I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
(12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
that's fair and it's easily due to ad driven content....
#competitionreigns
(12-15-2017 03:36 PM)WalkThePlank Wrote: [ -> ]Why now.......??
Could it be a Murdock thingy?
(12-15-2017 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 01:06 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Bad move. I think Sports often mirrors life and politics is a part of life.
No it doesn't. It's adorable you think it does, though.
I've watched sports all my life and I have coached several sports for over 10 years. I have taught students many, many life lessons through sports. What it means to win and to lose. How to take both with dignity. How to overcome adversity. How to challenge yourself to be the best.
This are all things that happen in sports and in life.
Haven’t seen you on here for awhile, I have a question for you: what did you think of the Kennedy assassination papers recently released in regards to what they stated about Martin Luther King?
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(12-16-2017 12:02 AM)fsquid Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 11:08 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 01:11 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 01:06 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]Bad move. I think Sports often mirrors life and politics is a part of life.
No it doesn't. It's adorable you think it does, though.
I've watched sports all my life and I have coached several sports for over 10 years. I have taught students many, many life lessons through sports. What it means to win and to lose. How to take both with dignity. How to overcome adversity. How to challenge yourself to be the best.
This are all things that happen in sports and in life.
Haven’t seen you on here for awhile, I have a question for you: what did you think of the Kennedy assassination papers recently released in regards to what they stated about Martin Luther King?
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Random
Not random at all. It's about heroes, who in the light of day, perhaps weren't as heroic as people thought.
(12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
I’ll agree with that to an extent.
The other problem, esp in regards to the cash-cow NFL, is they (MSESPN) are really turning off a Yuge segment of the NFL audience.
Are some democrats? Of course. Are many of them progressive socialists? Not many I’d bet.
I’d love to see some polling of fans in seats, then folks at sports bars doing their fantasy thing, then Home viewers.
If I had to guess? It’d break somewhere around 60/65-40/35 as more conservative, Budweiser drinkin vs. Chardonnay sipping, “workin” folks. (Like we all don’t work, but whatever), dirt in the fingernail types.
Bristol Connecticut probably a bad choice to House the joint, better off, long run, if they’d put HG in Bristol Va./Tn. Back 40 yrs ago. Closer to their folks (audience).
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(12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
(12-16-2017 12:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 08:36 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
I mostly disagree.
Most people feel differently.
Nobody wants to hear about how millionaires are being mistreated by billionaires and player strikes either. Its entertainment and people will tune them out when they do other stuff. All the strikes crippled baseball. And no World Series?
(12-16-2017 06:14 AM)JMUDunk Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
I’ll agree with that to an extent.
The other problem, esp in regards to the cash-cow NFL, is they (MSESPN) are really turning off a Yuge segment of the NFL audience.
Are some democrats? Of course. Are many of them progressive socialists? Not many I’d bet.
I’d love to see some polling of fans in seats, then folks at sports bars doing their fantasy thing, then Home viewers.
If I had to guess? It’d break somewhere around 60/65-40/35 as more conservative, Budweiser drinkin vs. Chardonnay sipping, “workin” folks. (Like we all don’t work, but whatever), dirt in the fingernail types.
Bristol Connecticut probably a bad choice to House the joint, better off, long run, if they’d put HG in Bristol Va./Tn. Back 40 yrs ago. Closer to their folks (audience).
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I'd guess it'd be closer to 50/50.
If ESPN put their campus in those locations then, they wouldn't have made it 5 years. I don't think it would've made it anywhere besides a place like Bristol, CT.
The problem in part is that there are two sports audiences in the US. The in-stadium or in-arena audience is going to be upscale with money, because the price of a ticket precludes ordinary folk. The latter get their sports on TV. And it's the masses that matter, because there are so many more of them that they have the money. Wayne Huizenga's line was, "Sell to the masses, live with the classes. Sell to the classes, live with the masses."
(12-16-2017 12:37 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 12:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 08:36 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
I mostly disagree.
Most people feel differently.
Nobody wants to hear about how millionaires are being mistreated by billionaires and player strikes either. Its entertainment and people will tune them out when they do other stuff. All the strikes crippled baseball. And no World Series?
