UMass's last appearance was 1964 Citrus Bowl when they lost. I think the experts did not do their research with the older bowls. Umass was the second longest school at the FBS since their last appearance.
I guess we should penalize them for playing all those years in FCS!
I don't think we should penalized anybody because of the P5 wanted the split or we would have over 200 teams for little bowl spots. I think we should combined the 2, and used the FCS playoffs like an NIT. Let the 6-6, 6-7, 7-5 and 7-6 teams to play in it.
As usual DAVID is wrong
From 1964 through 1967, the Tangerine Bowl was one of four postseason games in the NCAA College Division, the Atlantic regional final.[2] The 1964 game had the Redmen of the Yankee Conference and the independent Pirates.
The other three regional finals in the College Division were the Pecan, Grantland Rice, and Camellia bowls, also played on December 12.[4]
This was not a large school bowl before the playoffs started in Division II and college division there were many bowls like this for lower division
UMASS has never been to a FBS level bowl. They did win many playoff games in FCS
UMASS has also won an FCS championship and been runner up another year.
They play a worthy schedule losing 5 games by 35 pts. If they had finished 6-6 they likely would have bowled this year.
(12-05-2017 09:37 AM)Policiious Wrote: [ -> ]UMASS has also won an FCS championship and been runner up another year.
They play a worthy schedule losing 5 games by 35 pts. If they had finished 6-6 they likely would have bowled this year.
Which team would have been booted?
Off the top of my head the candidates to miss would have been:
WKU who was at-large replacing AAC in Boca
MTSU who was at-large replacing MAC in Montgomery when Akron was sent to replace AAC in Boca
La. Tech who filled a hole in Frisco
Texas Tech who filled a hole in Birmingham.
The problem for a 6-6 UMass is if there are 78 or more others a lot of deals are going down by contract (ie. USM going to the I-Bowl via back-up contract) and what is left open will be in the south or the west.
If there were a Green Monster Bowl or Patriots Bowl played in the Northeast UMass would be in a dandy position but getting sent to a DFW suburb over a team that can drive to and from the game the same day? Not likely. You could argue that they could have filled Boca but ESPN wanted some credibility for the game with the CUSA champ so they swapped the MAC runner-up and that was palatable because they could send a nearby MTSU to Montgomery.
UMass needs a year like last year to be their .500 or better season, they don't need a year like this where three stayed home because the conference contracts and their wider net of contacts is going to make bowling hard when there are teams staying home.
I think UMass has a chance to make a bowl next year
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(12-05-2017 08:49 AM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]As usual DAVID is wrong
From 1964 through 1967, the Tangerine Bowl was one of four postseason games in the NCAA College Division, the Atlantic regional final.[2] The 1964 game had the Redmen of the Yankee Conference and the independent Pirates.
The other three regional finals in the College Division were the Pecan, Grantland Rice, and Camellia bowls, also played on December 12.[4]
This was not a large school bowl before the playoffs started in Division II and college division there were many bowls like this for lower division
UMASS has never been to a FBS level bowl. They did win many playoff games in FCS
Facts are optional for David.......
(12-05-2017 08:49 AM)dbackjon Wrote: [ -> ]As usual DAVID is wrong
From 1964 through 1967, the Tangerine Bowl was one of four postseason games in the NCAA College Division, the Atlantic regional final.[2] The 1964 game had the Redmen of the Yankee Conference and the independent Pirates.
The other three regional finals in the College Division were the Pecan, Grantland Rice, and Camellia bowls, also played on December 12.[4]
This was not a large school bowl before the playoffs started in Division II and college division there were many bowls like this for lower division
UMASS has never been to a FBS level bowl. They did win many playoff games in FCS
You are wrong. The Tangerine, Pecan and Camellia Bowl have always been a d1 bowl. Yankee Conference have always been a D1 Conference. Yankee Conference have been a D1 conference since 1946. FBS was not around that time.
UConn.
Maine
Vermont
UMass.
URI
New Hampshire
Were founding members.
Other members.
Boston U. 1973
UConn. 1946
Delaware 1986
Holy Cross 1971
James Madison 1993
Maine 1946
UMass. 1946
New hampshire 1946
Northeastern 1993
Richmond 1986
Vermont 1946
Villanova 1988
William & Mary 1993
The Yankee Conference was formed as an university Division. It was formally the New England Conference. The conference wound up being merged the A-10 and now under the CAA football brand. Under the 1960s, under the Tangerine Bowl and some others, some bowls did matched up University Division with the College Division. UMass. and the Yankee Conference was D1 University while East Carolina was college under now the D2. Conference Carolinas that they were in during that time period. Yankee Conference =D1, Conference Carolinas/Independents-2.
Considering how easy it is to make a bowl these days, a drought shouldn't be all that big a deal or take long to end. A better drought to keep an eye on is who has the longest drought since a ten-win season or conference/division title.
UMASS should try and get a scheduling arrangement with the AAC for 4 to 6 games a year and a shot at one of their low end bowls especially if the AAC can't fill the slots for their contracted bowls. They can then fill in other slots with Liberty, Army, NM ST, and BYU while waiting for a conference opening. Add a couple of money games, some old MAC partners, and some local P5 schools that will play them in Gillette for their half of home and home scheduling and UMASS could go on indefinitely as an independent if it can't get into a conference for football in the near future.
