(11-27-2017 10:11 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:07 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:05 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Top Group of 5 Win Totals since Carey took over:
Boise 48
SDSU 47
Toledo 45
NIU 44
Sorry, but if that's not good enough for you, you are absolutely delusional. There's literally no other word for it. Try to shrink the sample size by bowl record, by record vs winning teams (wow, you'll lose move games against winning teams than bad ones, shocking), whatever you want to.
His record speaks for itself.
And if your argument is the program is on the decline, Carey's won 66% of his games as NIU head coach. You know what percentage he won this year? 66%.
There's literally no other argument. If you think anything different, you're just wrong and you'll never be happy. May I point you in the direction of becoming a Tennessee fan. You'll fit right in.
Houston?
Tied with NIU at 44
So again, 4 most wins among G5 since he took over. If 9 wins a year and the 4th most wins among the G5 isn't good enough for you since he took over, what is?
2013 Houston 8 wins
2014 Houston 8 wins
2015 Houston 13 wins
2016 Houston 9 wins
2017 Houston 7 wins
Get your calculator out...
8+8+13+9+7=45
And that’s just the first team I thought of, who knows what other teams you miscalculated.
*Edited spelling of calculator*
(11-27-2017 10:07 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious.
No one has said anything about Carey not being able to “identify” talent.
This is your typical making up arguments thing you do so you have an excuse to rant.
Can you post where anyone here said that Carey wasn’t able to identify talent?
Quote:It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
His QB WAS "championship caliber." He literally won a championship the only year he stayed healthy.
And if you want to knock him for this year, that's fine, but again they won 8 games with their QB situation. FIRE HIM!
(11-27-2017 10:15 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:11 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:07 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:05 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Top Group of 5 Win Totals since Carey took over:
Boise 48
SDSU 47
Toledo 45
NIU 44
Sorry, but if that's not good enough for you, you are absolutely delusional. There's literally no other word for it. Try to shrink the sample size by bowl record, by record vs winning teams (wow, you'll lose move games against winning teams than bad ones, shocking), whatever you want to.
His record speaks for itself.
And if your argument is the program is on the decline, Carey's won 66% of his games as NIU head coach. You know what percentage he won this year? 66%.
There's literally no other argument. If you think anything different, you're just wrong and you'll never be happy. May I point you in the direction of becoming a Tennessee fan. You'll fit right in.
Houston?
Tied with NIU at 44
So again, 4 most wins among G5 since he took over. If 9 wins a year and the 4th most wins among the G5 isn't good enough for you since he took over, what is?
2013 Houston 8 wins
2014 Houston 8 wins
2015 Houston 13 wins
2016 Houston 9 wins
2017 Houston 7 wins
Get your calcautaor out...
8+8+13+9+7=45
And that’s just the first team I thought of, who knows what other teams you miscalculated.
My fault, missed it by entire 1 number.
Sorry, FIFTH most wins amongst the group of 5. Averaged 9 wins a year. FIRE HIM!
(11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2017 09:32 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]I also want to mention (as I have before), that Carey should be judged first and foremost on how many conference titles he wins. 1 conference title in 5 seasons is a major disappointment. If you took a poll of this place 5 years ago and ask “How many would conference titles will NIU win in the next 5 years?” 90%+ would have said over 1.
5- too unrealistic
4- would have been phenomenal
3- would have been great
2- would have been acceptable
1- disappointing
0- unacceptable
And don’t get me started on the bowl record. 
To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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(11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2017 09:32 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]I also want to mention (as I have before), that Carey should be judged first and foremost on how many conference titles he wins. 1 conference title in 5 seasons is a major disappointment. If you took a poll of this place 5 years ago and ask “How many would conference titles will NIU win in the next 5 years?” 90%+ would have said over 1.
5- too unrealistic
4- would have been phenomenal
3- would have been great
2- would have been acceptable
1- disappointing
0- unacceptable
And don’t get me started on the bowl record.
To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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That's literally all you take out of that post? Thank you for literally making my point. Literally :)
(11-27-2017 10:09 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]If your expectations aren't 10 wins a year and a NY6 bowl every year, what are they? 44 wins in 5 years is 9 wins a year. He's got a conference title and 3 division titles under his belt. Could you make an argument they should have won the 2012 MAC Championship game and should have 2 in that span? Sure, absolutely. Is that a fireable offense, uh, no.
As outlined in my second post in this thread.....
I think 2 conferences in 5 years would have been acceptable.
“2 conference titles in 5 years? Whoa...... we aren’t Ohio St!!!”
You shouldn’t assume my expectations, especially when I have clearly laid them out several times.
Division titles are complete crap. Please don't tell me you’re counting that as an accomplishment lol.