I'd agree with you if people were also staying away from politics at the same time. That's not happening.
People are very happy with politics in their entertainment, as long as they agree with it.
(12-16-2017 08:36 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
There is a story attributed to Joe Namath, who wasn't necessarily the brightest, but was quick with a quip. At his firs press conference at signing his then-unheard-of $400,000 contract with the Jets, he was asked, "Is it true you majored in basket-weaving at Alabama?"
Joe answered, "Not exactly. You see, I started out in basket-weaving, but I was having such a hard time making grades that I had to change my major to journalism"
I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story, but I can vouch for the fact that there have been hundreds if not thousands of brain-dead comments by sportscasters and sportswriters that have left me thinking, "Joe Namath was right."
(12-16-2017 12:59 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 08:36 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
There is a story attributed to Joe Namat, who wasn't necessarily the brightest, but was quick with a quip. At his firs press conference at signing his then-unheard-of $400,000 contract with the Jets, he was asked, "Is it true you majored in basket-weaving at Alabama?"
Joe answered, "Not exactly. You see, I started out in basket-weaving, but I was having such a hard time making grades that I had to change my major to journalism"
I can't vouch for the accuracy of the story, but I can vouch for the fact that there have been hundreds if not thousands of brain-dead comments by sportscasters and sportswriters that have left me thinking, "Joe Namath was right."
I don't think it's because they're dumb, I think it's because--when it comes to things outside their subjects--they aren't any more knowledgeable than anybody else. Like music teachers trying to teach AP Art History.
There are some sports journalists that I trust with politics, but they're mostly regional. Dan LeBetard was an excellent local gov't reporter. ESPN's Mina Kimes was a very good financial/business journalist. She broke the news on a nationwide medical scam.
(12-16-2017 01:11 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don't think it's because they're dumb, I think it's because--when it comes to things outside their subjects--they aren't any more knowledgeable than anybody else. Like music teachers trying to teach AP Art History.
There are some sports journalists that I trust with politics, but they're mostly regional. Dan LeBetard was an excellent local gov't reporter. ESPN's Mina Kimes was a very good financial/business journalist. She broke the news on a nationwide medical scam.
In some cases, their focus may be too narrow for them to be knowledgeable about other matters. But some of them are just plain dumb. They're dumb about sports too.
We have a lot of media in Houston with Dan Rather syndrome. Carla made Dan a national figure and they can't wait for another Carla to make them heroes. I've worked with most of them. Some are freaking idiots. Like the Texas Dan Patrick (not the ESPN one) who has managed to launch a political career that has gotten him to Lt. Governor (actually more powerful that Governor in Texas). Which proves, I guess, that even idiots can't screw Texas up.
When I tune into a game, it's an escape for me. If I want political opinion, I will turn the news on.
(12-16-2017 02:41 PM)memphistiger89 Wrote: [ -> ]When I tune into a game, it's an escape for me. If I want political opinion, I will turn the news on.
I wish I could turn the news on without getting political opinion. Just the facts--all of them, from all sides--and I'll take care of forming the opinion.
(12-16-2017 12:52 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 12:37 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 12:35 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-16-2017 08:36 AM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ] (12-15-2017 05:20 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote: [ -> ]I don’t personally have a problem with politics in sports. They have been tied forever. The problem is that they don’t do politics well. Right now their people tend to do it for the sake of being edgy and not for the journalism. All they get out of that is half-done sports and half-done politics.
Sports is entertainment. Politics isn't. Sports is a uniter. Politics isn't. Nobody ever said to avoid talking sports and religion at a party.
Sports journalists are among the dumbest journalists and that is saying a lot. I don't want to hear morons spout stupid political opinions when I'm trying to enjoy myself watching a football game.
I mostly disagree.
Most people feel differently.
Nobody wants to hear about how millionaires are being mistreated by billionaires and player strikes either. Its entertainment and people will tune them out when they do other stuff. All the strikes crippled baseball. And no World Series?
I'd agree with you if people were also staying away from politics at the same time. That's not happening.
People are very happy with politics in their entertainment, as long as they agree with it.
They go to political sites when they want that.
What if you ordered steak and they gave you sushi?
Or if you ordered sushi and they gave you chicken fried steak?