(09-12-2017 11:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 11:13 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 10:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 10:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 10:32 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ]I hope this revelation didn't really come from this thread...
The non-religious are now the country's largest religious voting bloc
The World's Newest Major Religion: No Religion
I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.
You in fact do not know if you've ever met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I bet you feel really good about yourself every time you borrow that joke.
Well, heck fire if you are so convinced you evolved from a monkey invite me to your next family reunion and I will bring the bananas. That adds a whole new meaning to byob!
I'm not convinced of anything beyond the fact that you don't know any more than I do.
Ah yes, God created the heavens and the earth over seven days(except they weren't really days, or were they?) amd oh yeah, he existed before that, because he always existed, right?
This you believe because of books written thousands of years ago by men no different than you or me, but the notion that we share an evolutionary link with modern primates is somehow utterly ridiculous?
The difference between you and me is I'm not making jokes or telling you that you're wrong for having faith in what you've chosen to believe in, but you're offering to "bring bananas" to my next family reunion for merely suggesting it is not possible to know whether or not we were created or evolved.
The difference between you and me is, my belief system isn't predicated on convincing myself that I know I'm right. I understand how important that is to you, so I'll respectfully bow out.
The banana joke was in response to your response to the "ass" joke. I was cutting up with you. I believe what I believe, nobody on this board is going to change that. And The odds are on this board I'm not going to change what some one else believes. I can't figure out why they are wasting their time. And I respect what you believe. I disagree with it but I respect it. I always reserve the right for some one to be wrong.
(09-12-2017 11:51 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 11:29 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 11:13 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 10:40 PM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 10:38 PM)Rabonchild Wrote: [ -> ]I have never met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I have met a few men who made an ass of their self.
You in fact do not know if you've ever met a man that evolved from a monkey, but I bet you feel really good about yourself every time you borrow that joke.
Well, heck fire if you are so convinced you evolved from a monkey invite me to your next family reunion and I will bring the bananas. That adds a whole new meaning to byob!
I'm not convinced of anything beyond the fact that you don't know any more than I do.
Ah yes, God created the heavens and the earth over seven days(except they weren't really days, or were they?) amd oh yeah, he existed before that, because he always existed, right?
This you believe because of books written thousands of years ago by men no different than you or me, but the notion that we share an evolutionary link with modern primates is somehow utterly ridiculous?
The difference between you and me is I'm not making jokes or telling you that you're wrong for having faith in what you've chosen to believe in, but you're offering to "bring bananas" to my next family reunion for merely suggesting it is not possible to know whether or not we were created or evolved.
The difference between you and me is, my belief system isn't predicated on convincing myself that I know I'm right. I understand how important that is to you, so I'll respectfully bow out.
The banana joke was in response to your response to the "ass" joke. I was cutting up with you. I believe what I believe, nobody on this board is going to change that. And The odds are on this board I'm not going to change what some one else believes. I can't figure out why they are wasting their time. And I respect what you believe. I disagree with it but I respect it. I always reserve the right for some one to be wrong.
Again, you can't respond without telling me I'm wrong, yet you're the one claiming he "knows" something that is
literally unknowable.
Again, your position is more predicated on convincing yourself you are right than mine is.
So I'll do you a favor, you're right...
The non-religious typically never breed, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
Sooooo can we get back to sports?
(09-13-2017 07:52 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]The non-religious typically never breed, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
What a well supported fact based interjection.
The funny thing is, if this were actually remotely true, I'm not sure why you're comforted by it.
1) If the nonreligious aren't "breeding", the numbers are rising on their own, which means a greater number of people leaving religion.
2) Why do you care in the first place? What's the negative impact on you of nonreligious breeding? What's the positive of them not? More room in heaven?
3) Are you suggesting the single biggest factor im determining one's religion(or lack thereof), is their parents?
MTP I'm just cutting up with you. It takes faith to believe in a Creative God, but it also takes faith to believe in the Big Bang theory and that out of nothing something came into existence. The belief in either does not make one person better than the other.
Creation is a theory. Evolution is a theory. People on both sides have a problem with that.
(09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.
Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.
For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.
To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.
Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking). So, from that perspective your statement is true that those parts of evolution are theory. However, science has established that evolution is a verifiable outcome particularly among creatures whose environment changed over time. There is factual evidence to back up those aspects of evolution.
When it comes to evolution it tends to be grouped into one category instead of multiple categories. Maybe one way to look it this is Evolution with a capital "E" and evolution with lower case "e"
Evolution strategically speaking as the explanation of how life came to be and is on earth = Theory (and unproven). In other words, evolution does not explain life. It explains how life changes and adapts.
evolution on a more tactical level that describes the process by which living organisms change has been proven scientifically many times over.
(09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).
How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?
You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.
