(12-19-2017 10:01 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Whoever developed their schedule, is a joke. What an embarrassment to their program. How far have they fallen?
Not everything is cut and dried. Ewing was left with nothing and they are going to have a rough conference schedule. The schedule was made to develop young players knowing a tourney appearance is not happening.
If they have the same schedule next year, they need to really reevaluate. I would guess one time thing.
This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
Build confidence? Get experience under belt in lower pressure situations? Throw in freshman right off the bat vs Top teams might be counter productive.
Why not have a nice balance? They have the 3rd worst strength of schedule in the country.
They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
(12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:01 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Not everything is cut and dried. Ewing was left with nothing and they are going to have a rough conference schedule. The schedule was made to develop young players knowing a tourney appearance is not happening.
If they have the same schedule next year, they need to really reevaluate. I would guess one time thing.
This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
Build confidence? Get experience under belt in lower pressure situations? Throw in freshman right off the bat vs Top teams might be counter productive.
Why not have a nice balance? They have the 3rd worst strength of schedule in the country.
They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
(12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:01 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
Build confidence? Get experience under belt in lower pressure situations? Throw in freshman right off the bat vs Top teams might be counter productive.
Why not have a nice balance? They have the 3rd worst strength of schedule in the country.
They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
(12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:01 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:58 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Build confidence? Get experience under belt in lower pressure situations? Throw in freshman right off the bat vs Top teams might be counter productive.
Why not have a nice balance? They have the 3rd worst strength of schedule in the country.
They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
(12-19-2017 10:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:01 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Why not have a nice balance? They have the 3rd worst strength of schedule in the country.
They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
Which one do you think gets more attention? Beating Notre Dame (i didnt know they did) or losing by 20 to Fort Wayne?
(12-19-2017 10:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
Which one do you think gets more attention? Beating Notre Dame (i didnt know they did) or losing by 20 to Fort Wayne?
IPFW could win their conference, so I'll say beating Notre Dame on ESPN.
(12-19-2017 10:58 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
Which one do you think gets more attention? Beating Notre Dame (i didnt know they did) or losing by 20 to Fort Wayne?
IPFW could win their conference, so I'll say beating Notre Dame on ESPN.
How does their league stack up to CUSA?
(12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:25 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Georgetown is happy with being the top team in the MEAC right now. I don't think we would be happy with that. I would much rather play P5 teams than NSU's. At least it is a road game that if we win it can be seen as a good win vs a home win against a bad team.
Whoever developed their schedule, is a joke. What an embarrassment to their program. How far have they fallen?
Not everything is cut and dried. Ewing was left with nothing and they are going to have a rough conference schedule. The schedule was made to develop young players knowing a tourney appearance is not happening.
If they have the same schedule next year, they need to really reevaluate. I would guess one time thing.
This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
I couldn't agree with this more.
You will eventually rise or fall to the level of your competition. That is why I believe we should be scheduling the most difficult non con we can every year. You become whatever tier you associate with as long as you are not completely hamstrung by resources like the MEAC, because you learn to play at the level of your competition. You may take some lumps along the way, but in the long run it is for the best.
... and now come the posters who take everything to the extreme to tell me that if we play Kentucky every game we will never be Kentucky.
(12-19-2017 11:02 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:58 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
Which one do you think gets more attention? Beating Notre Dame (i didnt know they did) or losing by 20 to Fort Wayne?
IPFW could win their conference, so I'll say beating Notre Dame on ESPN.
How does their league stack up to CUSA?
13th real time rpi vs CUSA 15th.
Here’s the part about scheduling that we, as fans, often forget. It takes two to tango. I’d bet a significant sum of money that Jeff would love to have 2 ACC teams come to our building every year. The name teams everyone wants to see here are not lining up to play us in the Ted, where we have historically been very good.
(12-19-2017 11:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:25 AM)Mr.BigBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Georgetown is happy with being the top team in the MEAC right now. I don't think we would be happy with that. I would much rather play P5 teams than NSU's. At least it is a road game that if we win it can be seen as a good win vs a home win against a bad team.
Whoever developed their schedule, is a joke. What an embarrassment to their program. How far have they fallen?
Not everything is cut and dried. Ewing was left with nothing and they are going to have a rough conference schedule. The schedule was made to develop young players knowing a tourney appearance is not happening.
If they have the same schedule next year, they need to really reevaluate. I would guess one time thing.
This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
I couldn't agree with this more.
You will eventually rise or fall to the level of your competition. That is why I believe we should be scheduling the most difficult non con we can every year. You become whatever tier you associate with as long as you are not completely hamstrung by resources like the MEAC, because you learn to play at the level of your competition. You may take some lumps along the way, but in the long run it is for the best.
... and now come the posters who take everything to the extreme to tell me that if we play Kentucky every game we will never be Kentucky.
I just wonder how differently you'd feel if we had St Bonaventure (#2 team in A10 right now according to kenpom) on the schedule instead of Fairfield, like we originally had. It would be a pretty balanced schedule. If we could have beaten Temple in that tournament it would have opened up the chance to play another quality team there. W&M and VCU should always be on the schedule. A tune-up game should always be on the schedule. Towson and JMU were good bonuses, it would be nice to replace JMU with a school that cared more about basketball. NSU on the schedule is good for Norfolk. So in my mind that leaves three spots to improve the schedule (JMU, Richmond, Bowling Green). Richmond is usually good, right? Bowling Green is usually good and we destroyed them, making it not look like a quality opponent. So that just leaves the JMU game to replace with in a perfect world, VaTech or UVA, if they would have us. If not, how about Maryland, WVU. Or a bottom tier ACC school like NC State or Wake.
