(12-21-2017 02:45 PM)bit_9 Wrote: [ -> ]I just can't wrap my head around the idea behind "if we can't have it all right now don't bother" attitude. It's incremental improvement.
Because incremental means we are stuck with a 20k erector set for a decade that lacks most of what was promised and doesn't improve the scoreboard, doesn't replace the crappy end zone, and doesn't increase revenue.
The bigger issues for me than what the stadium looks like are:
1. They bait and switched us. This thing was sold as something completely different. And the small size was sold as a concession that would allow a first class stadium. That was bs.
2. The admin continue to show a commitment to being nothing better than simply competitive in basketball and football.
3. They have capped growth of the fan base for no reason other than to maintain the sellout streak and keep milking the same donor base for more and more funding. You can't grow the base if you have no inventory.
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(12-21-2017 03:54 PM)MonarchManiac Wrote: [ -> ]YES. Laziness seems to be the word that best describes this ad. They're too lazy to try and build a new donor base they're too lazy to hire appropriate coaches IE basketball they are too lazy to build us an appropriate football stadium everything seems to come down to laziness. Why are we not building and excited student base? Why is our donor base not growing? Why is our attendance falling? Why are we being sold a bill of goods on a new stadium and consistently come out with messages that further and further downgrade the product? Why have we not been to the NCAA tournament in over 5 years?
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Well said.
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A small update to the article: Harry added that in phase 1, a temporary press box facility will be built on top of the west side of the stadium. That’s actually in line with what was proposed last summer when they revealed the update. Still doesn’t help with overall capacity expanding.
Yeah, a press box! So exciting!
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Can anyone see what’s about to happen here. They know they don’t have what it takes to make it and they are not willing to get it. They won’t invest in football. After another embarrassing season in 2018, with an opening loss to Liberty, then ODU will announce they are going back to FCS play. If this happens, I wont support ODU anymore! This is unacceptable! This is a total bait and switch move! Why??? Lack of motivation!!! A motivated person can do anything! I’m a little ticked about this. I thought we were going to have something special.
(12-21-2017 10:15 PM)GhentFan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 03:35 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Anyone have the original article from years back with renderings of a 30k+ waterfront state of the art stadium? Ladies an gentlemen, Wood Selig. Overpromise and incrementally underdeliver. Let's just go back to the CAA and try to get basketball in the A10.
I don't remember seeing any drawings for a waterfront stadium. I do recall stuff that would have possible water views though.
I never saw a Whitehurst/Powhatan rendering either.
I DO know from alumni contacts and my chapter position was that there was one very, very high level donor (whom I know) that really wanted it there.
However, preliminary engineering feasibility studies showed that the cost to deal with the underlying soil would be prohibitive.
My inside, (yes real inside) information was that due to this, the decision to abandon Powhatan was, for all practical purposes, known by November of 2015, and and made official, at least on the inside, by very early 2016.
(12-21-2017 09:42 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Wood Selig - one giant broken promise after another. When will Broderick grow some balls and end this nightmare reign?
What makes you so sure J-Brod isn’t the one running this hard into the ground?
I am no Wood fan, but I am beginning to think Broderick is the issue on the big fails and uber average approach.
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(12-21-2017 10:47 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah, a press box! So exciting!
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No, a "temporary press box"
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At this point, let's take that 55 Million and put it into coaching. I'm not in the fire BW camp, but hell if we have an extra 55 million in our pockets, we can go pay a basketball and football coach over 1.5 million each, get great coaches, fill both stadiums, and expand the fan base by creating some excitement through winning. Maybe then the coffers will be flush enough to actually build a worthwhile stadium.
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Wood and Broderick new tagline should be "Idea Confusion encapsulate the heart and soul of Old Dominion" Instead of the Idea Fusion tagline they started in 2009.
(12-21-2017 10:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 09:42 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Wood Selig - one giant broken promise after another. When will Broderick grow some balls and end this nightmare reign?
