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(01-07-2018 12:30 PM)bubbapt Wrote: [ -> ]

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(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

Why would a free market price carbon emissions?

Same reason as I posted in the Ajit Pai thread. The child-like left has to have the reassuring hand of their federal government daddy on them at all times, even if it's wrapped around their neck.

(01-07-2018 12:30 PM)bubbapt Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

Why would a free market price carbon emissions?

Backwards thinking. Like not raising entitlements by 10% is a cut using dem logic. The government is giving you money in a tax refund. Same stupidity.

(01-07-2018 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

....and the taxman is going to require you to pony up a lot more to build that monstrosity. 25 years later?....all over again when it has to be replaced.

Obama signed an agreement against His will for offshore drilling in the gulf, suddenly an unexplained explosion a day or so later on a huge rig created a huge disaster. Coincidence ?

(01-07-2018 12:30 PM)bubbapt Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

Why would a free market price carbon emissions?

Why would a free market disallow burning rivers and drunk driving?

Oh, Good Lord. This is what we have to deal with.

(01-07-2018 11:00 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 12:30 PM)bubbapt Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 12:21 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]

(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

Quit selling. You've sold us. Like I said earlier it's going to take a solar field equal in size to the state of West Virginia to power the US. The bulldozers will be at you house in the morning to get started.

Why would a free market price carbon emissions?

Why would a free market disallow burning rivers and drunk driving?

Because it's bad for the bottom line.

But to comfort you here's a picture of a river properly regulated by the feds. Sleep well knowing your federal nanny state has your back.

It's good, but I would prefer to see our production shrink a bit.

(01-07-2018 10:51 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote: [ -> ]Fossil fuels are subsidized by the lack of pricing on carbon emissions. If the playing field were leveled, clean energy would be cheaper even with the cost of storage solutions.

I've seen people say a lot of dumb **** on this board but I think that takes the cake.

I can't believe people hold opinions that regressive and asinine.

They are are out there and even scarier they think most people agree with them. Lulz

So maybe one of you can explain Ryan Zinke's comments yesterday when he took Florida off the offshore drilling list.

"Florida is obviously unique," he said after a brief meeting with Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). He explained in a statement that Florida's "coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver."

As compared to California which has no tourism? Already, numerous other Governors are asking for their waivers and pointing out how important their coastlines are. Maybe the problem is Trump doesn't own land in their states?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/747786/rya...-questions

(01-10-2018 06:56 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]So maybe one of you can explain Ryan Zinke's comments yesterday when he took Florida off the offshore drilling list.

"Florida is obviously unique," he said after a brief meeting with Gov. Rick Scott (R-Fla.). He explained in a statement that Florida's "coasts are heavily reliant on tourism as an economic driver."

As compared to California which has no tourism? Already, numerous other Governors are asking for their waivers and pointing out how important their coastlines are. Maybe the problem is Trump doesn't own land in their states?

http://theweek.com/speedreads/747786/rya...-questions

if one didn't think there would be resistance, they were kidding themselves.....

watch who wins this battle.....like all the others, this engine is just getting 'crunked'....

do you honestly believe offshore drilling will have a negative impact on tourism???

the dippo's arguments are too funny.....we have methane leakage that is argued contributes to global warming.....so now the con argument shifts to a reduction in tourism when trying to capture a clean source is a problem.....

lmmfao.....

Crickets. What a shocker. No one wants to badmouth the messiah.

No different from what people accused us of for 8 years thinking Obama could do no wrong.

(01-10-2018 04:20 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Crickets. What a shocker. No one wants to badmouth the messiah.

No different from what people accused us of for 8 years thinking Obama could do no wrong.

there's a difference between backing up a position of faith vs. backing a proven position that grows the GDP which protects the USD.....

the rest is all bs....it really is that simple in my mind....

this is why you hire people to figure out the semantics or accept one's fate.....

NIMBY

We need offshore exploration and drilling. It's a fact of life. You can talk about green energy all you want, but the fact is it isn't ready for prime time and won't be for a while longer. The reason oil and gas still dominate our energy supply is because they are simply better than the alternatives.

We need to do it with far more safeguards in place than were present at the time of the Macondo blowout. Safer drilling techniques, more reliable equipment, a more robust and reliable method for minimizing spill damage, all of the above.

(01-10-2018 06:27 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ]We need offshore exploration and drilling. It's a fact of life. You can talk about green energy all you want, but the fact is it isn't ready for prime time and won't be for a while longer. The reason oil and gas still dominate our energy supply is because they are simply better than the alternatives.

We need to do it with far more safeguards in place than were present at the time of the Macondo blowout. Safer drilling techniques, more reliable equipment, a more robust and reliable method for minimizing spill damage, all of the above.

that is correct....let the bean counters dictate projections with engineering supplying the requirements to safely execute...build in self imposed oversight and be done with it.....

will mishaps occur??? or course they will....but like the gulf fiasco, guess what happened only a few years later??? if you didn't hit your limit within an hr, you simply didn't have a clue.....

again, the ad hoc tree huggers are clueless how to procure plentiful resources......they only understand how to fly as high as a kite being whiny little biatches on the hop scotch path to self imposed hell.....

Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), a former governor who represents his state’s Atlantic coastline, suggested during an interview with CNN that the president held one standard for states where he vacationed and one for the rest of the country.

“It smacks of what we never want to see in politics which is: Is it self-serving?” Sanford said. “I mean, you can’t say, ‘I don’t want to see an oil rig from Mar-a-Lago’ as you look out from the waters of Palm Beach, but it’s okay to look at an oil rig out from Hilton Head or Charleston, South Carolina.”

“We cannot afford to take a chance with the beauty, the majesty and the economic value and vitality of our wonderful coastline,” South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster ®, who backed President Trump in his state’s competitive 2016 primary, said in a statement.

Obviously most of the furor over Zinke's decision has been from Democrats but there are other Republicans who are pissed off at the arbitrary decision by Zinke. If they exempt Florida but not other states that don't wish to be included (Maryland, North Carolina, etc.), this is going to be decided in the courts.

(01-10-2018 09:43 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote: [ -> ]Rep. Mark Sanford (R-S.C.), a former governor who represents his state’s Atlantic coastline, suggested during an interview with CNN that the president held one standard for states where he vacationed and one for the rest of the country.

“It smacks of what we never want to see in politics which is: Is it self-serving?” Sanford said. “I mean, you can’t say, ‘I don’t want to see an oil rig from Mar-a-Lago’ as you look out from the waters of Palm Beach, but it’s okay to look at an oil rig out from Hilton Head or Charleston, South Carolina.”

“We cannot afford to take a chance with the beauty, the majesty and the economic value and vitality of our wonderful coastline,” South Carolina Gov. Henry McMaster ®, who backed President Trump in his state’s competitive 2016 primary, said in a statement.

Obviously most of the furor over Zinke's decision has been from Democrats but there are other Republicans who are pissed off at the arbitrary decision by Zinke. If they exempt Florida but not other states that don't wish to be included (Maryland, North Carolina, etc.), this is going to be decided in the courts.

what else was he going to say.....coastline property owners are rich biatch gavinas....

but yes....going to the judiciary was a gimme...the "if exempt" isn't going to happen....that's nothing more than a preemptive move....

watch who wins.....

all the sudden they're now tree huggers too.......

ol' boy is ******* with every dayum one of 'em......and he can't do it fast enough.....

lmfao....

Offshore drilling in Florida was a nonstarter, even the Republican governor wasn't having any of that silliness.