(10-05-2017 08:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.
You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.
I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.
Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.
Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.
I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.
Using last year....
50 is essentially TCU........yeah, sorry JMU
80 is Syracuse.................yeah, again, sorry bros.
110 is Purdue......don't see JMU hanging there, but getting close.
I don't think JMU would stay out of the bottom 25 in FBS.
I could say the same for ODU against that lineup.
(10-06-2017 08:51 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 08:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.
You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.
I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.
Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.
Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.
I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.
Using last year....
50 is essentially TCU........yeah, sorry JMU
80 is Syracuse.................yeah, again, sorry bros.
110 is Purdue......don't see JMU hanging there, but getting close.
I don't think JMU would stay out of the bottom 25 in FBS.
I could say the same for ODU against that lineup.
LOL. We know that those rankings are gospel.
Seriously, I think JMU would beat us at least 50-50 right now. Once Stevie gets a rapport with the receivers and Cox gets healthy, that may change. I think they would have beaten us early last season as well. Not so late in the season.
JMU fans are all delusional. They think they can come in and play in the AAC because they beat ECU who is having one of their worst years ever. JMU would get waxed by half of C-USA teams. Easy to talk big when all of the good FCS competition has moved on to greener pastures. Dont get me started on JMU basketball which is a complete joke
http://www.breezejmu.org/sports/jmu-spor...1063e.html
(10-06-2017 08:51 AM)JMU2004 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 08:23 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.
You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.
I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.
Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.
Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.
I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.
Using last year....
50 is essentially TCU........yeah, sorry JMU
80 is Syracuse.................yeah, again, sorry bros.
110 is Purdue......don't see JMU hanging there, but getting close.
I don't think JMU would stay out of the bottom 25 in FBS.
I could say the same for ODU against that lineup.
We were about 75 last year. This year, I would be surprised if we arent around 100 with 17 year old QB and lawry/duhart out for year. But, I suspect we will have a pretty good team next year.
Best of luck in the CAA guys.
We were a much better team than JMU when we were in FCS and saw the challenges first hand when moving up. Id say we know a little but about the differences.
(10-05-2017 07:12 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.
You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.
I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.
Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.
Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.
I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.
So, I guess first playing, and then watching D1 FB for the better part of 45+ years means I really don't understand it. 
Sorry, I try not to troll this board, but that last sentence is perhaps the most absurd (and arrogant) comment possible. The truth is there's not that much difference between low-level FBS (which includes ODU), and high-level FCS (which includes JMU). The only real difference is in the depth provided by the 22 extra scholarships.
If you thought my post was the most arrogant post possible, then you've misunderstood it. You clearly understand football since you played, so you know that all of this talk is meaningless until the teams meet on the field. I would think depth is an important part of a football team, but of course, what do I know, I don't have 45+ years of watching experience.
Armchair Quarterbacks unite!
(10-06-2017 10:48 AM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ]Armchair Quarterbacks unite!
i dunno, doing the math on Longhorn i think nursing home lobby quarterback is probably more accurate
(10-06-2017 10:39 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:12 PM)Longhorn Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 07:02 PM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-05-2017 04:46 PM)JMUisat2014 Wrote: [ -> ] (10-03-2017 01:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]JMU is a very good FCS team, but they couldn't hang with probably the top 110 or so teams in FBS. ECU is as bad as Charlotte and Rice (probably worse) this year.
You can't be serious. There's 130 teams in FBS. You think the #1 FCS squad in any given year isn't good enough to beat more than the bottom 20? that's hilarious.. because it's been proven otherwise year after year and I'd think fans of a former FCS school would understand that. But maybe you all weren't around long enough to figure it out, maybe it's misplaced pride, I don't know.
I'd put my money on a top 5 FCS over any FBS team with a ranking that's even flirting with three digits.
Getting a marquee win and playing a full FBS schedule and consistently winning are two different things. I feel 110 is too low for JMU, but I originally posted the question that no one answered: where in the FBS would JMU rank? 80? 50? I honestly don't know, but I would think closer to 80.
