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http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-p...435251273/
http://www.startribune.com/bca-answers-q...435295743/


I have a feeling, based on how this is going and the current state of the investigation, that it's going to be a long time before we get much more clarity on the facts of the circumstance than what is known as of this morning.

There is a great picture in the print edition of the StarTrib that has a summary graphic ... and stupidly it does not show up in the online version. I will try to link to it below, but I doubt it's going to let the board pull it as the address is for the online viewer site. And I'm not going to print-screen or pdf print it and then throw it online, as that's probably a violation of my subscription.




Anyway, based on what is known and that graphic that I tried to link above, here is what I *THINK* happened (this is my wild guess only, these aren't facts):

- Patrol responds to report of possible assault, enters alley from the north without lights on
- As it reaches the end of the alley (on the south), there is a "loud noise" that startled the officers ... this according to an interview with the partner (not the shooter)
- Guessing that caused the officer to pull his firearm
- At the end of the alley (south side), the woman who had called in the report, approaches the patrol car to talk to the officers
- The startled officer simply reacts to the person coming towards the car and fires on instinct
- They immediately realize a mistake has been made and try to save her, calling in for medical help

- Since lights weren't activated, the dash cam wasn't activated, also the dash cam is facing south while the shooting occurred to the side of the car, so it wouldn't be much help anyway
- The body cams have a 30sec "look back", meaning the officers have 30sec to activate the cam in order to capture the event, and in their panic they simply forgot to do so


If correct, the horrible and tragic incident is quite a bit more "benign" in a sense than is being portrayed. There of course will still be investigation, second guessing, and a trial for the officer who fired.

Might be tough for him to get a fair trial in MN, after the Castille verdict. But on the other hand, his defense will fight to get as many Somalis on the jury as they can.

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(07-19-2017 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]http://www.startribune.com/minneapolis-p...435251273/
http://www.startribune.com/bca-answers-q...435295743/


I have a feeling, based on how this is going and the current state of the investigation, that it's going to be a long time before we get much more clarity on the facts of the circumstance than what is known as of this morning.

There is a great picture in the print edition of the StarTrib that has a summary graphic ... and stupidly it does not show up in the online version. I will try to link to it below, but I doubt it's going to let the board pull it as the address is for the online viewer site. And I'm not going to print-screen or pdf print it and then throw it online, as that's probably a violation of my subscription.




Anyway, based on what is known and that graphic that I tried to link above, here is what I *THINK* happened (this is my wild guess only, these aren't facts):

- Patrol responds to report of possible assault, enters alley from the north without lights on
- As it reaches the end of the alley (on the south), there is a "loud noise" that startled the officers ... this according to an interview with the partner (not the shooter)
- Guessing that caused the officer to pull his firearm
- At the end of the alley (south side), the woman who had called in the report, approaches the patrol car to talk to the officers
- The startled officer simply reacts to the person coming towards the car and fires on instinct
- They immediately realize a mistake has been made and try to save her, calling in for medical help

- Since lights weren't activated, the dash cam wasn't activated, also the dash cam is facing south while the shooting occurred to the side of the car, so it wouldn't be much help anyway
- The body cams have a 30sec "look back", meaning the officers have 30sec to activate the cam in order to capture the event, and in their panic they simply forgot to do so


If correct, the horrible and tragic incident is quite a bit more "benign" in a sense than is being portrayed. There of course will still be investigation, second guessing, and a trial for the officer who fired.

Might be tough for him to get a fair trial in MN, after the Castille verdict. But on the other hand, his defense will fight to get as many Somalis on the jury as they can.

O.J. Jury syndrome

I did. There isn't one that I found in the first three pages.

They'll blame the cop and leave him in the wind. The flawed policies that led to it will be fine. Nothing to see here.

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Tragic accident (by your account)... and shows the fear/anxiety/risk that cops face on our behalf every day. EVERYONE lost something here because of some stupid act (the assault)

Not cooperating is not a good sign....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...-dead.html

(07-19-2017 11:00 AM)Hambone10 Wrote: [ -> ]Tragic accident (by your account)... and shows the fear/anxiety/risk that cops face on our behalf every day. EVERYONE lost something here because of some stupid act (the assault)

toughest/lowest paying job in this country....one is simply playing in the ethereal if they don't understand that....

