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I love watching this guy play. He’s definitely going to be a contributor for years to come!

Certainly. You can see why Tim Lester and staff wanted to have him around and not lining up against us in Ypsilanti.

NFL prospect for sure

He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

As much as I like Lester, if he is successful after 2-3 years at WMU, he will be gone just like every other MAC/G5 coach who has seen success. Too much $ involved to expect otherwise. Besides, in football you are hired to be fired. Al Molde won a MAC Championship at WMU, but was fired several years later. Timing is everything.

(10-02-2017 10:34 AM)GullLake Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

As much as I like Lester, if he is successful after 2-3 years at WMU, he will be gone just like every other MAC/G5 coach who has seen success. Too much $ involved to expect otherwise. Besides, in football you are hired to be fired. Al Molde won a MAC Championship at WMU, but was fired several years later. Timing is everything.

"successful" by that standard though means getting your MAC team into the Top 20. Cubit was a successful coach, but never really got the P5 looks. PJ didnt either untill year 3.

(10-02-2017 10:59 AM)brovol Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 10:34 AM)GullLake Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

As much as I like Lester, if he is successful after 2-3 years at WMU, he will be gone just like every other MAC/G5 coach who has seen success. Too much $ involved to expect otherwise. Besides, in football you are hired to be fired. Al Molde won a MAC Championship at WMU, but was fired several years later. Timing is everything.

"successful" by that standard though means getting your MAC team into the Top 20. Cubit was a successful coach, but never really got the P5 looks. PJ didnt either untill year 3.

Had Cubit won a MAC Championship (which he should have sometime between 2006-2008 with the talent he assembled) and not been owned by WMU's arch-rival, he would have been "successful" and likely had P5 opportunities.

However, Cubit's teams were always out of championship contention by Halloween and that 0-5 stretch against CMU was inexcusable and intolerable.

As likable as Cubit is/was, he could not get WMU "over-the-hump" and his Broncos were never better than mediocre.

(10-02-2017 10:34 AM)GullLake Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

As much as I like Lester, if he is successful after 2-3 years at WMU, he will be gone just like every other MAC/G5 coach who has seen success. Too much $ involved to expect otherwise. Besides, in football you are hired to be fired. Al Molde won a MAC Championship at WMU, but was fired several years later. Timing is everything.

Agreed, Lester spent last few years at P5 level he knows the game. Even Conference USA and American are paying much more than MAC salary levels for coaches. PJ hit the perfect storm, 13-1 and Minnesota program in flames.

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

Haha, have you looked at Creighton's recruiting his entire tenure at EMU. Always the bottom 2 or 3 in the MAC. That is his one giant achilles heel, that may hinder him when he's up for other jobs. Not worried about the 'recruiting effect' of him leaving.

Actually, if he left we'd probably recruit better, now that the program has had some decent success. Especially if we break ground on all of the new facilities at the end of the season.

He has done a good job, but with 1 glaring weakness.

Minnesota went 9-4, not exactly in flames. But hey, that's a good narrative for the Peej fans to use when he goes 5-7. "He took over a program in flames!"

(10-02-2017 12:23 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: [ -> ]Minnesota went 9-4, not exactly in flames. But hey, that's a good narrative for the Peej fans to use when he goes 5-7. "He took over a program in flames!"

We need them to win 6 games so we can play them in a bowl game.

(10-02-2017 10:26 AM)flushtheherd Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

I have to wonder if Creighton is starting to look to recruits as a bit risky.... He's having some serious success at EMU and could lead to him getting plucked away sooner than later... trying to get a kid to sign a letter committing to play at said University for the next 4 to 5 years with a coach that most likely will be gone before you graduate might be tough if EMU continues to have success... Its the other side of the knife as a mid-major... not only do we lose are coaches too soon... the recruits see the writing on the wall and likely don't want to go somewhere where the coach will be hired away during their time at the school...