(12-19-2017 11:17 AM)odu09 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 11:03 AM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 09:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:49 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 08:32 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ]Whoever developed their schedule, is a joke. What an embarrassment to their program. How far have they fallen?
Not everything is cut and dried. Ewing was left with nothing and they are going to have a rough conference schedule. The schedule was made to develop young players knowing a tourney appearance is not happening.
If they have the same schedule next year, they need to really reevaluate. I would guess one time thing.
This is a thought I have never understood. If you are in a tough conference...Why wouldn't you challenge yourself before conference play? Throw these young guys into the fire and see what you have.
I couldn't agree with this more.
You will eventually rise or fall to the level of your competition. That is why I believe we should be scheduling the most difficult non con we can every year. You become whatever tier you associate with as long as you are not completely hamstrung by resources like the MEAC, because you learn to play at the level of your competition. You may take some lumps along the way, but in the long run it is for the best.
... and now come the posters who take everything to the extreme to tell me that if we play Kentucky every game we will never be Kentucky.
I just wonder how differently you'd feel if we had St Bonaventure (#2 team in A10 right now according to kenpom) on the schedule instead of Fairfield, like we originally had. It would be a pretty balanced schedule. If we could have beaten Temple in that tournament it would have opened up the chance to play another quality team there. W&M and VCU should always be on the schedule. A tune-up game should always be on the schedule. Towson and JMU were good bonuses, it would be nice to replace JMU with a school that cared more about basketball. NSU on the schedule is good for Norfolk. So in my mind that leaves three spots to improve the schedule (JMU, Richmond, Bowling Green). Richmond is usually good, right? Bowling Green is usually good and we destroyed them, making it not look like a quality opponent. So that just leaves the JMU game to replace with in a perfect world, VaTech or UVA, if they would have us. If not, how about Maryland, WVU. Or a bottom tier ACC school like NC State or Wake.
I would like to have gotten rid of the UMES game. I don't have that much of a problem with our schedule.
I would think its almost impossible to have a schedule full of P5 and mid major powers. I see every team play at least a couple crappy schools.
Did y'all see WVU played Wheeling Jesuit (D2) last Saturday? It was as an exhibition game, a month and half into the season. That's a weird one.
(12-19-2017 11:46 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]Did y'all see WVU played Wheeling Jesuit (D2) last Saturday? It was as an exhibition game, a month and half into the season. That's a weird one.
That caught my eye too. The only reason I knew Wheeling Jesuit was a college and not a high school was I interviewed for a job in Wheeling once and passed their campus. There must have been some reason that game got signed beyond “hey, let’s play a D2 team in the middle of the OOC!”
(12-19-2017 12:11 PM)Cyniclone Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 11:46 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote: [ -> ]Did y'all see WVU played Wheeling Jesuit (D2) last Saturday? It was as an exhibition game, a month and half into the season. That's a weird one.
That caught my eye too. The only reason I knew Wheeling Jesuit was a college and not a high school was I interviewed for a job in Wheeling once and passed their campus. There must have been some reason that game got signed beyond “hey, let’s play a D2 team in the middle of the OOC!”
Apparently, they just didnt want to blow a game after the break for finals;
Quote:The Mountaineers, coming off finals week, had an open weekend in their schedule and opted to play their second exhibition game now instead of at the beginning of the season to bridge the long gap between last Saturday night's Pitt game and Wednesday night's game against Coppin State.
http://wvusports.com/news/2017/12/16/men...esuit.aspx
(12-19-2017 10:56 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:47 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:22 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:17 AM)757ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 10:09 AM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]They are in complete rebuilding mode. Im not sure what sheduling tough games does for them early in thr year as opposed to all the tough teams they are about to play. A few months ago they werent even sure if they would have 8 scholarship Players.
How would recruits look at them if they were 2-10 right now?
The same way they will look at them when they get throttled in their own conference. Also, I am not talking about scheduling Duke or Michigan State. I am simply stating that they should be scheduling better than they are. Jay Williams consistently rips teams for this.
Then they risk losing by 20 to Fort Wayne like Indiana did. Lol
I think a 16-14 season looks a lot better to recruits than 5-25 no matter who is on schedule.
While also earning the chance to beat Notre Dame on ESPN, like Indiana did. Lol
Which one do you think gets more attention? Beating Notre Dame (i didnt know they did) or losing by 20 to Fort Wayne?
Beating Notre Dame. Also, almost beating Duke. Most people won't know they lost to Ft Wayne a month from now.
(12-19-2017 11:17 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Here’s the part about scheduling that we, as fans, often forget. It takes two to tango. I’d bet a significant sum of money that Jeff would love to have 2 ACC teams come to our building every year. The name teams everyone wants to see here are not lining up to play us in the Ted, where we have historically been very good.
True, but we can always go 2 for 1, or 1 and a buyout. Winning road games against P5s is always good for the eye test.
(12-19-2017 02:46 PM)ODUBB35 Wrote: [ -> ] (12-19-2017 11:17 AM)ODUCoach Wrote: [ -> ]Here’s the part about scheduling that we, as fans, often forget. It takes two to tango. I’d bet a significant sum of money that Jeff would love to have 2 ACC teams come to our building every year. The name teams everyone wants to see here are not lining up to play us in the Ted, where we have historically been very good.
True, but we can always go 2 for 1, or 1 and a buyout. Winning road games against P5s is always good for the eye test.
Agreed, but fans will then complain that we don’t have enough good home games (and even 2 for 1s are difficult to find these days for programs like ours). I’m not particularly satisfied with our home schedule, but I’m intellectually honest enough to admit that putting together a schedule is much more difficult than I think it is.
At this point, I would be happy with a road game against an ACC team each year without the return trips. I am tired of the stale schedule. Even the better teams we play are getting a little boring at this point because we play them every year. I don't need to see JMU or W&M every year.