Not all of us are smug about the football team and our fast rise. But there is a fact that we all saw with our own eyes: there is a major difference between and FCS and FBS football squad. We've been watching it happen right in front of us. The level of play keeps getting better, kids are noticeably bigger.
I don't think you can really understand it until you see it yourself.
So, I guess first playing, and then watching D1 FB for the better part of 45+ years means I really don't understand it.
Sorry, I try not to troll this board, but that last sentence is perhaps the most absurd (and arrogant) comment possible. The truth is there's not that much difference between low-level FBS (which includes ODU), and high-level FCS (which includes JMU). The only real difference is in the depth provided by the 22 extra scholarships.
If you thought my post was the most arrogant post possible, then you've misunderstood it. You clearly understand football since you played, so you know that all of this talk is meaningless until the teams meet on the field. I would think depth is an important part of a football team, but of course, what do I know, I don't have 45+ years of watching experience.
This is absolutely correct.
Hence my post a few days ago
(10-03-2017 07:49 AM)ODUalum78 Wrote: [ -> ]With fewer schollies and associated depth, JMU will likely not get much better, if at all, as the season progresses. Indeed the Dukes may have already peaked.
There is a good possibility that by the end of the season, JMU moves to number 4.
However right now, there is a strong argument for them to be number 2.
The size of FBS players is generally bigger. More so than I thought. The depth of the FBS teams is deeper for obvious reasons. That said, the top FCS teams are definitely as good as the bottom FBS teams. The lack of depth and ability to absorb injuries compared to FBS might cause a great FCS team to stumble more over the course of a G5 season, but early on, the quality of the teams would be about the same. And barring injuries it would remain about the same. I'd imagine this year JMU would beat Charlotte, UTEP and Rice. I'll say they would quite possibly beat ODU this year as well, though I think it would be a close game. We're probably a 85-100 place team this season. JMU would not finish in last place of any G5 conference this year.
(10-06-2017 10:51 AM)jasdf Wrote: [ -> ] (10-06-2017 10:48 AM)Grommet Wrote: [ -> ]Armchair Quarterbacks unite!
i dunno, doing the math on Longhorn i think nursing home lobby quarterback is probably more accurate
65, and lively. Not quite ready for the nursing home yet. And the position was called a "Flanker" or "Wing Back" in those glory days of yesteryore. That's a WR for you whippersnappers, but Texas never threw the ball in my playing days.
(10-06-2017 10:39 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ]If you thought my post was the most arrogant post possible, then you've misunderstood it. You clearly understand football since you played, so you know that all of this talk is meaningless until the teams meet on the field. I would think depth is an important part of a football team, but of course, what do I know, I don't have 45+ years of watching experience.
If he thought that post was arrogant, man he ain't seen nothing yet!
I wouldn't worry about the second part either. I've got 35+ years experience watching teh pron. The wife assures me there hasn't been a corollary increase in sexytime skills.
Because I was up early and bored, I decided to do an "apples-to-apples" recruiting case study of an upper-level FCS school vs a mid-major FBS school via 247Sports.
For 2017, our 'worst' recruit (Washington) graded out at .7575 two-star. That's a better rating than 2/3 of JMUs entire class. Their bottom 8 are unrated, and the next two graded out lower than Washington. THAT's the difference between FCS and FBS. That said I subscribe to Giles' theory that the services don't pay much attention at this level, so who knows who will be a superstar and who will be a flash in the pan.
For reference Texas' lowest guy was a .80 three-star
Clemson's was .86
Hypothetical record:
ODU 2 - JMU 8
Actual Record:
ODU 2 - JMU 0
I remember recruiting services never eating any of our guys. No such thing as Apple's to Apple's in recruiting rankings unless you're all in the sec.
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Horse puckey on several fronts.
Hah, never heard horse pucky.
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Did he coin that's what she said?! That was a bit before my time.