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(10-11-2017 08:43 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:32 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:29 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:20 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]Expect to hear complaining about this next week.

They look so oppressed.

You clearly don't get it.

No, the idiots in that pic are the ones who don't. Its not wise to piss off the people who pay your salary. Then again, these guys don't look like the sharpest knives in the drawer either.

Thanks for offering your opinion from your cushy ivory tower where the issues don't effect you.

The issues don't affect you either. yet here you are desperately trying to look concerned for the oppressed millionares playing a game.

(10-11-2017 09:58 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 09:44 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]I see just a few stadiums that really could be considered 'supported outside of liberal voters'. The Cowboys, the Packers, and the two LA teams. Sure, there are other teams that aren't liberal, but Buffalo and Jacksonville are barely viable markets.


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Tom, your point was that liberal cities finance stadiums and you are correct.

Yes, the idea that if liberal cities revolted against the NFL that the suburbs wouldn't fund stadiums hasn't been fully tested.

But it seems ludicrous to assume it would be disastrous for the NFL if African-Americans and liberal in cities didn't fund stadiums.

And don't fvcking put quote marks around things I didn't say.

I was just pointing out that the suburban financed stadiums you appeared to be referring to, really weren't financed in a 'suburban' manner (or in the case of PGC - isn't suburban in any real sense). Most of them were highly subject to urban voters (Maricopa County, Foxborough, and Prince Georges County).

You're right, it hasn't been fully tested. But remember, that suburban conservative areas generally don't have the borrowing/taxing capacity to finance stadiums like urban areas do. Nor do many of them have the business community needed to support a NFL team either.

Heck, Broward County barely can support its one pro team and they have millions of people.

Non-urban financed NFL stadiums are currently co-ops, 44 years old, privately financed, or located in Silicon Valley.

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But that misses the largest tranche of NFL income....must take cable TV revenue from urban market viewers. This is where the NFL has to be real careful.

(10-11-2017 10:04 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:43 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:32 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:29 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote: [ -> ]They look so oppressed.

You clearly don't get it.

No, the idiots in that pic are the ones who don't. Its not wise to piss off the people who pay your salary. Then again, these guys don't look like the sharpest knives in the drawer either.

Thanks for offering your opinion from your cushy ivory tower where the issues don't effect you.

The issues don't affect you either. yet here you are desperately trying to look concerned for the oppressed millionares playing a game.

You mean oppressed right wing billionaires living off the giveaways of people who don't generally support the NFL

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

(10-11-2017 10:10 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:04 AM)DefCONNOne Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:43 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:37 AM)MemTigers1998 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 08:32 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]You clearly don't get it.

No, the idiots in that pic are the ones who don't. Its not wise to piss off the people who pay your salary. Then again, these guys don't look like the sharpest knives in the drawer either.

Thanks for offering your opinion from your cushy ivory tower where the issues don't effect you.

The issues don't affect you either. yet here you are desperately trying to look concerned for the oppressed millionares playing a game.

You mean oppressed right wing billionaires living off the giveaways of people who don't generally support the NFL

Sure, sport. Whatever you say.

(10-11-2017 10:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

Where have you been? They are out in their communities.

(10-11-2017 10:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

LOL. Kim Davis can use the power of the state to discriminate in direct violation of her job description and a court order and she's a hero....but a NFL player cannot even signal disapproval of racism/Trump.

Of course Kim Davis is white, so she apparently can do what she wants at work.

(10-10-2017 05:09 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:23 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]What about forcing them back into a hotel room Saturday night "curfew"? Has nothing to do with their job.

That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.

Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

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That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.

I bet they have a code of conduct too.

(10-11-2017 10:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

Where have you been? They are out in their communities.

Yeah the gated ones. Those cookie recipies aren't going to walk themselves over to the neighbor's house.

(10-11-2017 10:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

Where have you been? They are out in their communities.

Yeah we see the police reports. They out there alright

(10-11-2017 10:20 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:09 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:31 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]That has a direct impact on their ability to do their job.

How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.

Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.

I bet they have a code of conduct too.

Yes, they do. Pretty much don't do illegal or immoral stuff.

Standing is a policy not a rule, and will need to be negotiated.

(10-10-2017 06:27 PM)cb4029 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:13 PM)No Bull Wrote: [ -> ]they just want to get paid..

Did you think they were playing for the country?

You were born a human, on Earth, loved by god God. Everything else is bull. (no pun intended) Worshipping a false idol. I wonder what god God thinks about this situation.

FIFY

(10-11-2017 10:21 AM)shere khan Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:18 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:16 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:51 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

Also the only person in communities of color with a voice that people will listen to.

Then perhaps they should actually be out in "their communities" - nevermind that not a one of them actually lives in such communities - doing something real rather than safely exercising their rights to free speech in symbolic gestures.

Where have you been? They are out in their communities.

Yeah we see the police reports. They out there alright

Much much lower than the population at large.

(10-11-2017 10:22 AM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:20 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:09 PM)swagsurfer11 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:45 PM)ark30inf Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 04:36 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]How so? Your employer should be allowed to monitor when you are, what time you are at home, or in bed in a hotel? Should they be allowed to force you to sleep? LOL.

Ross Perot used to dictate what sort of shoes and tie you could wear, your hairstyle, the color of your shirt, who you could hang out with after work, etc.

He also paid more than average.

So you could take it...or leave it.

Sent from my SAMSUNG-SM-G870A using Tapatalk

That's dress code. The NFL has a dress code too.

I bet they have a code of conduct too.