(12-05-2017 06:48 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]UMASS should try and get a scheduling arrangement with the AAC for 4 to 6 games a year and a shot at one of their low end bowls especially if the AAC can't fill the slots for their contracted bowls. They can then fill in other slots with Liberty, Army, NM ST, and BYU while waiting for a conference opening. Add a couple of money games, some old MAC partners, and some local P5 schools that will play them in Gillette for their half of home and home scheduling and UMASS could go on indefinitely as an independent if it can't get into a conference for football in the near future.
What do we gain from that?
(12-05-2017 07:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2017 06:48 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]UMASS should try and get a scheduling arrangement with the AAC for 4 to 6 games a year and a shot at one of their low end bowls especially if the AAC can't fill the slots for their contracted bowls. They can then fill in other slots with Liberty, Army, NM ST, and BYU while waiting for a conference opening. Add a couple of money games, some old MAC partners, and some local P5 schools that will play them in Gillette for their half of home and home scheduling and UMASS could go on indefinitely as an independent if it can't get into a conference for football in the near future.
What do we gain from that?
Nothing that I can see. Throw in a BBall scheduling agreement (a la the MAC agreements with Temple & UMass) ... and it's still no clear gain, since the AAC teams can get those games if they want.
(12-04-2017 08:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]UMass's last appearance was 1964 Citrus Bowl when they lost. I think the experts did not do their research with the older bowls. Umass was the second longest school at the FBS since their last appearance.
Why would you count their I-AA/FCS years as part of this "drought" when they wouldn't be eligible for those games?
Using that logic, Washington & Jefferson hasn't been to a bowl since the 1922 Rose Bowl. That's nearly 100 years!
(12-05-2017 08:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017 08:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]UMass's last appearance was 1964 Citrus Bowl when they lost. I think the experts did not do their research with the older bowls. Umass was the second longest school at the FBS since their last appearance.
Why would you count their I-AA/FCS years as part of this "drought" when they wouldn't be eligible for those games?
Using that logic, Washington & Jefferson hasn't been to a bowl since the 1922 Rose Bowl. That's nearly 100 years!
To be far, UMass. never dropped down a level in all sports. D1 is still D1 for all sports. 1964, there was no FBS/FCS. Some of the lower end bowls like The Tangerine/Citrus were for schools at the University level (Umass.) Vs College level (East Carolina). The history of many of these bowl games including the defunct ones are associated with the Big Boys.
(12-05-2017 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2017 08:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017 08:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]UMass's last appearance was 1964 Citrus Bowl when they lost. I think the experts did not do their research with the older bowls. Umass was the second longest school at the FBS since their last appearance.
Why would you count their I-AA/FCS years as part of this "drought" when they wouldn't be eligible for those games?
Using that logic, Washington & Jefferson hasn't been to a bowl since the 1922 Rose Bowl. That's nearly 100 years!
To be far, UMass. never dropped down a level in all sports. D1 is still D1 for all sports. 1964, there was no FBS/FCS. Some of the lower end bowls like The Tangerine/Citrus were for schools at the University level (Umass.) Vs College level (East Carolina). The history of many of these bowl games including the defunct ones are associated with the Big Boys.
But your saying that UMass has the longest bowl drought because it hasn't been to one since 1964 implies that they were eligible to be picked for bowls when obviously they weren't when they were in I-AA/FCS.
(12-05-2017 09:26 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2017 08:26 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-04-2017 08:46 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]UMass's last appearance was 1964 Citrus Bowl when they lost. I think the experts did not do their research with the older bowls. Umass was the second longest school at the FBS since their last appearance.
Why would you count their I-AA/FCS years as part of this "drought" when they wouldn't be eligible for those games?
Using that logic, Washington & Jefferson hasn't been to a bowl since the 1922 Rose Bowl. That's nearly 100 years!
To be far, UMass. never dropped down a level in all sports. D1 is still D1 for all sports. 1964, there was no FBS/FCS. Some of the lower end bowls like The Tangerine/Citrus were for schools at the University level (Umass.) Vs College level (East Carolina). The history of many of these bowl games including the defunct ones are associated with the Big Boys.
UMASS was college level in 1964.
(12-05-2017 07:12 PM)Pony94 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-05-2017 06:48 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote: [ -> ]UMASS should try and get a scheduling arrangement with the AAC for 4 to 6 games a year and a shot at one of their low end bowls especially if the AAC can't fill the slots for their contracted bowls. They can then fill in other slots with Liberty, Army, NM ST, and BYU while waiting for a conference opening. Add a couple of money games, some old MAC partners, and some local P5 schools that will play them in Gillette for their half of home and home scheduling and UMASS could go on indefinitely as an independent if it can't get into a conference for football in the near future.
What do we gain from that?
A look at a potential future conference mate when realignment kicks in a gain and one or more AAC teams are picked off again.
If we're going to count Massachusetts' FCS days ............. well, the New York Yankees have the current longest Stanley Cup Streak.
