(07-19-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]I wish I had a decent answer for such a great point.
I would have to first understand: what essentially are the set of benefits that one can expect for being a police officer? Given the inherent risks of the job and what are usually really crappy hours when you start out .... why would anyone want to be a cop?
hence, the answer.....
ranks right up there with being an educator w/o the violence....
both are a serious problem that are continually ignored.....yet criticized to the hilt by too many w/o a clue....
(07-19-2017 02:51 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]I wish I had a decent answer for such a great point.
I would have to first understand: what essentially are the set of benefits that one can expect for being a police officer? Given the inherent risks of the job and what are usually really crappy hours when you start out .... why would anyone want to be a cop?
(07-19-2017 02:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Claims Washington Post said something, doesn't post link to Washington Post.
Didn't click on the YouTube link and am not going to.
Do you not have Google?
Quote:When Mohamed Noor joined the Minneapolis police force and was assigned to patrol the city’s southwest corner, the Somali community there — the nation’s largest — threw a party for him to celebrate.
The report stoked fear among Somalis in the Twin Cities, who have worked for decades to become part of the city’s fabric. There are now Somalis on the police force, the city council and in the Minnesota House of Representatives. But the largely Muslim population of Somali Americans in the region still face Islamophobia and innuendo about terrorism.
“They fear this will be just another event used to create animosity toward the Somali community,” Mohamud Noor, executive director at the Confederation of Somali Community in Minnesota, told The Post.
He was the first Somali American officer to serve in Minneapolis’s fifth precinct and one of fewer than a dozen Somali American officers in the department. His presence on the squad brought Somali activists some pride and reassurance at a time of Islamophobia in America and nationwide racial tension stoked in part by shootings of black people by white police officers.
Already, hateful posts criticizing Islam and sharia law are filling social media in response to the police shooting. Several far-right blogs featured sensational headlines that blamed the officer’s ethnicity for the deadly use of force.
Other Somali officers in the police department are “nervous,” Jamal said.
Seems more information (currently unsubstantiated) is coming out of the woodwork. All hearsay from morning drive time radio and their sources.
This seems pretty cut and dry:
*Seems a firework had just gone off in the area
*Damond was running up to the drivers side door, shiny item (cell phone) in hand
*Noor, just startled by the firework, shot Damond.
*The other office (the driver) had a four hour interview about the situation with the investigating officers from the BCA
*Rumor is that while Noor is not interviewing with the investigating officers, he is speaking to leaders within the Somali community about the shooting.
Also seems there are serious questions about how Noor did not excel in his police training and was not recommended for the job, but got the job in order for the city to fill their diversity requirements. Noor claims that in his entire time in the department he has felt like an outsider and he was always treated a Somali, never an American.
(07-20-2017 07:27 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]Seems more information (currently unsubstantiated) is coming out of the woodwork. All hearsay from morning drive time radio and their sources.
This seems pretty cut and dry:
*Seems a firework had just gone off in the area
*Damond was running up to the drivers side door, shiny item (cell phone) in hand
*Noor, just startled by the firework, shot Damond.
*The other office (the driver) had a four hour interview about the situation with the investigating officers from the BCA
*Rumor is that while Noor is not interviewing with the investigating officers, he is speaking to leaders within the Somali community about the shooting.
Also seems there are serious questions about how Noor did not excel in his police training and was not recommended for the job, but got the job in order for the city to fill their diversity requirements. Noor claims that in his entire time in the department he has felt like an outsider and he was always treated a Somali, never an American.
Anywho, more to come I am sure.
I don't think much more details about the shooting incident itself will come, for a long time. However, I think we have the nuts and bolts of it fairly well guessed ... but they're not facts.
The additional details you supply above -- the "loud noise" was a firework, she was running up to the car, had a shiny object in her hand -- while I think these are absolutely plausible, and solid guesses, they are still just guesses at this time, and haven't been reported as facts.
I think from this point on, we won't get much more .... until after the trial. Similar to how the dash cam video in the Castille case didn't come out until after the trial.
Although I do think a lot of effort will be put into Noor and researching his past and his work while in the MPD. Maybe he shouldn't have been hired. Maybe they (the MPD) got pressure to add a Somali man to the force. That stuff might get leaked more as time goes on ...
Reader wrote into the StarTrib published today, is pretty close to how I feel about this:
Quote:This case sounds way too much like the Philando Castile case in Falcon Heights. A cop gets scared and kills an innocent person. The video of St. Anthony police officer Jeronimo Yanez made clear that he was scared witless and that, as a result, an innocent and beloved man and productive citizen was killed.
The Minneapolis police were called to the house because Justine Damond had heard loud noises. They should have been expecting noises. Clearly, officer Mohamed Noor was frightened/startled by the noise and responded by killing an innocent and beloved woman and a productive citizen.
I am willing to posit that neither officer is evil and that they both regret the result of their action. Is there no way to screen prospective police officers for this fear factor? If not, maybe police should not carry guns, because clearly it is not safe. The outcry about the body camera seems to me to be a red herring. If Noor had had his body camera on, Damond would still be dead. Our first concern should be to save innocent lives. That, it seems to me, demands careful vetting of prospective police officers and intensive training, including how to calm themselves in the face of possible danger. Then maybe we’d have to worry less about whether the camera was on after an innocent citizen has been shot.
Though I would like to see body cams upgraded so that they are automatically activated if the firearm is removed from holster.
(07-20-2017 07:27 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote: [ -> ]Seems more information (currently unsubstantiated) is coming out of the woodwork. All hearsay from morning drive time radio and their sources.
This seems pretty cut and dry:
*Seems a firework had just gone off in the area
*Damond was running up to the drivers side door, shiny item (cell phone) in hand
*Noor, just startled by the firework, shot Damond.
*The other office (the driver) had a four hour interview about the situation with the investigating officers from the BCA
*Rumor is that while Noor is not interviewing with the investigating officers, he is speaking to leaders within the Somali community about the shooting.
Also seems there are serious questions about how Noor did not excel in his police training and was not recommended for the job, but got the job in order for the city to fill their diversity requirements. Noor claims that in his entire time in the department he has felt like an outsider and he was always treated a Somali, never an American.
Anywho, more to come I am sure.
Damn, that's good for the investigation, but a really dumb move on Noor's part.
(07-20-2017 10:29 AM)ArmyBlazer Wrote: [ -> ]Damn, that's good for the investigation, but a really dumb move on Noor's part.
There are very real cultural issues at play here that only reinforce the idea that you can take the Somali out of tribe but you can't take the tribe out of the Somali.
What LS is saying is unfortunately true, for the time being. The Somali community refuses measles vaccines, because of cultural fears, as another example.
They need a couple more generations of assimilation.
(07-20-2017 10:48 AM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ]So just to catch up Mpls, is anyone camped outside of Noor's police precinct? have any highways or roads been blocked?
Cryptic posts are cryptic. Just say what you mean to say
(07-20-2017 10:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]What LS is saying is unfortunately true, for the time being. The Somali community refuses measles vaccines, because of cultural fears, as another example.
They need a couple more generations of assimilation.
(07-20-2017 11:01 AM)Hood-rich Wrote: [ -> ]The Irish are a western society.
They're European, you know the place you hate
No, American people of Irish heritage are American citizens. They are not European.
These people and their off spring are American citizens. And yea we are awesome.
(07-20-2017 10:44 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]What LS is saying is unfortunately true, for the time being. The Somali community refuses measles vaccines, because of cultural fears, as another example.
They need a couple more generations of assimilation.
Wow. A couple more generations, huh? How many more people are going to have to die in the mean time? And for what, exactly? What does America get out of this deal?