Yes, they do. Pretty much don't do illegal or immoral stuff.

Standing is a policy not a rule, and will need to be negotiated.

LOL. Its not illegal to kneel for the anthem. Its not immoral to protest racism either.

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If employees must do their jobs, then why have these bills allowing county clerks, hospital workers, doctors, pharmacists, and hospitals to not serve LGBT persons?

Oh yea, employees have the right to do what they want at work, even in the face of employer opposition, but only if that employee is being a racist or a homophobe. Got it.

(10-10-2017 07:32 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:13 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:42 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]Win want? These people are just protesting for equal treatment in the country they live in but somehow it's a us vs them situation in your minds

An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

They arent protesting for themselves. They are using their platform to stand up for people with no voice. Asking for Americans to be treated like Americans isn't anti American

Oh? Then why weren't they kneeling en masse PRIOR to Trump saying anything?

Of course some players are just kneeling in protest of Trump but the true protest started before Trump was even in office.

I hate that the actual point of the protest has been lost and the attention is on a piece of cloth, a song and now a man

Yet there your guys are focusing on a piece of cloth and a song. I said from day one they were doing their cause a disservice by their actions, their efforts would have been better expended protesting in the communities, like outside a particular precinct or at city hall, where their perceived injustices actually occurred.

(10-11-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 07:32 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:13 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 02:56 PM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]An NFL 1%er has 100% more privilege than all of us on this board combined.

They arent protesting for themselves. They are using their platform to stand up for people with no voice. Asking for Americans to be treated like Americans isn't anti American

Oh? Then why weren't they kneeling en masse PRIOR to Trump saying anything?

Of course some players are just kneeling in protest of Trump but the true protest started before Trump was even in office.

I hate that the actual point of the protest has been lost and the attention is on a piece of cloth, a song and now a man

Yet there your guys are focusing on a piece of cloth and a song. I said from day one they were doing their cause a disservice by their actions, their efforts would have been better expended protesting in the communities, like outside a particular precinct or at city hall, where their perceived injustices actually occurred.

White people don't appear to pay attention to black protests at city hall. That's why they protest at NFL games.

(10-11-2017 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 07:32 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:13 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]They arent protesting for themselves. They are using their platform to stand up for people with no voice. Asking for Americans to be treated like Americans isn't anti American

Oh? Then why weren't they kneeling en masse PRIOR to Trump saying anything?

Of course some players are just kneeling in protest of Trump but the true protest started before Trump was even in office.

I hate that the actual point of the protest has been lost and the attention is on a piece of cloth, a song and now a man

Yet there your guys are focusing on a piece of cloth and a song. I said from day one they were doing their cause a disservice by their actions, their efforts would have been better expended protesting in the communities, like outside a particular precinct or at city hall, where their perceived injustices actually occurred.

White people don't appear to pay attention to black protests at city hall. That's why they protest at NFL games.

I thought they were protesting Trump? That is what you said last week. The anti cop were are oppressed Kap protest was over. What are they protesting now.

(10-11-2017 10:31 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-11-2017 10:25 AM)TigerBlue4Ever Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 07:32 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 05:44 PM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 03:13 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]They arent protesting for themselves. They are using their platform to stand up for people with no voice. Asking for Americans to be treated like Americans isn't anti American

Oh? Then why weren't they kneeling en masse PRIOR to Trump saying anything?

Of course some players are just kneeling in protest of Trump but the true protest started before Trump was even in office.

I hate that the actual point of the protest has been lost and the attention is on a piece of cloth, a song and now a man

Yet there your guys are focusing on a piece of cloth and a song. I said from day one they were doing their cause a disservice by their actions, their efforts would have been better expended protesting in the communities, like outside a particular precinct or at city hall, where their perceived injustices actually occurred.

White people don't appear to pay attention to black protests at city hall. That's why they protest at NFL games.

What else ya got?

(10-10-2017 07:43 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think it's terrifying that he would suggest changing policies just because he disagrees with a protest

Im so glad we have checks and balances in this country

Actually, he didn't come up with it. The Dems started this a while ago with the idea that owners shouldn't be getting tax benefits from citizens to build their playgrounds.

Republicans in congress jumped on board recently given the protests.

Trump wasn't the first. He's just the most recent.

But one thing is for certain: at this point there seems to be bi-partisan support for cutting tax breaks.


Imagine this -- we've seen the last great sports arena built in the U.S. From now on, budgets will be scaled given the lack of revenue/tax benefit.

(10-11-2017 11:08 AM)umbluegray Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-10-2017 07:43 PM)Dynamos Wrote: [ -> ]I actually think it's terrifying that he would suggest changing policies just because he disagrees with a protest

Im so glad we have checks and balances in this country

Actually, he didn't come up with it. The Dems started this a while ago with the idea that owners shouldn't be getting tax benefits from citizens to build their playgrounds.

Republicans in congress jumped on board recently given the protests.

Trump wasn't the first. He's just the most recent.

But one thing is for certain: at this point there seems to be bi-partisan support for cutting tax breaks.


Imagine this -- we've seen the last great sports arena built in the U.S. From now on, budgets will be scaled given the lack of revenue/tax benefit.

I'm good with that. We can also extend it to college and high school sports too. Let them all stand on their own, or do it within some very strict subsidy guidelines. No more 75 million dollar high school stadiums. No more school district paid six figure coaching salaries. No more thousand dollar student subsidies so State U can pay a football conditioning coach 600 grand a year.

No more cable must take contracts either.

Let them pay their own way.