theater and arts. You see, when you're a member of a society you tend to pay for things that may not directly affect you because you realize that it enriches society as a whole. The presence of non-revenue sports enriches the campus community as a whole.
In my opinion the NCAA needs to find a way to help the high percentage of schools that subsidize rather than spending so much time helping a low percentage of schools make even more money. They need to focus on doing what's right rather than capitalizing on every dollar available.
