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UCSD has a lot going for it. I expect the school to be a strong competitor in the BWC once it completes the transition to D-1.
(10-31-2018 11:26 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ]UCSD has a lot going for it. I expect the school to be a strong competitor in the BWC once it completes the transition to D-1.
i suspect UCSD will encounter similar growing pains as UC Davis did when it joined the BWC back in 2004...it was the last UC to transition to D1 from D2 CCAA...
for the most part UCSD's growing pains will probably be the competition level and culture shock...
(06-10-2018 04:17 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 02:54 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Hawaii's flagship is there as well, which is fine because it's a good name for the conference to include/the schools to associate with and it's not super-hard to get flights to Hawaii from the major California airports. It's really the on in-conference school you have to fly to, although granted UCSD-UC Davis is going to be a real hike that'll probably be flown to the majority of the time. Probably doesn't actively hurt recruiting that the kids get an occasional expenses-paid trip to Hawaii, either.
Obviously the geographic factor works both ways. The Big West is the only conference that makes sense for Hawaii from a travel perspective.
Also the conference fits Hawaii perfectly with respect to niche sports. Hawaii has top-5 programs nationally in men's volleyball, beach volleyball and women's water polo. The Big West sponsors and offers elite competition in these sports whereas the MWC doesn't sponsor them.
In baseball, although Hawaii isn't a powerhouse the sport is popular and well supported (third-highest home attendance in the western U.S. after Arizona and Oregon State), and the Big West is a quality baseball conference.
Split conference membership isn't ideal for almost any school, but in Hawaii's case I think we landed in the best possible situation. The only regret is not playing men's basketball in the MWC. Back in the 1990s we had home games every season against BYU, San Diego State, Fresno State, New Mexico and (for three years) UNLV. That was great competition and enormously fun for fans to watch.
Unfortunately, those olympic sports are going to suffer with the additions of Cal State Bakersfield and UC San Diego. It's already happened in volleyball where the BW is now reduced to two bids at best. Attendance isn't high as a whole to begin with and at-large bids are dwindling, and these two members will only exacerbate both problems. Baseball is really going to take an RPI hit with the Birds coming in.
And Stugray, if all these Cal State and UC students loved playing in an all-California + Hawaii conference, shouldn't attendance be much higher for basketball? Or men's soccer, or baseball? Fact is, it isn't. Which says the students don't care. Having 10/11 members in one state saves money, but it hurts everything else.
(11-01-2018 12:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 04:17 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 02:54 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Hawaii's flagship is there as well, which is fine because it's a good name for the conference to include/the schools to associate with and it's not super-hard to get flights to Hawaii from the major California airports. It's really the on in-conference school you have to fly to, although granted UCSD-UC Davis is going to be a real hike that'll probably be flown to the majority of the time. Probably doesn't actively hurt recruiting that the kids get an occasional expenses-paid trip to Hawaii, either.
Obviously the geographic factor works both ways. The Big West is the only conference that makes sense for Hawaii from a travel perspective.
Also the conference fits Hawaii perfectly with respect to niche sports. Hawaii has top-5 programs nationally in men's volleyball, beach volleyball and women's water polo. The Big West sponsors and offers elite competition in these sports whereas the MWC doesn't sponsor them.
In baseball, although Hawaii isn't a powerhouse the sport is popular and well supported (third-highest home attendance in the western U.S. after Arizona and Oregon State), and the Big West is a quality baseball conference.
Split conference membership isn't ideal for almost any school, but in Hawaii's case I think we landed in the best possible situation. The only regret is not playing men's basketball in the MWC. Back in the 1990s we had home games every season against BYU, San Diego State, Fresno State, New Mexico and (for three years) UNLV. That was great competition and enormously fun for fans to watch.
Unfortunately, those olympic sports are going to suffer with the additions of Cal State Bakersfield and UC San Diego. It's already happened in volleyball where the BW is now reduced to two bids at best. Attendance isn't high as a whole to begin with and at-large bids are dwindling, and these two members will only exacerbate both problems. Baseball is really going to take an RPI hit with the Birds coming in.