What makes you so sure J-Brod isn’t the one running this hard into the ground?
I am no Wood fan, but I am beginning to think Broderick is the issue on the big fails and uber average approach.
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I doubt it... Broderick is an academic type. Between the CUSA move, the basketball coach search, and the stadium debacle, Wood has a history of empty promises, under delivery, and loose ethics in pursuit of the short-term dollar. Broderick may well be part of the problem, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt. That said, I
wouldn't lose any sleep if both got fired.
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(12-21-2017 11:04 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 10:51 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 09:42 PM)ODU2K1 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-21-2017 02:34 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ]Wood Selig - one giant broken promise after another. When will Broderick grow some balls and end this nightmare reign?
What makes you so sure J-Brod isn’t the one running this hard into the ground?
I am no Wood fan, but I am beginning to think Broderick is the issue on the big fails and uber average approach.
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I doubt it... Broderick is an academic type. Between the CUSA move, the basketball coach search, and the stadium debacle, Wood has a history of empty promises, under delivery, and loose ethics in pursuit of the short-term dollar. Broderick may well be part of the problem, but I'm giving him the benefit of doubt. That said, I
wouldn't lose any sleep if both got fired.
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It's not an issue of which to fire for me. Wood is a definite IMO, and Broderick is moving in that direction. I am beginning to wonder If part of Wood's over promising issue has anything to do with Broderick undercutting him when it comes time to spend real money. Beyond that, I agree with everything you said about Wood.
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Not going to quote multiple threads, but I'm going to reply to a few.
For one, Broderick loves sports and wants ODU to be successful. I don't know what his relationship is with Selig but he won't let him tank all of our athletic programs.
Next, I think ODU made a huge mistake. I'm Monday morning quarterbacking for sure, but I think we are all now seeing the P5 vs. G5 disparities, and all of the real ODU fans know that the sellout streak is nonsense.
I would love to have a nice 30k seat stadium, but some of you are kidding yourselves if you think that is going to make tons of new money and people show up. Our fans don't even show up now.
My concern is that our administration went "all in" like a poker game to go to FBS and a conference that provides zero rivalries. Now, they feel like they have to follow through on their promises so they're grasping at straws to see what ODU can afford. I understand the self preservation aspect of that decision, but I don't like it.
It's a pride issue for our administration, but the reality is that we can't survive in C-USA.
Hampton Roads loved a new football team to go watch, especially against our old CAA foes. The fans have no interest in watching a home game against North Texas and an occasional butt whipping by an ACC school.
I hate to say it but I actually would rather play JMU/W&M/UofR in minor league football and get back to more regional basketball. Forget the fact that our TV revenues have dropped like a boat anchor.
(12-22-2017 02:46 AM)ODU Hoops Wrote: [ -> ]Not going to quote multiple threads, but I'm going to reply to a few.
For one, Broderick loves sports and wants ODU to be successful. I don't know what his relationship is with Selig but he won't let him tank all of our athletic programs.
Next, I think ODU made a huge mistake. I'm Monday morning quarterbacking for sure, but I think we are all now seeing the P5 vs. G5 disparities, and all of the real ODU fans know that the sellout streak is nonsense.
I would love to have a nice 30k seat stadium, but some of you are kidding yourselves if you think that is going to make tons of new money and people show up. Our fans don't even show up now.
My concern is that our administration went "all in" like a poker game to go to FBS and a conference that provides zero rivalries. Now, they feel like they have to follow through on their promises so they're grasping at straws to see what ODU can afford. I understand the self preservation aspect of that decision, but I don't like it.
It's a pride issue for our administration, but the reality is that we can't survive in C-USA.
Hampton Roads loved a new football team to go watch, especially against our old CAA foes. The fans have no interest in watching a home game against North Texas and an occasional butt whipping by an ACC school.