Also...when in this thread did I say anything about him being fired?
If I started a thread complaining about my wife, it doesn’t mean I want to get divorced.
You LOVE to put words in other people’s mouth that’s why I continuously ask you to quote things, and that’s why you’re never able to do so.
(11-27-2017 10:15 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:07 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious.
No one has said anything about Carey not being able to “identify” talent.
This is your typical making up arguments thing you do so you have an excuse to rant.
Can you post where anyone here said that Carey wasn’t able to identify talent?
Quote:It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
His QB WAS "championship caliber." He literally won a championship the only year he stayed healthy.
And if you want to knock him for this year, that's fine, but again they won 8 games with their QB situation. FIRE HIM!
Recruiting and developing doesn’t mean identifying talent. Anyone can identify talent. No one is disputing him identifying talent.
I can identify Tom Brady is a great QB. I’m not qualified to recruit or develop it.
(11-27-2017 10:20 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ]To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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That's literally all you take out of that post? Thank you for literally making my point. Literally :)
I am not responding to the other 40 paragraphs because I dont have all night. But I will mention one other thing. Doeren had Lynch making his first start against a senior Iowa QB on a neutral field that was still 90 percent Iowa fans. The next year it was a more experienced Lynch against a 1st year Iowa QB.
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(11-27-2017 10:17 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:15 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:11 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:07 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:05 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Top Group of 5 Win Totals since Carey took over:
Boise 48
SDSU 47
Toledo 45
NIU 44
Sorry, but if that's not good enough for you, you are absolutely delusional. There's literally no other word for it. Try to shrink the sample size by bowl record, by record vs winning teams (wow, you'll lose move games against winning teams than bad ones, shocking), whatever you want to.
His record speaks for itself.
And if your argument is the program is on the decline, Carey's won 66% of his games as NIU head coach. You know what percentage he won this year? 66%.
There's literally no other argument. If you think anything different, you're just wrong and you'll never be happy. May I point you in the direction of becoming a Tennessee fan. You'll fit right in.
Houston?
Tied with NIU at 44
So again, 4 most wins among G5 since he took over. If 9 wins a year and the 4th most wins among the G5 isn't good enough for you since he took over, what is?
2013 Houston 8 wins
2014 Houston 8 wins
2015 Houston 13 wins
2016 Houston 9 wins
2017 Houston 7 wins
Get your calcautaor out...
8+8+13+9+7=45
And that’s just the first team I thought of, who knows what other teams you miscalculated.
My fault, missed it by entire 1 number.
Sorry, FIFTH most wins amongst the group of 5. Averaged 9 wins a year. FIRE HIM!
Wrong is wrong.
Curious to who else you overlooked using mental math.
(11-27-2017 10:23 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:09 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]If your expectations aren't 10 wins a year and a NY6 bowl every year, what are they? 44 wins in 5 years is 9 wins a year. He's got a conference title and 3 division titles under his belt. Could you make an argument they should have won the 2012 MAC Championship game and should have 2 in that span? Sure, absolutely. Is that a fireable offense, uh, no.
As outlined in my second post in this thread.....
I think 2 conferences in 5 years would have been acceptable.
“2 conference titles in 5 years? Whoa...... we aren’t Ohio St!!!”
You shouldn’t assume my expectations, especially when I have clearly laid them out several times.
Division titles are complete crap. Please don't tell me you’re counting that as an accomplishment lol.
Also...when in this thread did I say anything about him being fired?
If I started a thread complaining about my wife, it doesn’t mean I want to get divorced.
You LOVE to put words in other people’s mouth that’s why I continuously ask you to quote things, and that’s why you’re never able to do so.
I am not going to take the time to read every single post on here on a daily basis. Between here and twitter there's so much fire rod carey nonsense that if you get lumped into then i'm pretty sure we're all survive.
Also, I'm gonna correct myself on this before somebody else does but WKU, Toledo, and Houston all have 45 wins. That loss to Friday really makes "6th most wins in the G5" sound way worse than "tied for third most."
https://www.teamrankings.com/ncf/trends/...since_2013
If you're logical enough to not want Carey fired, then so be it. As I've said before, he's not a perfect coach. There's plenty of people who aren't and I'll feel free to keep calling them illogical.
Literally.
(11-27-2017 10:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:20 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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That's literally all you take out of that post? Thank you for literally making my point. Literally :)
I am not responding to the other 40 paragraphs because I dont have all night. But I will mention one other thing. Doeren had Lynch making his first start against a senior Iowa QB on a neutral field that was still 90 percent Iowa fans. The next year it was a more experienced Lynch against a 1st year Iowa QB.