And Stugray, if all these Cal State and UC students loved playing in an all-California + Hawaii conference, shouldn't attendance be much higher for basketball? Or men's soccer, or baseball? Fact is, it isn't. Which says the students don't care. Having 10/11 members in one state saves money, but it hurts everything else.
Californians just don't care about team sports as much as the rest of the country. It's not just college; they don't support their pro teams either.
Californians are more interested in individual sports. Skateboarding, surfing, swimming, diving, etc.
(11-01-2018 12:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 04:17 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 02:54 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Hawaii's flagship is there as well, which is fine because it's a good name for the conference to include/the schools to associate with and it's not super-hard to get flights to Hawaii from the major California airports. It's really the on in-conference school you have to fly to, although granted UCSD-UC Davis is going to be a real hike that'll probably be flown to the majority of the time. Probably doesn't actively hurt recruiting that the kids get an occasional expenses-paid trip to Hawaii, either.
Obviously the geographic factor works both ways. The Big West is the only conference that makes sense for Hawaii from a travel perspective.
Also the conference fits Hawaii perfectly with respect to niche sports. Hawaii has top-5 programs nationally in men's volleyball, beach volleyball and women's water polo. The Big West sponsors and offers elite competition in these sports whereas the MWC doesn't sponsor them.
In baseball, although Hawaii isn't a powerhouse the sport is popular and well supported (third-highest home attendance in the western U.S. after Arizona and Oregon State), and the Big West is a quality baseball conference.
Split conference membership isn't ideal for almost any school, but in Hawaii's case I think we landed in the best possible situation. The only regret is not playing men's basketball in the MWC. Back in the 1990s we had home games every season against BYU, San Diego State, Fresno State, New Mexico and (for three years) UNLV. That was great competition and enormously fun for fans to watch.
Unfortunately, those olympic sports are going to suffer with the additions of Cal State Bakersfield and UC San Diego. It's already happened in volleyball where the BW is now reduced to two bids at best. Attendance isn't high as a whole to begin with and at-large bids are dwindling, and these two members will only exacerbate both problems. Baseball is really going to take an RPI hit with the Birds coming in.
And Stugray, if all these Cal State and UC students loved playing in an all-California + Hawaii conference, shouldn't attendance be much higher for basketball? Or men's soccer, or baseball? Fact is, it isn't. Which says the students don't care. Having 10/11 members in one state saves money, but it hurts everything else.
What non-CA teams can the Big West schools play against that would be more interesting to the students, though? If I'm at UCSD or Cal State Fullerton I'd care more about UCI and CSULB than I'd care about Grand Canyon, Southern Utah, or New Mexico State. I think the only schools that might actually move the needle for those students are UCLA and UC Berkeley, but I don't think the Pac-12 will be expanding with non-football members any time soon.
JDGaucho stands alone in thinking California students (and most alumni) give a crap about any schools beyond the California borders, or where Californians go to school in numbers. Maybe Nevada (Reno) for Sac area, but they play FBS Football.
Sac State or SJSU -if they give up on Football and invest the money in other sports- are the only schools that realistically would be considered. Both rate ahead of CSUB (who they sort of had to take to keep internal peace).
The Big West is a California Public University League; it doesn't need or want anything else.
(11-01-2018 01:54 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]JDGaucho stands alone in thinking California students (and most alumni) give a crap about any schools beyond the California borders, or where Californians go to school in numbers. Maybe Nevada (Reno) for Sac area, but they play FBS Football.
Sac State or SJSU -if they give up on Football and invest the money in other sports- are the only schools that realistically would be considered. Both rate ahead of CSUB (who they sort of had to take to keep internal peace).
The Big West is a California Public University League; it doesn't need or want anything else.
CSUB's average basketball attendance in 2018 was 2,798 per game. They get a boost hosting New Mexico State, Utah Valley and Grand Canyon. They get a boost being the only Cal State school in the WAC. You think the fan interest there is going to increase simply because those three are suddenly replaced by UC Davis, UC Riverside and Cal State Fullerton? I don't.
