I don't agree with the end of the vid, but its clear there is a lot of lying going on here and they can't get their story straight.
You would have to be the biggest idiot ever to believe you can't see stars in space, but here are famous astronauts claiming you can't, other scientists & astronauts correctly claiming you can even with the sun in view.
Personally, Meh, who cares. I sure don't gain anything from either premise. Whether they did land on the moon or not is a moot point. Why do we care, really?
But, if anything that time that astronaut fell and then rose up is pretty fakey. I've always wondered about that one and yes it does seem like something was propping him up because unless a force underneath push him completely up then the position of his body rising is not right.
So, if this is all fake what happened to all the millions of dollars spent on these projects? These fake videos didn't cost millions. So, where's the money?
So, if this is all fake what happened to all the millions of dollars spent on these projects? These fake videos didn't cost millions. So, where's the money?
Its a good question, though I know they spent some of it on low orbit projects and missions.
I can't say for sure but I have believed for years they did put a man on the moon, but the live TV footage was shot here on earth. Stanly Kubrick has suggested he shot the whole thing.
Something is up, they had to claim in the 60's you couldn't see any stars (it was impossible to fake accurately) , when they claim today you can see 1000 times more stars than on earth. You obviously should be able to see the stars in space.
Its interesting but this is one area where people who always question the government get mad if you question the government. People treat the moon landing almost like religion sometimes. There is a lot of evidence of faked footage.
(03-09-2018 12:12 AM)olliebaba Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, Meh, who cares. I sure don't gain anything from either premise. Whether they did land on the moon or not is a moot point. Why do we care, really?
But, if anything that time that astronaut fell and then rose up is pretty fakey. I've always wondered about that one and yes it does seem like something was propping him up because unless a force underneath push him completely up then the position of his body rising is not right.
There are some other similar shots out there, these aren't the only ones.
You can also clearly see cables/wires in some shots.
There is an interesting biblical aspect of the moon landing as well. Revelation calls the Demonic king released from the pit in in the later part of the tribulation Apollyon, or Apollo in greek.
Plus these verses:
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Plus this lesser-known verse in Obadiah:
Obadiah 1:4
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the Eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
NASA ascended above the clouds in the Apollo 11 and then at touchdown gave the famous quote: "The Eagle has landed".
Quite a remarkable coincidence.
Most Christians also believe America's moral and national decline began in the late 60's, which further fulfils Obadiah 1:4 "From there I shall bring you down".
(03-09-2018 01:09 AM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote: [ -> ]There is an interesting biblical aspect of the moon landing as well. Revelation calls the Demonic king released from the pit in in the later part of the tribulation Apollyon, or Apollo in greek.
Plus these verses:
Isaiah 14:12-14
12 How art thou fallen from heaven, O Lucifer, son of the morning! how art thou cut down to the ground, which didst weaken the nations! 13 For thou hast said in thine heart, I will ascend into heaven, I will exalt my throne above the stars of God: I will sit also upon the mount of the congregation, in the sides of the north:
14 I will ascend above the heights of the clouds; I will be like the most High.
Plus this lesser-known verse in Obadiah:
Obadiah 1:4
4 Though thou exalt thyself as the Eagle, and though thou set thy nest among the stars, thence will I bring thee down, saith the LORD.
NASA ascended above the clouds in the Apollo 11 and then at touchdown gave the famous quote: "The Eagle has landed".
Quite a remarkable coincidence.
Most Christians also believe America's moral and national decline began in the late 60's, which further fulfils Obadiah 1:4 "From there I shall bring you down".
lmao....
two things......
the world was always going to end based on all doctrine written by 'prophets that scribbled' that didn't have a clue other than 'stories based on vague macrame'.....that's a safe one to state as "fact" relative to the history of mankind.....
I choose to live a different version during my 'time'.....it's only when you're alive that it can drive one to point of death in worry or enjoying what is in front of one.....
#humilityandrespectinfaith
relative to the OP topic.....I honestly don't see why it matters if it's a lie or not.....
I simply see tech advancing tip toeing in the mud puddles.....
only time will dictate if this was the right move in the end....it's easily plausible to say it could lead to the destruction of flesh as we know it or become the beginnings of the next form of evolution.....
(03-09-2018 04:06 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]the world was always going to end based on all doctrine written by 'prophets that scribbled' that didn't have a clue other than 'stories based on vague macrame'.....that's a safe one to state as "fact" relative to the history of mankind.....
Actually its not. Other religions don't even try to prove their authenticity by giving real tangible provable evidence or prophecy.
Sure, some like to point to an end time apocalypse, but they offer nothing tangible to illustrate their validity until you are already dead and its over. They don't even try.
The bible is a gigantic text in total, and nearly 1/3 of the book deals with real, tangible specific and illustratable prophecies that are meant to be evidence and proof to the reader and believer. They help faith grow and remove doubt for the believer, and serve as a witness to the unbeliever.
Thus the OT (which predates Christ by centuries) offers entire chapters and books of prophecy concerning the first coming of Christ, his life, birth, crucifixion and Resurrection, the entire gospels and all that surrounded them.
