(02-26-2018 03:35 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-26-2018 03:23 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ]Did you know UNCW and NCSU were forced to raise their out of state tuition since they had the highest out of state demand? Your statement that we get nothing due to affiliation is incorrect. Compared other non ACC schools in north carolina, we are far superior in recognition outside the state. The CAA affiliation is certainly a factor.
Or is it the warm weather and beach?
Compared to other ACC schools in NC we are far superior in recognition?
ACC schools in NC:
UNC - Duke - NC State - Wake Forest
All four of those schools are incredibly nationally recognized, IMO far beyond UNCW. Usually, when I tell people where I graduated from they say, "So it's in North Carolina right?". I'm not sure I agree with your point here.
**UPDATE** Disregard most of this post please. I just re-read your post and saw "non" in front of ACC schools that I missed before. My apologies.
It is without a doubt Wrightsville Beach that draws the interest in UNCW from the northern students. I would say that the CAA has a less than zero effect on students coming to school here unless they play sports on a school team.
UNCW should be looking at all options as far as a conference affiliation goes and I have been saying that years.
(03-01-2018 04:02 PM)EvanJ Wrote: [ -> ] (02-28-2018 12:30 PM)Sitting bull Wrote: [ -> ]I like having UNCW in the CAA but if you think it's time to go, them you should move. Not sure where you would fit best though probably the ASun would probably be best considering the concern on travel and that you do not have football.
The Atlantic Sun is in the bottom 6 of the Conference RPI for the fourth consecutive season. The Atlantic Sun has 8 teams, and the nearest team to UNCW is South Carolina-Upstate, which is 4:31 away according to Google Maps. South Carolina-Upstate is in Spartanburg in western South Carolina. There's also Lipscomb in Nashville, Kennesaw State in Kennesaw a little north of Atlanta, four teams in Florida (Stetson, North Florida, Jacksonville, and Florida Gulf Coast), and geographically out of place New Jersey Institute of Technology. Let's say Charleston was willing to move with you, and you could join the Atlantic Sun to give it 10 teams.
Would UNCW like going west to Spartanburg and Nashville and south to Florida better than going north in the CAA? I think the CAA would have to change a lot for UNCW to want the Atlantic Sun.
USC Spartanburg is joining the Big South. UNCW would not leave the CAA for a Florida centric conference. If UNCW were to leave the CAA it would be for either the SoCon, Big South, or A10 if we got blessed with an opening there.
(03-01-2018 01:05 PM)82hawk Wrote: [ -> ] (03-01-2018 09:50 AM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]Am I the only one who thinks there was nothing realisitc the CAA could have done to keep VCU?
We'll never know. It is a fact that VCU pointed to the NCAA split in the A10 vs. the CAA as a reason for leaving. At the time, the CAA had multiple bids and was close to the A10. Unfortunately, UNCW was in the toilet at the time. They were trying to keep Shaka, and the monies that went out the door prevented them from increasing his pay based on the results he was getting.
If VCU had stayed, GMU would have as well. That would have maintained the Virginia centric conference with JMU, William and Mary, GMU and VCU. Richmond had been gone for quite awhile before VCU left, so that may have helped in reuniting, but it wasn't a huge factor.
I do think the constant bantering of JMU leaving for FBS football played a part as well, based on long term probabilities. Plus, the A10 spends zero focus or money on football, so VCU was entering a top basketball only conference.
What we do know is VCU has all the loyalty of a rabid wolverine. VCU has been in more conferences in their short history than Hillary has deleted emails. There is nothing the CAA could do - or imo should have done - to appease them.
VCU is today firmly committed to the A10 - that's until the first phone call from the Big East or someone else dangling money out there comes along. That's the nature of basketball only schools. I don't think there is a single one out there who wouldn't move in an instant to another conference if they felt they could benefit.
I actually like the CAA better without VCU, ODU and Mason. You want a conference where the schools want to be there. I don't think men's basketball has suffered near as much as many predicted on their departures. We were one of the top mid majors 10 years ago and remain so today.
I don't think VCU, ODU or Mason have achieved anything close to their peaks in the CAA and likely never will. I would bet more money that they may even flirt with returning at some point. ODU has already left and returned once already.
I wanted to throw out a new expansion candidate so the CAA can get divisions
UMBC
The southern most member of the American East, they fit perfectly in the heart of the CAA. No football and lately they have shown to be a contender in the American East.
Add UMBC in the North and UNCG in the south and you could not only do divisions but very logical travel partners
I would love to see the CAA be proactive in this aspect. By creating two divisions, the rivalries are better and the travel is far better. Plus, that brings in two quality programs in case JMU leaves. And if they leave, we only have to replace one school.
Attendance in the games up north could swell to 1500....
Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
(03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That imbalance is always a concern anywhere where there are divisions, pro, and college.
(03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That's true. I never thought of it that way.
(03-07-2018 11:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That imbalance is always a concern anywhere where there are divisions, pro, and college.
Even the NBA is examining the idea of doing away with the conferences because of the disparity between the two and how they want the two best teams overall to play each other for a championship instead of the two best from their respective conferences who clearly aren't on equal footing.