I'm willing to do a signature bet CSUB's average attendance will drop by 25% in their first year of Big West membership.
CSUB and UCSD won't be draws when they are on the road either.
This is just an aside, Stugray. UC Riverside's 2018-2019 basketball roster has more players from outside California (8) than in-state (7). They have a new coach who's establishing a pipeline into Texas, New Zealand and Australia.
(11-01-2018 02:36 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2018 01:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2018 12:56 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 04:17 PM)HawaiiMongoose Wrote: [ -> ] (06-10-2018 02:54 PM)Bogg Wrote: [ -> ]Hawaii's flagship is there as well, which is fine because it's a good name for the conference to include/the schools to associate with and it's not super-hard to get flights to Hawaii from the major California airports. It's really the on in-conference school you have to fly to, although granted UCSD-UC Davis is going to be a real hike that'll probably be flown to the majority of the time. Probably doesn't actively hurt recruiting that the kids get an occasional expenses-paid trip to Hawaii, either.
Obviously the geographic factor works both ways. The Big West is the only conference that makes sense for Hawaii from a travel perspective.
Also the conference fits Hawaii perfectly with respect to niche sports. Hawaii has top-5 programs nationally in men's volleyball, beach volleyball and women's water polo. The Big West sponsors and offers elite competition in these sports whereas the MWC doesn't sponsor them.
In baseball, although Hawaii isn't a powerhouse the sport is popular and well supported (third-highest home attendance in the western U.S. after Arizona and Oregon State), and the Big West is a quality baseball conference.
Split conference membership isn't ideal for almost any school, but in Hawaii's case I think we landed in the best possible situation. The only regret is not playing men's basketball in the MWC. Back in the 1990s we had home games every season against BYU, San Diego State, Fresno State, New Mexico and (for three years) UNLV. That was great competition and enormously fun for fans to watch.
Unfortunately, those olympic sports are going to suffer with the additions of Cal State Bakersfield and UC San Diego. It's already happened in volleyball where the BW is now reduced to two bids at best. Attendance isn't high as a whole to begin with and at-large bids are dwindling, and these two members will only exacerbate both problems. Baseball is really going to take an RPI hit with the Birds coming in.
And Stugray, if all these Cal State and UC students loved playing in an all-California + Hawaii conference, shouldn't attendance be much higher for basketball? Or men's soccer, or baseball? Fact is, it isn't. Which says the students don't care. Having 10/11 members in one state saves money, but it hurts everything else.
Californians just don't care about team sports as much as the rest of the country. It's not just college; they don't support their pro teams either.
Californians are more interested in individual sports. Skateboarding, surfing, swimming, diving, etc.
No one in the state supports the Lakers, Rams, Angels, Dodgers, Giants, Warriors, 49ers, Raiders, Sharks, or Ducks? None of those teams?? Huh. Here I thought much of SoCal was about the purple and gold.
Warriors and Lakers always sell out.
Warriors have best local TV ratings in the NBA.
California teams are 1st, 4th, and 6th in MLB attendance.
(11-01-2018 02:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to do a signature bet CSUB's average attendance will drop by 25% in their first year of Big West membership. .
I don't know what a signature bet is, but I'll take it. I wouldn't bet on the 2nd or 3rd year, but yes on the novelty of the 1st. This is like CSUB joining the "system". And there's a whole lot more Cal State ______ and University of California ______ alumni in Bakersfield than those other schools you mention.
(11-01-2018 04:15 PM)teamvsn Wrote: [ -> ] (11-01-2018 02:33 PM)jdgaucho Wrote: [ -> ]I'm willing to do a signature bet CSUB's average attendance will drop by 25% in their first year of Big West membership. .
I don't know what a signature bet is, but I'll take it. I wouldn't bet on the 2nd or 3rd year, but yes on the novelty of the 1st. This is like CSUB joining the "system". And there's a whole lot more Cal State ______ and University of California ______ alumni in Bakersfield than those other schools you mention.