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And in 2014(?) Carey had McIntosh making his second career start, get hurt, and still found a way to win at Northwestern using two QBs who had never started a game before. Sure you'll find an excuse to discredit that one though.
(11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2017 09:32 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]I also want to mention (as I have before), that Carey should be judged first and foremost on how many conference titles he wins. 1 conference title in 5 seasons is a major disappointment. If you took a poll of this place 5 years ago and ask “How many would conference titles will NIU win in the next 5 years?” 90%+ would have said over 1.
5- too unrealistic
4- would have been phenomenal
3- would have been great
2- would have been acceptable
1- disappointing
0- unacceptable
And don’t get me started on the bowl record.
To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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Exactly.
But for arguments sake, let’s say NIU did outplay Ohio St.
Who cares about any of that if NIU still loses?
When someone has to list division titles and almost winning games as accomplishments for their coach, you know he blows.
(11-27-2017 10:31 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ]To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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Exactly.
But for arguments sake, let’s say NIU did outplay Ohio St.
Who cares about any of that if NIU still loses?
When someone has to list division titles and almost winning games as accomplishments for their coach, you know he blows.
Is this quoting you enough?
We're done here.
(11-27-2017 10:31 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:20 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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That's literally all you take out of that post? Thank you for literally making my point. Literally :)
I am not responding to the other 40 paragraphs because I dont have all night. But I will mention one other thing. Doeren had Lynch making his first start against a senior Iowa QB on a neutral field that was still 90 percent Iowa fans. The next year it was a more experienced Lynch against a 1st year Iowa QB.
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And in 2014(?) Carey had McIntosh making his first career start, get hurt, and still found a way to win at Northwestern. Sure you'll find an excuse to discredit that one though.
Northwestern did end up being (5-7). It was kinda cool that NU was an in-state school and it did give me bragging rights to my wife. I guess that win can be upgraded from “crap” to “ok”.
(11-27-2017 10:31 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:27 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:20 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ]Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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That's literally all you take out of that post? Thank you for literally making my point. Literally :)
I am not responding to the other 40 paragraphs because I dont have all night. But I will mention one other thing. Doeren had Lynch making his first start against a senior Iowa QB on a neutral field that was still 90 percent Iowa fans. The next year it was a more experienced Lynch against a 1st year Iowa QB.
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And in 2014(?) Carey had McIntosh making his first career start, get hurt, and still found a way to win at Northwestern. Sure you'll find an excuse to discredit that one though.
I am not the one that brought up the Iowa games. You did.
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(11-27-2017 10:33 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:31 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 10:18 PM)NIU007 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Stop saying "literally" constantly. Very little stuff on here is done figuratively.
Niu didnt outplay Ohio State either.
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Exactly.
But for arguments sake, let’s say NIU did outplay Ohio St.
Who cares about any of that if NIU still loses?
When someone has to list division titles and almost winning games as accomplishments for their coach, you know he blows.
Is this quoting you enough?
We're done here.
That’s not in reference to you answering my question so no it’s not relevant at all to you making things up, being called out and not being able to cite your way out of it.
See ya later pal. I’m looking forward to your obligatory “DONT OVERREACT PART 3” crybaby thread in a couple of weeks.
There are no NIU coaches who have reached the level of excellence required here. Sure NIU can hire a new head coach but that will not bring any guarantees. I remember when Charlie Saddler was brought in with high expectations. Watching Leshon Johnson run was about the only highlight. Till the Orange Bowl year NIU did not have a golden record in MACC games either. Sure Carey is not the best but sometimes watch out what you wish for.
Prideinthepack and niu007 are the same poster.
(11-27-2017 08:22 PM)7 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-27-2017 02:55 AM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ] (11-26-2017 10:38 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote: [ -> ] (11-24-2017 09:32 PM)PrideinthePack2 Wrote: [ -> ]I also want to mention (as I have before), that Carey should be judged first and foremost on how many conference titles he wins. 1 conference title in 5 seasons is a major disappointment. If you took a poll of this place 5 years ago and ask “How many would conference titles will NIU win in the next 5 years?” 90%+ would have said over 1.
5- too unrealistic
4- would have been phenomenal
3- would have been great
2- would have been acceptable
1- disappointing
0- unacceptable
And don’t get me started on the bowl record.
To win a MACC in '15,'16 or '17, NIU would have had to win it with the QB play of Tommy Fiedler, Ryan Graham and Daniel Santacaterina. None of those guys sound like Champion Caliber QBs to me. Should the Huskies of won in 2013 with Lynch? Probably. But they lost to the highest rated QB in the conference that year. The better QB in Matt Johnson. Should they have won in 2014 with Hare? Probably not. But they did. Primarily because Johnson was injured.