I wonder about trigger discipline in this case, but I wasn't there.

He's had 3 incidents prior to this one.

(07-19-2017 11:09 AM)Hood-rich Wrote: [ -> ]He's had 3 incidents prior to this one.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-...ation.html

(07-19-2017 11:08 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]I wonder about trigger discipline in this case, but I wasn't there.

that's why they'll be robots one day....

His partner most likely would like to kick his ass into eternity. He fired his weapon in his direction. What a dumb***.

(07-19-2017 11:24 AM)Fo Shizzle Wrote: [ -> ]His partner most likely would like to kick his ass into eternity. He fired his weapon in his direction. What a dumb***.

Hopefully the dead lady is more concerning to his partner.

The foreshadowing is uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg&t=2m19s

(07-19-2017 11:09 AM)Hood-rich Wrote: [ -> ]He's had 3 incidents prior to this one.

Not everyone has what it takes to be a policeman. This guy doesn't sound like he should be a policeman.

(07-19-2017 11:06 AM)usmbacker Wrote: [ -> ]Not cooperating is not a good sign....

I dispute the line in your pic claiming the partner was talking to the lady when the shot was fired. That is not at all what is being reported locally here in the StarTrib. They are reporting that the shot was fired as the lady was approaching the vehicle.

Not sure if that comes from the official interview with the partner or not.

(07-19-2017 11:44 AM)Attackcoog Wrote: [ -> ]Not everyone has what it takes to be a policeman. This guy doesn't sound like he should be a policeman.

Anyone can have a gun, and kill you in an instant. The training that police officers go through, on how to react to life-threatening situations, is pretty incredible.

Bull posted a really cool video where a Houston TV station had a local anti-gun activist go through the training. It was eye opening for me.

Yeah these incidents are tragic, and nothing can dismiss them, but it's also tragic when a PO "takes it easy" and then out of nowhere the person being confronted whips out a gun and shoots the officer dead.


So there's that.

Then there this: he was the first Somali police officer on the force, and Mpls has a (relatively) huge Somali community in the city. I don't know if "affirmative action" is a relevant term in this scenario, but just saying.

(07-19-2017 11:31 AM)Kronke Wrote: [ -> ]The foreshadowing is uncanny.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uWd6XgBVIcg&t=2m19s

"We love our Somalis, we love our Muslims. Oh they're so sweet."

(07-19-2017 10:07 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Might be tough for him to get a fair trial in MN, after the Castille verdict. But on the other hand, his defense will fight to get as many Somalis on the jury as they can.

QQs

1 - Why do you assume it will be difficult for him to get a fair trial in MPLS
2 - Why do you make it sound like more Somalis on the Jury will make it more fair?

(07-19-2017 10:26 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]I did. There isn't one that I found in the first three pages.

"Australian woman calls police, killed by police"... right on the first page of listings..


But to add to the story with more stuff.. only one of the officers is talking (understandable, as Noor has to talk with his legal advisors first)... and he said there was a loud noise just prior to the shooting (or at least the last article I read said this).

Again, I'm still confused as why two "relatively" young officers were put together, and _if_ the Daily Mail story is correct, why Noor was still a police officer.

Quote:Two are from 2017 and one from 2016 is closed and according to Lou Raguse of Kare 11 is marked 'not to be made public'.

The lawsuit stems from a police call on May 25, 2017, when Noor and two other officers took a woman to hospital and she claimed that they carried out false imprisonment, assault and battery.

According to the ongoing lawsuit, the woman claimed that Noor 'grabbed her right wrist and upper arm' when moving her, leaving her 'immobilised'.

Admittedly, it's a case of the word of the cop vs. 'possible criminal', but when you've got three charges against you, 2 in this year alone, so 2 in 6 months, it does make you wonder about the cop's ability to do the job.