A signature bet means you put on a quote on your profile and it's visible in every post you make.
Stugray, whatcha say?
JDGaucho,
Why doesn't your beloved UCSB join the WAC and play all those non-California schools you so desperately want to play. You'll have your Seattle, your Grand Canyon and your New Mexico State.
You are seriously out of touch with your own alumni base.
(11-02-2018 02:55 AM)joeben69 Wrote: [ -> ]UC San Diego Ranked 5th Best Public University in the Country
https://timesofsandiego.com/education/20...e-country/
UCSD up-and-coming university joining the BWC in 2020...UCSD will be well into their campus build out by then...
They might start beating out SDSU for recruits soon too. UCSD is installing new seats in their arena plus a video board. They also have a production studio on campus that will serve them well. They're putting their increased athletics monies to good use.
https://www.foxsports.com/san-diego/video/1330214979591
I think CSUB will relish their invite and it doing wonders for their basketball attendance, whereas UCSD will feel like just another mouth to feed.
And, I kind of think SDSU should be feeling some heat to keep itself as the best non-PAC CA school in D1.
(11-01-2018 01:19 PM)Captain Bearcat Wrote: [ -> ]Californians just don't care about team sports as much as the rest of the country. It's not just college; they don't support their pro teams either.
Californians are more interested in individual sports. Skateboarding, surfing, swimming, diving, etc.
These were the team sports played in Southern California on Sunday, October 28th and the attendance:
Red Sox vs Dodgers - 54,367
Wizards vs Clippers - 16,941
Rangers vs Kings - 18,230
Sharks vs. Ducks - 17,099
Packers vs Rams - 75,822
Houston vs LA Galaxy - 27,068
As you can see, there is plenty of interest in team sports and there are plenty of team sports. From San Diego to Santa Barbara, there are 13 D1 schools, so there are a lot of D1 Olympic sports to watch. The weather allows for the individual sports year round and the traffic discourages people from driving to games that are often available on TV or by streaming.
I wonder if they kept their football instead of dropping it, and have a stadium? Would they be a target for the PAC 12 instead of San Diego State?
(11-08-2018 06:01 PM)DavidSt Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if they kept their football instead of dropping it, and have a stadium? Would they be a target for the PAC 12 instead of San Diego State?
UCSD's intention was to go D1 non-football...in an alternate universe were UCSD kept football they would've been probably be more like the FCS CA schools like Cal Poly & UC Davis than the FBS CA football schools UC Berkeley & UCLA...UCSD does not have the athletic culture associated with schools that have big time sports...UCSD is more known for their academics with athletics as more of a side note...they're trying to change the culture with the move to D1 and the Big West Conference...
UC San Diego Tritons
Football
UC San Diego has not fielded a football team except in Fall 1968 when a newly formed pigskin organization turned in a winless season and then folded for lack of interest.[31] Since then, the subject of bringing NCAA football back to UC San Diego has been a recurring topic. Tom Ham, a local restaurateur and a supporter of UCSD football since the 1960s, has said that UCSD would have no future in San Diego without "big-time" football.[32] Proponents of a major football team have projected benefits that include greater school spirit and a more well-rounded school experience for students as well as enhancing the school's national profile.[33] Opposition to "big-time" football comes from a wide range of school faculty and administrators such Daniel Wulbert, Revelle College provost, who says that any boost to school spirit wouldn't be worth the sacrifice, and that he wants UC San Diego to "have a life for reasons other than watching hired athletes come and play."[34] Both sides acknowledge that adding an 80- to 100-man[35] football team would not only cost some US$1–1.5M annually, but that the initial outlay in equipment and facilities would be in the tens of millions.[36] Furthermore, in order to comply with Title IX's requirement for equal sports opportunities for both sexes, some three women's teams (80–100 athletes) would have to be added, or three existing men's teams disbanded.[36] Without the expense of football, UC San Diego has been characterized as having "the best all-around program, with the most success by the most student-athletes" in San Diego.[34]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/UC_San_Die...s#Football
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