How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?
(09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.
Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.
For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.
To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.
Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking). So, from that perspective your statement is true that those parts of evolution are theory. However, science has established that evolution is a verifiable outcome particularly among creatures whose environment changed over time. There is factual evidence to back up those aspects of evolution.
When it comes to evolution it tends to be grouped into one category instead of multiple categories. Maybe one way to look it this is Evolution with a capital "E" and evolution with lower case "e"
Evolution strategically speaking as the explanation of how life came to be and is on earth = Theory (and unproven). In other words, evolution does not explain life. It explains how life changes and adapts.
evolution on a more tactical level that describes the process by which living organisms change has been proven scientifically many times over.
This doesn't exist. Evolution only attempts to explain the changing of traits in lifeforms over generations. it never attempts to explain how life started on the planet.
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.
Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.
For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.
To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.
Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking). So, from that perspective your statement is true that those parts of evolution are theory. However, science has established that evolution is a verifiable outcome particularly among creatures whose environment changed over time. There is factual evidence to back up those aspects of evolution.
When it comes to evolution it tends to be grouped into one category instead of multiple categories. Maybe one way to look it this is Evolution with a capital "E" and evolution with lower case "e"
Evolution strategically speaking as the explanation of how life came to be and is on earth = Theory (and unproven). In other words, evolution does not explain life. It explains how life changes and adapts.
evolution on a more tactical level that describes the process by which living organisms change has been proven scientifically many times over.
This doesn't exist. Evolution only attempts to explain the changing of traits in lifeforms over generations. it never attempts to explain how life started on the planet.
Not how life
started no, but how life got from that moment to present day.
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).
How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?
You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.
How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?
Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.
(09-13-2017 08:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.
Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.
For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.
To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.
Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking). So, from that perspective your statement is true that those parts of evolution are theory. However, science has established that evolution is a verifiable outcome particularly among creatures whose environment changed over time. There is factual evidence to back up those aspects of evolution.
When it comes to evolution it tends to be grouped into one category instead of multiple categories. Maybe one way to look it this is Evolution with a capital "E" and evolution with lower case "e"
Evolution strategically speaking as the explanation of how life came to be and is on earth = Theory (and unproven). In other words, evolution does not explain life. It explains how life changes and adapts.
evolution on a more tactical level that describes the process by which living organisms change has been proven scientifically many times over.
This doesn't exist. Evolution only attempts to explain the changing of traits in lifeforms over generations. it never attempts to explain how life started on the planet.
That's a false statement. Generally speaking when the question of Evolution is raised it is almost universally in the context of Evolution vs. Creationism. And that's how most people think about it and argue about it as we have already seen in this thread (even if that wasn't the intention).
From the Oxford definition:
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified...
If you google "evolution explains..." Google will automatically fill in ..."the origin of life."
So, I disagree that it doesn't exist. I know it exists.
(09-13-2017 09:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).
How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?
You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.
How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?
Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.
What? You seem confused. Are you talking about how life came to be on the planet or how matter came to be in the universe? Either way neither is evolution.
(09-13-2017 09:55 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 09:44 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:59 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking).
How is this premise more preposterous than any other human origin story?
You, unlike others in this thread, have shown you understand evolution is real and provable as opposed to Evolution(to borrow your upper/lowercase) which is a theory.
How is the theory of creationism somehow more believable based on anything observable in the natural world?
Because out of nothing can nothing else be made. The biggest problem with Evolution (big E) is that the origin is blank. If the Big Bang happened where did the gases, sub atomic particles, and elements come from? If you lean toward either it's most certainly too difficult to ever be proven by man and the complexity far beyond man's ability to comprehend. If we accept that then the debate becomes nothing more than people wanting to argue.
What? You seem confused. Are you talking about how life came to be on the planet or how matter came to be in the universe? Either way neither is evolution.
There are hundreds of thousands of people in the world (including scientists) who believe evolution is how life was created. Look at the Oxford definition above.
(09-13-2017 09:52 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:59 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:32 AM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:25 PM)FTW ODU Wrote: [ -> ] (09-12-2017 08:16 PM)ThreeifbyLightning Wrote: [ -> ]Can't believe you fools are going to suck me into this.
Bottom line. Evolution is a scientific proven phenomenon. It's not a theory. Evolution is proven.
For evolution to be a thing, however, you have to have some sort of creation. **** can't just evolve from nothing. Big Bang is just a theory, and as such its a difficult jump to just come to the conclusion that it all just "happened." It is also difficult to believe in some sort of higher power. Both are hard to comprehend. There is a lot we don't understand as humans.