It also lays out in grand detail the entire history of the nation of Israel from the time of Christ until the modern-day return of the Jews to the Holy land, STILL rejecting Christ as their Messiah. It also lays out the change of the body of believers from Jews to gentiles for 2000+ years of the current church age.
To say there is nothing similar to that in any other religion in the history of the world is the understatement of all eternity. You yourself have never even looked at the evidence, so its easy to convince yourself it doesn't exist anyway.
(03-09-2018 04:06 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]the world was always going to end based on all doctrine written by 'prophets that scribbled' that didn't have a clue other than 'stories based on vague macrame'.....that's a safe one to state as "fact" relative to the history of mankind.....
Actually its not. Other religions don't even try to prove their authenticity by giving real tangible provable evidence or prophecy.
Sure, some like to point to an end time apocalypse, but they offer nothing tangible to illustrate their validity until you are already dead and its over. They don't even try.
The bible is a gigantic text in total, and nearly 1/3 of the book deals with real, tangible specific and illustratable prophecies that are meant to be evidence and proof to the reader and believer. They help faith grow and remove doubt for the believer, and serve as a witness to the unbeliever.
Thus the OT (which predates Christ by centuries) offers entire chapters and books of prophecy concerning the first coming of Christ, his life, birth, crucifixion and Resurrection, the entire gospels and all that surrounded them.
It also lays out in grand detail the entire history of the nation of Israel from the time of Christ until the modern-day return of the Jews to the Holy land, STILL rejecting Christ as their Messiah. It also lays out the change of the body of believers from Jews to gentiles for 2000+ years of the current church age.
To say there is nothing similar to that in any other religion in the history of the world is the understatement of all eternity. You yourself have never even looked at the evidence, so its easy to convince yourself it doesn't exist anyway.
what about 'nostril'damus.....he has a following....why is his any different than any others?
it's a fair question....
#interpretation
she's a biatch at times.....
oh yeah, why did the aztecs, native americans, aborigines, etc. get no mention in 'that' book....they all easily existed during that 'time'....
I respect your faith pal, but you're gonna lose this battle if you go there....and I would prefer not to....
(03-09-2018 05:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]what about 'nostril'damus.....he has a following....why is his any different than any others?
it's a fair question....
#interpretation
she's a biatch at times.....
oh yeah, why did the aztecs, native americans, aborigines, etc. get no mention in 'that' book....they all easily existed during that 'time'....
I respect your faith pal, but you're gonna lose this battle if you go there....and I would prefer not to....
let it go....
You quoted my post and began this conversation, why now tell me to "let it go"?
Nostradamus wrote stuff 400 years ago, not 3000.
He also gave us nothing specific or clearly illustratable at all today, just a massive amount of random unconnected material that does not have a central theme/timeline or message at all. The bible is very specific with specific people, specific nations, specific events and specific times and time periods in an overarching timeline/storyline that is centred around Israel, Christ and Jerusalem. Often times concerning things 1000, 2000 or 3000 years into the future.
You never took the time to look for yourself so you just make wild assumptions and convince yourself they are true. Its easier that way.
Try not to take my comments too personally, I'm just trying to be truthful with you.
(03-09-2018 05:29 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]what about 'nostril'damus.....he has a following....why is his any different than any others?
it's a fair question....
#interpretation
she's a biatch at times.....
oh yeah, why did the aztecs, native americans, aborigines, etc. get no mention in 'that' book....they all easily existed during that 'time'....
I respect your faith pal, but you're gonna lose this battle if you go there....and I would prefer not to....
let it go....
You quoted my post and began this conversation, why now tell me to "let it go"?
Nostradamus wrote stuff 400 years ago, not 3000.
He also gave us nothing specific or clearly illustratable at all today, just a massive amount of random unconnected material that does not have a central theme/timeline or message at all. The bible is very specific with specific people, specific nations, specific events and specific times and time periods in an overarching timeline/storyline that is centred around Israel, Christ and Jerusalem. Often times concerning things 1000, 2000 or 3000 years into the future.
You never took the time to look for yourself so you just make wild assumptions and convince yourself they are true. Its easier that way.
Try not to take my comments too personally, I'm just trying to be truthful with you.
I don't take it personally....never have....
I simply point out other options in the world of compare/contrast relative to faith....
you know I'm not that atheist.....
my opinion has and always will be choosing good over bad and respecting faith......this also involves pointing out simple caveats relative to fact....
I believe logic wins the end game.....that's the path I've chosen (with my horns coming out on occasion along the way)
life's too short to not enjoy it all......
I'm lucky enough to begin to see the finish line......that's 'gudenov' for me pal....
if there is a god, I can only hope he thinks I'm funny, harmless, and helped touch a few lives in a positive manner....
FWIW, I have no doubt we went to the moon. However, it would not surprise me if we discovered something that scared us off from coming back. Regardless, the fact that this country has shifted away from building on the moon missions and has paid for ridiculous bankers wars and to pay worthless slobs to breed instead is a damnable indictment.
