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Interesting.
No thanks.
Wouldn't expect a Trumper to be interested in individualism.
(09-05-2017 08:37 PM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't expect a Trumper to be interested in individualism.

If that's what you think she was about...
The collective cry, GET ON THE TRAIN!!! A real rally call to the individual.
Objectivism is another movement that started out with the best of intentions that ultimately failed because the cult leader became increasingly erratic as she aged. Towards her end, her movement fractured because some of the group weren't "pure enough" for the movement of true believers. There's no doubt that the woman had an influence in libertarian thought; however, the irony of it all was she loathed libertarianism.

Anthem was required reading for Sr English in my HS. I liked the story. Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged. If I "hear" Dagny Taggart whisper once more time...I'll punch her in the throat. Referencing the phrase peppered throughout the book hundreds upon hundreds of time..."Yes", she whispered
(09-05-2017 10:19 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Objectivism is another movement that started out with the best of intentions that ultimately failed because the cult leader became increasingly erratic as she aged. Towards her end, her movement fractured because some of the group weren't "pure enough" for the movement of true believers. There's no doubt that the woman had an influence in libertarian thought; however, the irony of it all was she loathed libertarianism.

Anthem was required reading for Sr English in my HS. I liked the story. Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged. If I "hear" Dagny Taggart whisper once more time...I'll punch her in the throat. Referencing the phrase peppered throughout the book hundreds upon hundreds of time..."Yes", she whispered

her prose sucked the wind out of many sails...

IMO, she's unreadable.....
(09-06-2017 06:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 10:19 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Objectivism is another movement that started out with the best of intentions that ultimately failed because the cult leader became increasingly erratic as she aged. Towards her end, her movement fractured because some of the group weren't "pure enough" for the movement of true believers. There's no doubt that the woman had an influence in libertarian thought; however, the irony of it all was she loathed libertarianism.

Anthem was required reading for Sr English in my HS. I liked the story. Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged. If I "hear" Dagny Taggart whisper once more time...I'll punch her in the throat. Referencing the phrase peppered throughout the book hundreds upon hundreds of time..."Yes", she whispered

her prose sucked the wind out of many sails...

IMO, she's unreadable.....

Her writing is pretty cartoonish, so a graphic novel isn't far fetched. The characters are caricatures of the best vs worst in humanity. Hell, look at the names she gives to the protagonist characters vs the antagonist characters. Are you rooting for "Maximus Armstrong" or "Larry Limpwrist"? And the stories themselves are grossly simplistic, i.e. would you rather find the city of gold or catch cancer and the clap?

She can make some great points, but so much of it is based on strawmen that it can be tedious to unpack the good from the trash.

LOL the part in bold.
(09-06-2017 07:25 AM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-06-2017 06:52 AM)stinkfist Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 10:19 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Objectivism is another movement that started out with the best of intentions that ultimately failed because the cult leader became increasingly erratic as she aged. Towards her end, her movement fractured because some of the group weren't "pure enough" for the movement of true believers. There's no doubt that the woman had an influence in libertarian thought; however, the irony of it all was she loathed libertarianism.

Anthem was required reading for Sr English in my HS. I liked the story. Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged. If I "hear" Dagny Taggart whisper once more time...I'll punch her in the throat. Referencing the phrase peppered throughout the book hundreds upon hundreds of time..."Yes", she whispered

her prose sucked the wind out of many sails...

IMO, she's unreadable.....

Her writing is pretty cartoonish, so a graphic novel isn't far fetched. The characters are caricatures of the best vs worst in humanity. Hell, look at the names she gives to the protagonist characters vs the antagonist characters. Are you rooting for "Maximus Armstrong" or "Larry Limpwrist"? And the stories themselves are grossly simplistic, i.e. would you rather find the city of gold or catch cancer and the clap?

She can make some great points, but so much of it is based on strawmen that it can be tedious to unpack the good from the trash.

LOL the part in bold.

you solved self depricating irony....well done! Lol!
(09-05-2017 10:19 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged.

I felt the same way about "Fountainhead".... UGH!!!!
(09-05-2017 10:19 PM)miko33 Wrote: [ -> ]Objectivism is another movement that started out with the best of intentions that ultimately failed because the cult leader became increasingly erratic as she aged. Towards her end, her movement fractured because some of the group weren't "pure enough" for the movement of true believers. There's no doubt that the woman had an influence in libertarian thought; however, the irony of it all was she loathed libertarianism.

Anthem was required reading for Sr English in my HS. I liked the story. Her writing sucks though - especially Atlas Shrugged. If I "hear" Dagny Taggart whisper once more time...I'll punch her in the throat. Referencing the phrase peppered throughout the book hundreds upon hundreds of time..."Yes", she whispered

My SR year of high school English was strictly Ayn Rand and Hemingway. We read Anthem, Atlas Shrugged, The Fountainhead in one semester. At 17 it was a little heavy, but it served me well through my college career.
(09-05-2017 08:38 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 08:37 PM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't expect a Trumper to be interested in individualism.

If that's what you think she was about...

I too am no fan of Ayn Rand and her beliefs. I would love to hear why you don't care for her since you and I clearly differ on many issues.
i would say she would consider herself more of a philosopher than an author. she may not be the best writer and a tad hokey, but i flew through her novels
I had to read some of her books in college.

And to think people consider colleges liberal.
(09-06-2017 09:54 AM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]i would say she would consider herself more of a philosopher than an author. she may not be the best writer and a tad hokey, but i flew through her novels

XACLY!

it was 'skip reading' at it's finest.....
(09-06-2017 09:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 08:38 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 08:37 PM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't expect a Trumper to be interested in individualism.

If that's what you think she was about...

I too am no fan of Ayn Rand and her beliefs. I would love to hear why you don't care for her since you and I clearly differ on many issues.

I don't accept the concept of her altruistic selfishness.

She may have been sincere but the vast majority use it as moral cover for why they get to ignore the poor.
(09-06-2017 09:54 AM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]i would say she would consider herself more of a philosopher than an author. she may not be the best writer and a tad hokey, but i flew through her novels

Flew through, as in you pick it up and are engrossed you can't stop reading, or .. flew through, as in "Get me the hell out of this book"?

It took me AGES to get through the books I had of hers.
(09-07-2017 07:54 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-06-2017 09:54 AM)Lush Wrote: [ -> ]i would say she would consider herself more of a philosopher than an author. she may not be the best writer and a tad hokey, but i flew through her novels

Flew through, as in you pick it up and are engrossed you can't stop reading, or .. flew through, as in "Get me the hell out of this book"?

It took me AGES to get through the books I had of hers.

i couldn't put atlas shrugged or fountainhead down. i slogged thru we the living
(09-06-2017 11:10 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-06-2017 09:49 AM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 08:38 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: [ -> ]
(09-05-2017 08:37 PM)Paul M Wrote: [ -> ]Wouldn't expect a Trumper to be interested in individualism.

If that's what you think she was about...

I too am no fan of Ayn Rand and her beliefs. I would love to hear why you don't care for her since you and I clearly differ on many issues.

I don't accept the concept of her altruistic selfishness.

She may have been sincere but the vast majority use it as moral cover for why they get to ignore the poor.

Wow this post just blew me away.

You're going to hate this but I agree with you 100%.
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