This is why it was paramount if PJ didn't leave... that he was given a HUGE pay raise and extension... Tim Lester right now looks like an easy bet to stick around for quite awhile at WMU... if he can have success right out the gate it will benefit our recruiting ten fold...

Not so sure about your assumption that players shy away from successful coaches in the MAC because they may leave. Did not seem to hurt PJ's recruiting when he had back to back 8 win seasons. He still had the top ranked class in the MAC while we were on our run last year.

(10-02-2017 12:23 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote: [ -> ]Minnesota went 9-4, not exactly in flames. But hey, that's a good narrative for the Peej fans to use when he goes 5-7. "He took over a program in flames!"

Minnesota is a Pig10 program. I am a MAC graduate and fan.

A former WMU "hired hand" is Minnesota's current coach. So what?!

I don't care who is coach at Minnesota, or any Pig10 program. I want it to lose EVERY non-conference game badly and I want it to badly beat BOTH Michigan and Michigan State.

Other than that, I am indifferent.

However, I am not indifferent on the play of Mr. Fayad. What a wonderful addition he is to the Bronco program!

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

2nd flip on nearly the same day from EMU by Lester. The lanky WR from my backyard, Jaylen Hall, was thought to be going to EMU. time will tell if that was a good move. but given the short cycle and lack of depth from that position it was a move that Lester had to make.

(10-02-2017 08:23 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

2nd flip on nearly the same day from EMU by Lester. The lanky WR from my backyard, Jaylen Hall, was thought to be going to EMU. time will tell if that was a good move. but given the short cycle and lack of depth from that position it was a move that Lester had to make.

You can't teach 6'4" with speed, but you can always teach them how to add 20 pounds of muscle and how to catch with your hands,

(10-02-2017 12:22 PM)EagleTough Wrote: [ -> ]Haha, have you looked at Creighton's recruiting his entire tenure at EMU. Always the bottom 2 or 3 in the MAC. That is his one giant achilles heel, that may hinder him when he's up for other jobs. Not worried about the 'recruiting effect' of him leaving.

Actually, if he left we'd probably recruit better, now that the program has had some decent success. Especially if we break ground on all of the new facilities at the end of the season.

He has done a good job, but with 1 glaring weakness.

Yep, that's the interesting thing. Looking at the recruiting rankings, EMU's been in the bottom the past few years. Crazy how he can't recruit but they're still doing well. Maybe the opposite of PJ?

Fayad was my least favorite recruit last year. I was so wrong, he was a steal.

(10-02-2017 08:23 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

2nd flip on nearly the same day from EMU by Lester. The lanky WR from my backyard, Jaylen Hall, was thought to be going to EMU. time will tell if that was a good move. but given the short cycle and lack of depth from that position it was a move that Lester had to make.

Fayad wouldn't have played for 3 years, so probably a good move by him. A real stretch to say Hall 'flipped' when he was never committed, haha. We were reaching with a DITR offer and his only other interest was Saginaw Valley, Northwood and Grand Valley...... = D2 talent. Congrats to Lester!

(10-02-2017 08:55 PM)EagleTough Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 08:23 PM)WMUlaxer97 Wrote: [ -> ]

(10-02-2017 09:40 AM)goldsworth Wrote: [ -> ]He was a stand out at Dearborn High. Was committed to emu WMUs,coaching staff were,on the ball and scooped him up.I had heard a rumor the coaches from Belleville have a connection with the WMU staff and they tipped off the WMU staff and said they needed to look at him .

2nd flip on nearly the same day from EMU by Lester. The lanky WR from my backyard, Jaylen Hall, was thought to be going to EMU. time will tell if that was a good move. but given the short cycle and lack of depth from that position it was a move that Lester had to make.

Fayad wouldn't have played for 3 years, so probably a good move by him. A real stretch to say Hall 'flipped' when he was never committed, haha. We were reaching with a DITR offer and his only other interest was Saginaw Valley, Northwood and Grand Valley...... = D2 talent. Congrats to Lester!

Hall had offers from UMass and UConn too.