(03-06-2018 09:15 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]I wanted to throw out a new expansion candidate so the CAA can get divisions
UMBC
The southern most member of the American East, they fit perfectly in the heart of the CAA. No football and lately they have shown to be a contender in the American East.
Add UMBC in the North and UNCG in the south and you could not only do divisions but very logical travel partners
Although I don't see this happening anytime soon, I think UNCG would be an excellent addition to the CAA. UNCG doesn't have football (or at least I think they don't have football), and they could be in a conference with 2 teams in North Carolina so it would make sense travel wise. Plus, Wes Miller played at JMU when he was in college and was an assistant coach over at Elon. Still wouldn't happen anytime soon, but UNCG seems like a prime fit for the CAA.
(03-07-2018 12:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That imbalance is always a concern anywhere where there are divisions, pro, and college.
Even the NBA is examining the idea of doing away with the conferences because of the disparity between the two and how they want the two best teams overall to play each other for a championship instead of the two best from their respective conferences who clearly aren't on equal footing.
I always hear the Patriots only dominate because it's a crappy division.
But, let's look at it this way, if indeed the southern division would always be stronger, it would help our RPI as we'd get to play them twice vs. once.
(03-07-2018 12:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 12:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That imbalance is always a concern anywhere where there are divisions, pro, and college.
Even the NBA is examining the idea of doing away with the conferences because of the disparity between the two and how they want the two best teams overall to play each other for a championship instead of the two best from their respective conferences who clearly aren't on equal footing.
I always hear the Patriots only dominate because it's a crappy division.
But, let's look at it this way, if indeed the southern division would always be stronger, it would help our RPI as we'd get to play them twice vs. once.
Get to play who twice? We already play everyone twice.
(03-07-2018 12:27 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 12:26 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 12:13 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:26 AM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 11:15 AM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ]Divisions will never happen, because the southern teams will always be better overall.
That imbalance is always a concern anywhere where there are divisions, pro, and college.
Even the NBA is examining the idea of doing away with the conferences because of the disparity between the two and how they want the two best teams overall to play each other for a championship instead of the two best from their respective conferences who clearly aren't on equal footing.
I always hear the Patriots only dominate because it's a crappy division.
But, let's look at it this way, if indeed the southern division would always be stronger, it would help our RPI as we'd get to play them twice vs. once.
Get to play who twice? We already play everyone twice.
Right, the Idea with two divisions is you would play everyone within your division twice, the other division once. Thus significantly reducing your travel.
So, in theory if the South was stronger, we'd play higher RPI teams more than lower RPI teams.
(03-07-2018 12:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Right, the Idea with two divisions is you would play everyone within your division twice, the other division once.
Meaning we'd only play 12 league games under the current format. Not happening.
It would be 16 if we add 2 more schools, but I'm not in favor of adding another school from the north, because it's likely not going to be a great addition. I doubt Albany comes here.
(03-07-2018 03:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 12:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Right, the Idea with two divisions is you would play everyone within your division twice, the other division once.
Meaning we'd only play 12 league games under the current format. Not happening.
It would be 16 if we add 2 more schools, but I'm not in favor of adding another school from the north, because it's likely not going to be a great addition. I doubt Albany comes here.
UVM?
UVM would make a great travel partner for Northestern
(03-07-2018 06:25 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]UVM would make a great travel partner for Northestern
UVM is closer to Northeastern than any CAA team is to Northeastern, but that would leave Hofstra without a travel partner, Hofstra partnered with Towson, or have Delaware and Drexel not be partners with each other with one with Hofstra and one with Towson.
(03-07-2018 06:25 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 03:05 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 02:53 PM)Seahawk Nation 08 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-07-2018 12:31 PM)Seahawkhoops Wrote: [ -> ]Right, the Idea with two divisions is you would play everyone within your division twice, the other division once.
Meaning we'd only play 12 league games under the current format. Not happening.
It would be 16 if we add 2 more schools, but I'm not in favor of adding another school from the north, because it's likely not going to be a great addition. I doubt Albany comes here.
UVM?
UVM would make a great travel partner for Northestern
Vermont is up in the middle of nowhere. Hofstra is approximately the same distance from NU as UVM is.
After watching the Selection Show and also the NIT Selection Show, it's very worrying that the CAA doesn't have another conference team in the post season. There were only 2 conferences that are sending one team into the postseason: the SWAC (Last in Conference RPI rankings) and the CAA. This is the second straight year the CAA only has one team heading into the postseason.
(03-11-2018 10:33 PM)UNCWin Wrote: [ -> ]After watching the Selection Show and also the NIT Selection Show, it's very worrying that the CAA doesn't have another conference team in the post season. There were only 2 conferences that are sending one team into the postseason: the SWAC (Last in Conference RPI rankings) and the CAA. This is the second straight year the CAA only has one team heading into the postseason.
We had probably 3-4 teams worthy of CBI / CIT invites, I'm guessing that all the schools turned them down if invited.
Next season is all about getting a marquee OOC win. The CAA didn't have one this season.