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AP Top 25
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Virginia (48) 26-2 1,608
2 Michigan State (17) 28-3 1,571
3 Xavier 25-4 1,422
4 Villanova 25-4 1,416
5 Duke 24-5 1,362
6 Kansas 23-6 1,272
7 Gonzaga 27-4 1,231
8 Purdue 26-5 1,178
9 North Carolina 22-7 1,140
10 Cincinnati 25-4 1,013
11 Wichita State 23-5 945
12 Texas Tech 22-7 887
13 Ohio State 24-7 791
14 Auburn 24-5 781
15 Michigan 24-7 753
16 Tennessee 21-7 564
17 Rhode Island 23-4 558
18 Clemson 21-7 499
19 Arizona 22-7 450
20 West Virginia 21-8 429
21 Nevada 25-5 386
22 Saint Mary's 27-4 318
23 Kentucky 20-9 174
24 Middle Tennessee 23-5 144
25 Houston 22-6 45

Others receiving votes: TCU 41, Butler 34, St. Bonaventure 29, NC State 28, Creighton 26, Loyola-Chicago 8, USC 7, Florida State 4, Seton Hall 3, Arkansas 3, Virginia Tech 2, Florida 1, Boise State 1, Oklahoma 1


AP voter detail:

http://collegepolltracker.com/basketball...rcats/2017

6
David CloningerJesse Newell

7
Shannon RyanTheo LawsonTony Parks

8
Cecil HurtChris DachilleDoug HallerMatt Vautour

9
Brant WilkersonDavid CobbDick VitaleJon NyatawaMarcus FullerRick BozichScott WolfTyson AlgerZach Osterman

10
Antonio MoralesCarlos SilvaDave BorgesDave MatterDoug DoughtyJerry CarinoJoey KnightJohn BohnenkampJohn FeinsteinJon RothsteinJustin JacksonKevin BrockwayKevin McNamaraLauren BrownlowLuke DeCockMatt McCoyNorm WoodRichard CroomeScott GleesonTerry HutchensTerry Toohey

11
Andrew LopezBrian McInnisElton AlexanderGeoff GrammerJoe JulianoJoe RexrodeJohn McNamaraJon WilnerJustin FergusonMark BermanPaul KleeThuc Nhi Nguyen

12
B.J. RainsCraig MeyerJ.P. ButlerKevin LyttleSheldon Mickles

13
Chris MurrayMark CooperScott Richey

14
Bob HoltScott Mansch

15
Graham CouchJason Butt

16
Ben SteeleSeth Davis

USA Today Coaches Poll
RK TEAM RECORD PTS
1 Virginia (17) 26-2 785
2 Michigan State (15) 28-3 781
3 Duke 24-5 690
4 Xavier 25-4 683
5 Villanova 25-4 670
6 Kansas 23-6 644
7 Gonzaga 27-4 593
8 Purdue 26-5 587
9 North Carolina 22-7 550
10 Cincinnati 25-4 492
11 Wichita State 23-5 436
12 Texas Tech 22-7 421
13 Michigan 24-7 384
14 Ohio State 24-7 378
15 Auburn 24-5 316
16 Rhode Island 23-4 301
17 Tennessee 21-7 290
18 Clemson 21-7 248
19 West Virginia 21-8 223
20 Saint Mary's 27-4 195
21 Nevada 25-5 170
22 Arizona 22-7 166
23 Middle Tennessee 23-5 81
24 Creighton 20-9 66
25 Kentucky 20-9 60

Others receiving votes: Houston 51, Arizona State 22, TCU 17, Butler 14, Virginia Tech 12, Florida 10, NC State 10, Nebraska 8, New Mexico State 7, Florida State 7, Loyola-Chicago 7, Miami 6, St. Bonaventure 6, Oklahoma 4, Louisiana 3, Texas A&M 2, Seton Hall 2, Arkansas 2

(02-26-2018 12:01 PM)Bearcat2012 Wrote: [ -> ]https://collegebasketball.ap.org/poll


details coming....

Good to see Houston stayed in the Top 25.

Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

(02-26-2018 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

what about when we lose at wichita?

(02-26-2018 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

what about when we lose at wichita?

We probably drop a couple spots... our ceiling becomes a 3 seed, maybe a 4 seed. and we risk not having a top 4 protected seed at all without making the conference tournament finals. Lets win that game.

We've spent a great deal of this season in the Top 10. That alone is reason enough to celebrate.

Really, really, really want that away game vs. Wichita.

(02-26-2018 12:27 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

what about when we lose at wichita?

We probably drop a couple spots... our ceiling becomes a 3 seed, maybe a 4 seed. and we risk not having a top 4 protected seed at all without making the conference tournament finals. Lets win that game.

Say we lose to Wichita on their court. We'd fall to a 2-seed in the conference tournament and would likely have to face Houston and Wichita State in the postseason. If we were to win those two games and take home the trophy, where does that leave us?

(02-26-2018 12:42 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:27 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

what about when we lose at wichita?

We probably drop a couple spots... our ceiling becomes a 3 seed, maybe a 4 seed. and we risk not having a top 4 protected seed at all without making the conference tournament finals. Lets win that game.

Say we lose to Wichita on their court. We'd fall to a 2-seed in the conference tournament and would likely have to face Houston and Wichita State in the postseason. If we were to win those two games and take home the trophy, where does that leave us?

I think 3 seed. Possibly 4 seed. Honestly, the committee may lock us in place prior to the conference tournament final on Sunday.

Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

(02-26-2018 12:44 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:42 PM)Cataclysmo Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:27 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:22 PM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 12:12 PM)bearcatmark Wrote: [ -> ]Where's Rag who told the world UC was only still #11 because the voters didn't factor in the Wichita State game and that they'd be down around 15 this week? Back in the top 10 boys. A 2-0 week secures a top 4 protected seed (probably at least a 3 seed at that point), with a shot at a 2 if they win the conference tournament.

what about when we lose at wichita?

We probably drop a couple spots... our ceiling becomes a 3 seed, maybe a 4 seed. and we risk not having a top 4 protected seed at all without making the conference tournament finals. Lets win that game.

Say we lose to Wichita on their court. We'd fall to a 2-seed in the conference tournament and would likely have to face Houston and Wichita State in the postseason. If we were to win those two games and take home the trophy, where does that leave us?

I think 3 seed. Possibly 4 seed. Honestly, the committee may lock us in place prior to the conference tournament final on Sunday.

It seems as if the committee weights conference tournament games less than regular season games. I don't have numbers to prove it, though.

(02-26-2018 01:29 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

I'd say Syracuse in the Big east tournament or Florida State in the NCAA tournament.

(02-26-2018 01:33 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:29 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

I'd say Syracuse in the Big east tournament or Florida State in the NCAA tournament.

Matt is correct

(02-26-2018 01:31 PM)Former Lurker Wrote: [ -> ]It seems as if the committee weights conference tournament games less than regular season games. I don't have numbers to prove it, though.

I don't think this is the case, but I do think they do a relatively good job of not overvaluing the conference tournaments. 3-5 days shouldn't outweigh an entire seasons worth of results So last year Duke won the ACC tournament, but UNC had an overall better resume and won the ACC regular season. The committee didn't ignore Duke's ACC tournament result or discount in, but just decided it wasn't enough to outweigh UNC's total body of work.

The committee tries (and I think does a relatively good job) to treat conference tournament games like they are 1 of 30 or so games we get to judge teams by over the course of the season. If UC gets to the conference tournament and wins by 5 or loses by 5 are they really that different a team?

Bubble teams that string some wins together have been able to move a lot in conference tournaments (See Syracuse in 2006) because they can get some big wins that really increase their resume. Teams towards the top of the bracket that already have really strong resumes don't get affected as much by conference tournaments.

(02-26-2018 01:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:33 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:29 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

I'd say Syracuse in the Big east tournament or Florida State in the NCAA tournament.

Matt is correct

For sure...people forget how good (and hot) that FSU team was. They beat Duke and UNC (both Top 5 teams) in back to back nights to win the ACC tournament. You know, looking back, we had some apocalypticly ****** losses that year. Presbyterian and St. Johns at home...yiiiiikes.

Side note, but that FSU-St. Bonaventure game in Nashville was friggin nuts...one of the better NCAA Tournament environments I've been in.

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:33 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:29 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

I'd say Syracuse in the Big east tournament or Florida State in the NCAA tournament.

Matt is correct

For sure...people forget how good (and hot) that FSU team was. They beat Duke and UNC (both Top 5 teams) in back to back nights to win the ACC tournament. You know, looking back, we had some apocalypticly ****** losses that year. Presbyterian and St. Johns at home...yiiiiikes.

Side note, but that FSU-St. Bonaventure game in Nashville was friggin nuts...one of the better NCAA Tournament environments I've been in.

That UC team was excellent by the end of the season. Absolutely a top 10-15 team. Their numbers don't bare that out because they were a completely different team up until the Xavier game. When Mick decided to play 4 guards / wings and 1 big (Yancy once he came back) the team really came into its own. The run to the conference championship game was no fluke. Parker was kind of perfect for his role and everyone else really fit.

I thought the things Craft was able to get away with on defense really through that team off against OSU. We never were able to get into the offense and OSU took advantage.

UK ranked and UH not in the coaches poll is a load of crud.

(02-26-2018 04:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]UK ranked and UH not in the coaches poll is a load of crud.

Kentucky at least deserves to be ranked more than Creighton. How in the hell did they get on there...they've lost to every even remotely decent team they've faced this year and have a record propped up by a bad OOC. One win against Villanova is all they're propping themselves up with.

(02-26-2018 04:02 PM)Bearcats#1 Wrote: [ -> ]UK ranked and UH not in the coaches poll is a load of crud.

I hate UK as much as the rest of them, but they look like a top 25 team right now. Honestly, they are a very difficult match up for alot of teams, especially when they are shooting well.

(02-26-2018 02:24 PM)BearcatMan Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:36 PM)Billy_Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:33 PM)BcatMatt13 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-26-2018 01:29 PM)jarr Wrote: [ -> ]Question: "If" and I mean "If", we knocked off the Shocks in Wichita, is that the biggest win in the Mick Cronin era? I am also making the assumption that we beat the Green Wave which is no guarantee wither.

I'd say Syracuse in the Big east tournament or Florida State in the NCAA tournament.

Matt is correct

For sure...people forget how good (and hot) that FSU team was. They beat Duke and UNC (both Top 5 teams) in back to back nights to win the ACC tournament. You know, looking back, we had some apocalypticly ****** losses that year. Presbyterian and St. Johns at home...yiiiiikes.

Side note, but that FSU-St. Bonaventure game in Nashville was friggin nuts...one of the better NCAA Tournament environments I've been in.

That year was bizarre. We lost to Presbyterian and Marshall before getting blasted by Xavier. After the brawl the team turned things around. I think we ended up having the most top 25 wins in the country, including #2 Syracuse.

From ESPN Power Rankings; as noted throughout the year, this guy has little love for our 'Cats but I found these statistics he used concerning:

After allowing just three of their first 25 opponents to score one point per possession, the Bearcats have now given up at least one point per possession in three of their past four games -- including a season-high 122.7 per 100 possessions against Tulsa on Sunday.

Better competition or has the defense lost its mojo?