I hate to say it but I actually would rather play JMU/W&M/UofR in minor league football and get back to more regional basketball. Forget the fact that our TV revenues have dropped like a boat anchor.
At the time, it was not a mistake, as the alignment with ECU, as well as the make-up of CUSA was advantageous for football and basketball. I say basketball as well because after GMU and VCU left CAA basketball was but a shell of it's former self.
Additionally, there is NO indication that we were going to be invited to the A-10. despite some JMU like delusions that if we wanted to go to a conference, we could do so by nothing more than force of will.
AND...the impact of then Cox bill was totally unforeseen as well.
So, what now?
Alignment will start again in 2025/2026 at the end of the GORs (sans the ACC and the SEC; the SEC not needing one, and the ACC's extended until 2030.)
One thing that many here are missing is that the dichotomy that is the P5/G5 is occurring in basketball as well, just a bit more slowly. There is coming a time, sooner than later, where the likelyhood of a non P5 even getting to the final 16 will be a rarity.
Indeed, within a few years, even the A10 may be a one bid league.
IF the 2025/2026 realignment allows us to be in the same conference with ECU and Navy, we should be ok
Otherwise we might then consider moving back down in football, with JMU, W&M, and UR , and attempting to align our basketball with VCU and GMU, if possible.
We need new leadership at ODU. Broderick is a mealy-mouthed, small thinking bureaucrat who was handed a golden opportunity with the football program and has totally blown it. Why doesn't he just announce once and for all that we're going back to the FCS and get it over with. The man is a complete disappointment. With zero leadership qualities he is incapable of generating any excitement for ODU. Not only are the major athletic programs suffering under his tenure, so apparently are the academics. Time for a change. Just my take.
Why did they even survey the fans? Seems they could care less about what anyone had to say. It would be best to leave FF in place until we can raise enough to build it right the first time. This administration seems complacent...
(12-22-2017 09:11 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]So, what now?
Alignment will start again in 2025/2026 at the end of the GORs (sans the ACC and the SEC; the SEC not needing one, and the ACC's extended until 2030.)
One thing that many here are missing is that the dichotomy that is the P5/G5 is occurring in basketball as well, just a bit more slowly. There is coming a time, sooner than later, where the likelyhood of a non P5 even getting to the final 16 will be a rarity.
Indeed, within a few years, even the A10 may be a one bid league.
I forgot about that and it's a big factor in this decision. It's the long play. Yes we will be unsatisfied with the new stadium. It'll be smaller than we want/need. But we have financial constraints. We're in the positive, it's not all doom and gloom. We're in much better financial situations than others. We're still reducing the student fee's while getting the foundation of a new stadium built, free and clear of financial burden.
Hopefully by 2025 and the rise of the next round of re-alignment we're in a position to pull the trigger on the upgrades, and maybe better/more, if the AAC comes calling or hell maybe next year the new TV deal gives us an extra 800,000 a year and we pull the trigger then and start planning for phase 2 in 2022.
I'm not buying the notion that we are in good financial shape. Actions do not suggest that and we cannot afford to pay our coaches the market rate. We even didn't participate in a basketball tournament a couple of years back because the AD said we couldn't afford it. That is not doing great financially. We have to balance the budget, but it is likely being done by smoke and mirrors with the debt and by cutting corners on expenses.
Furthermore, even if the notion is reality, we certainly won't continue to be in good financial shape if we spend $56M on this new stadium that brings in no additional revenue at the same time as media revenues are falling and operating costs are increasing. The next domino to fall will be cutting sports teams.
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Wow a 1/3 less seats than FAU, no new scoreboard, no new suites, no press tower. I really feel like I got a piece of coal for Christmas.
(12-22-2017 10:19 AM)DaBigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Wow a 1/3 less seats than FAU, no new scoreboard, no new suites, no press tower. I really feel like I got a piece of coal for Christmas.
Yea, why bother? At least the current stadium has sort of a historical/nostalgia feel about it.
Save the money for something else.