That said, there is nothing wrong with Faith and believing in a higher power. Pretty naive I would think that the human race is as good as it gets. It's ok to believe in both God and evolution IMO. It's not just the people who wrote the Bible who are the only ones that witnessed Jesus, so there is some evidence there even if it isn't as errorless as some would say. And certainly isn't anything wrong with teaching it at a private university if that's where people want to go and spend their money.
To be perfectly fair and accurate, scientifically speaking both creationism and evolution are, and always will be, theories. To be a fact according to the scientific methodology a theory can only be fact if it is repeatable; neither are. Sorry to throw in science into a philosophy debate.
Evolution only as a means of how life became to be and changed over time is a theory. The premise that man evolved from apes is a theory (and one that I find preposterous personally speaking). So, from that perspective your statement is true that those parts of evolution are theory. However, science has established that evolution is a verifiable outcome particularly among creatures whose environment changed over time. There is factual evidence to back up those aspects of evolution.
When it comes to evolution it tends to be grouped into one category instead of multiple categories. Maybe one way to look it this is Evolution with a capital "E" and evolution with lower case "e"
Evolution strategically speaking as the explanation of how life came to be and is on earth = Theory (and unproven). In other words, evolution does not explain life. It explains how life changes and adapts.
evolution on a more tactical level that describes the process by which living organisms change has been proven scientifically many times over.
This doesn't exist. Evolution only attempts to explain the changing of traits in lifeforms over generations. it never attempts to explain how life started on the planet.
That's a false statement. Generally speaking when the question of Evolution is raised it is almost universally in the context of Evolution vs. Creationism. And that's how most people think about it and argue about it as we have already seen in this thread (even if that wasn't the intention).
From the Oxford definition: the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified...
If you google "evolution explains..." Google will automatically fill in ..."the origin of life."
So, I disagree that it doesn't exist. I know it exists.
I'm not interested in what a bunch of dumbies google or whether they compare evolution to creationism. That doesn't prove anything. If it shows anything at all it shows that people don't understand evolutionary theory. That's a social aspect of the the subject and nothing of the subject itself.
And you're misunderstanding that definition.
the process by which different kinds of living organisms are thought to have developed and diversified...
So humans developed from a different species and that species developed from a different species and so on and so forth. That's evolution. Where the first organism on earth came from or how it was formed is not. And the Bing Bang is certainly not.
(09-13-2017 08:03 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 07:52 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]The non-religious typically never breed, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
2) Why do you care in the first place?
I don't really. I'm not the one who has posted 74 times on this thread.
OMG Liberty religious school GRRRRR muh atheism muh college days.
(09-08-2017 08:58 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-08-2017 08:09 AM)mturn017 Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder if we countered. Everything has its price after all and I think 1.5 million per school is way too low to increase our already swollen ranks. What price would you add Liberty for? I say no less than $10 mil per school so $140 mil but I would have gone for around $15mil/school first to see if they bit. Do you think they'd pay $210 mil to join CUSA?
Still not enough.
And the idea of a check that big for some pseudo higher learning institution with more than slightly dubious leadership to join an athletic conference is pretty gross, is that really what the church needs to be spending their money on?
They'd be the NCAA equivalent of Creflo Dollar
Let's go back in the thread a bit.
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who first make these conversations about religion? Naturally you can take no action in this thread considering you yourself hijacked it.
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who stand up on their soapbox and tell other people how charitable they should be and how they should spend their money instead of looking in the mirror first?
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who claim a pretty good university to be a "pseudo-higher learning institution" in a conference hardly known for academic prestige?
You're going to be late to your ANTIFA rally if you don't get off this thread.
(09-13-2017 10:12 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 08:03 AM)MTPiKapp Wrote: [ -> ] (09-13-2017 07:52 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]The non-religious typically never breed, so I wouldn't worry too much about that.
2) Why do you care in the first place?
I don't really. I'm not the one who has posted 74 times on this thread.
OMG Liberty religious school GRRRRR muh atheism muh college days.
One reason to care is because our sports board gets overrun with debates on evolution (see this thread for proof).
(09-13-2017 10:12 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]OMG Liberty religious school GRRRRR muh atheism muh college days.
(09-13-2017 10:19 AM)shiftyeagle Wrote: [ -> ]Let's go back in the thread a bit.
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who first make these conversations about religion? Naturally you can take no action in this thread considering you yourself hijacked it.
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who stand up on their soapbox and tell other people how charitable they should be and how they should spend their money instead of looking in the mirror first?
See how it is always the non-religious bigots who claim a pretty good university to be a "pseudo-higher learning institution" in a conference hardly known for academic prestige?
You're going to be late to your ANTIFA rally if you don't get off this thread.
I am not in college.
I am not an atheist.
Nothing I have said is remotely biggoted.
I am not in Antifa, nor do I have any interest in being so. Though if you're asking me to choose between Antifa and Nazis and Klansmen, the choice is easy.
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