The people who talk about how "loaded" NIU was when Carey took over sound exactly the WMU board this spring. That the team is/was so superior in talent that QB play isn't that important. I'm trying to tell NIU fans the same thing I told WMU fans earlier this year...You're are/were no more talented than any of the top 3 or 4 MAC teams and you'll go as far as your QB can take you. Same thing for NIU 2014-2017. We werent more talented than the other top MAC teams, We just had Lynch for two years and it skewed our perception.
If the '17 Huskies had Lynch they'd be probably be 12-0 and we'd be talking about them being the best team we've ever had. If Toledo lost Woodside and their back up to injury early in the season, they'd probably be fighting to be bowl eligible.
Im sure that many on the WMU board felt theyd win at least 2 more championships over the next 4 years since Lester inherited a "loaded" team. But unless they find a top 3 QB fast, they probably wont win another one.
Take the best coach the MAC has ever seen....give him Childers and Graham back to back for 5 years. How many Championships does he win? You can kill Carey for recruiting, but that's a totally different argument. BTW, what MAC coach has recruited great QBS consistently year after year? Woodside to Gradkowski...how long was that?
It’s up to Carey to recruit and develop QB’s. Not championship caliber QB’s? Well recruit someone better or develop them into better QB’s.
And Lynch finished 3rd in the Hesiman Trophy voting that year, I don’t think I’m going out on a limb by calling Lynch the better QB.
People have an excuse for everything.
Rod Carey was Drew Hare's offensive coordinator as a true freshman and his head coach as a redshirt freshman and sophomore.
Drew Hare completed 61% of his passes with 37 TDs and 6 INTs in his career and won a MAC Championship as a redshirt sophomore.
This idea that Carey can't identify QB talent is borderline hilarious. He had a guy that would have went down as probably the 3rd or 4th best QB in the history of the damn school if he didn't get hurt. He also landed arguably the best QB recruit in the history of the school in Rodney Hall last year.
Take Woodside off Toledo this year and watch what happens to Toledo's season. Have Terrell get hurt last year and watch what happens to WMU. Take Deandre Francois off Florida State and watch what happ....oh wait, we saw what happens.
If you want to blame Carey for the QB situation this year, so be it. That bastard "only" coached the team to 8 wins and a win at Nebraska this year. Fire him! If everybody's All-American Daniel Santacaterina could throw the ball to the right colored jerseys they would have won at the #19 team in the country. Guess that one was his fault too!
Here's a huge problem with some people on this board, you blame Carey for everything.
NIU won must win games @ undefeated ranked Toledo and against Western Michigan with freshman Ryan Graham playing QB. Does ANYBODY give Carey credit for that? No, all that's talked about is his postseason record where he's lost a game to FLORIDA STATE!!!!!!, a game playing a true freshman walk-on QB, and a game against Boise State with a hobbled Ryan Graham playing against a team that was better than them.
NIU outplayed #1 Ohio State for FOUR quarters and had four drives to try to win the game in the fourth quarter and this place blamed the coaching because Carey was too conservative! Seriously! They played neck and neck with the #1 team in the country who was the defending champions and people blamed the coach.
He's 4-1 against the Big Ten in his career and this is a literally a thread breaking down the records of the Big Ten teams he's beaten. You know what EVERY other coaches record in program history not named Rod Carey is against the Big Ten? 3-36-1. You think of those 36 losses, some of those teams were against teams that weren't very good? Hell, Dave Doeren lost to a 4-8 Iowa team on a neutral field with Jordan Lynch at QB. You know what coach led them to a victory a year lead at an Iowa team that went (i believe) 8-4. BY GAWD, that's Rod Carey's music!!
Some of you people are literally insane. I don't know what's happened. It blows my mind that we're sitting here talking about a coach who in his first five years has 4 wins against the Big Ten, won 66% of his games, won a conference title, and three division titles and people want him fired. It. Makes. Zero. Sense. There will come a time before all of us kick the bucket where NIU truly swings and misses on a coach hire and are in a spot where damn near every mid major has been in the last 15+ years other than NIU. We ain't there right now.
Get over yourselves. Seriously.
Solid rant, and some valid points (although Santa did hit the right Jersey 23 out of 37 attempts against SDSU, 3 of them going for TDs ). To think Carey is (or should) be going anywhere is ridiculous. I think his signature recruit will be Hall, but I am not sure he beats out Childers. Tough to dispute Carey’s record .
(11-27-2017 11:21 PM)prairiedawg Wrote: [ -> ]Prideinthepack and niu007 are the same poster.
PrideinthePack and PrideinthePack2
I couldn’t remember my password and wasn’t able to get the email to reset it. Probably why you thought you recognized my posting style. Good catch, but wrong person.