Doubt it happens, but if it does, this trade would have to move quickly, because Boston's motivation is to clear contracts to sign Hayward. Boston already renounced their QO on Kelly Olynyk, but that doesn't create enough space.
"That probably depends on who is available. The trade market for stars has momentarily dried up. One player worth keeping an eye on, two league executives told The Vertical: Memphis’ Marc Gasol. The Grizzlies lost Zach Randolph, Tony Allen could be next out the door, and if you were filling out your Western Conference playoff bracket today, Memphis probably wouldn’t be in it. Would the Grizz move the 32-year-old Gasol for a ready-made rebuilding package of players and picks? Would Boston – which has to be wary of putting together a team that would beat Cleveland but still get pulverized by Golden State – be interested? Again, worth watching." https://sports.yahoo.com/gordon-hayward-...33448.html
IMO, not that crazy about what the Celtics would have to offer. Unless it's Jaylen Brown, who could be slightly more available now with the Hayward signing. And future draft picks, of course, including our own '19 pick which Boston owns. Memphis and Boston trade a lot, so not surprising that there are rumors.
Also seems like Grizz FO would want this decided before the Grizz make a decision on JMike.
Last, I just don't think Fizz likes Marc that much. Fizz wants Marc to take a vocal leadership role, Marc has resisted.
Eh. I love Marc and hope he retires a Grizzly. OTOH I'm all for moving Marc if its the right deal (we're going to have to rebuild at some point, and Marc is the best bargaining chip we got. It's reasonable to look at trading him for value and be bad now rather than be mediocre for a few years and then bad when he moves on and be empty handed) . But the Celtics aren't going to offer the right deal.
Also, you don't move the best player to ever wear the Grizzlies uniform (ZBo may be "The Greatest Grizzly," but Gasol is a better player than ZBo was in his prime) just because a guy that was an assistant a year and half ago thinks he should take a bigger leadership role.
We don't have our first rounder in 2019. It's not the time to blow it up.
(07-05-2017 11:15 AM)jgardne Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have our first rounder in 2019. It's not the time to blow it up.
Boston has our '19 first rounder, so it would probably be sent back in any trade with Boston.
(07-05-2017 11:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]Eh. I love Marc and hope he retires a Grizzly. OTOH I'm all for moving Marc if its the right deal (we're going to have to rebuild at some point, and Marc is the best bargaining chip we got. It's reasonable to look at trading him for value and be bad now rather than be mediocre for a few years and then bad when he moves on and be empty handed) . But the Celtics aren't going to offer the right deal.
Also, you don't move the best player to ever wear the Grizzlies uniform (ZBo may be "The Greatest Grizzly," but Gasol is a better player than ZBo was in his prime) just because a guy that was an assistant a year and half ago thinks he should take a bigger leadership role.
Wow, what a strange shot to take at Fizz - "an assistant a year and half ago"? What does that even mean?
1 and 1/2 years ago, Markelle Fultz was a high school senior in Maryland. Today, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft and an instant multi-millionaire. Things change fast in the NBA.
Fizz is going to be the coach here a long time. Fizz wants to create a Miami Heat culture. Marc will either adapt, or he will move on.
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I’m skeptical that the Grizz would trade Marc, but: I’ve heard from numerous places that the Marc-Fizz relationship isn’t great.
(07-05-2017 11:15 AM)jgardne Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have our first rounder in 2019. It's not the time to blow it up.
It just got blown up when Zbo signed with the Kings.
We've been grasping for years to maintain our position in the West (essentially top 5-7 in the West). I think our time is coming to an end. Our success is now contingent on Parsons coming back and contributing in a huge way. I just don't see that happening.
I'd be okay with trading Gasol while he still has significant trade value. We'd need to get good value in return. Boston has plenty of assets available (through picks and young talent), but they're pretty good at getting the best of the trades they make.
The Grizz are on the decline. We can keep grasping for that 7-8 seed (which may be a stretch), or just cut the cord and start building for the future now. I'd rather start rebuilding now than tread water (40 wins/season) for the next couple years. At some point, some sort of rebuild will need to occur.
(07-05-2017 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]Eh. I love Marc and hope he retires a Grizzly. OTOH I'm all for moving Marc if its the right deal (we're going to have to rebuild at some point, and Marc is the best bargaining chip we got. It's reasonable to look at trading him for value and be bad now rather than be mediocre for a few years and then bad when he moves on and be empty handed) . But the Celtics aren't going to offer the right deal.
Also, you don't move the best player to ever wear the Grizzlies uniform (ZBo may be "The Greatest Grizzly," but Gasol is a better player than ZBo was in his prime) just because a guy that was an assistant a year and half ago thinks he should take a bigger leadership role.
Wow, what a strange shot to take at Fizz - "an assistant a year and half ago"? What does that even mean?
1 and 1/2 years ago, Markelle Fultz was a high school senior in Maryland. Today, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft and an instant multi-millionaire. Things change fast in the NBA.
Fizz is going to be the coach here a long time. Fizz wants to create a Miami Heat culture. Marc will either adapt, or he will move on.
I've read when an NBA coach has a problem with his best player the problem tends to be solved by release of the coach.
(07-05-2017 01:31 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]Eh. I love Marc and hope he retires a Grizzly. OTOH I'm all for moving Marc if its the right deal (we're going to have to rebuild at some point, and Marc is the best bargaining chip we got. It's reasonable to look at trading him for value and be bad now rather than be mediocre for a few years and then bad when he moves on and be empty handed) . But the Celtics aren't going to offer the right deal.
Also, you don't move the best player to ever wear the Grizzlies uniform (ZBo may be "The Greatest Grizzly," but Gasol is a better player than ZBo was in his prime) just because a guy that was an assistant a year and half ago thinks he should take a bigger leadership role.
Wow, what a strange shot to take at Fizz - "an assistant a year and half ago"? What does that even mean?
1 and 1/2 years ago, Markelle Fultz was a high school senior in Maryland. Today, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft and an instant multi-millionaire. Things change fast in the NBA.
Fizz is going to be the coach here a long time. Fizz wants to create a Miami Heat culture. Marc will either adapt, or he will move on.
I've read when an NBA coach has a problem with his best player the problem tends to be solved by release of the coach.
typically said player is usually a superstar
Marc is not that
(07-05-2017 01:31 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:23 AM)Tigx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:13 AM)Briskbas Wrote: [ -> ]Eh. I love Marc and hope he retires a Grizzly. OTOH I'm all for moving Marc if its the right deal (we're going to have to rebuild at some point, and Marc is the best bargaining chip we got. It's reasonable to look at trading him for value and be bad now rather than be mediocre for a few years and then bad when he moves on and be empty handed) . But the Celtics aren't going to offer the right deal.
Also, you don't move the best player to ever wear the Grizzlies uniform (ZBo may be "The Greatest Grizzly," but Gasol is a better player than ZBo was in his prime) just because a guy that was an assistant a year and half ago thinks he should take a bigger leadership role.
Wow, what a strange shot to take at Fizz - "an assistant a year and half ago"? What does that even mean?
1 and 1/2 years ago, Markelle Fultz was a high school senior in Maryland. Today, he's the #1 pick in the NBA draft and an instant multi-millionaire. Things change fast in the NBA.
Fizz is going to be the coach here a long time. Fizz wants to create a Miami Heat culture. Marc will either adapt, or he will move on.
I've read when an NBA coach has a problem with his best player the problem tends to be solved by release of the coach.
I would say talk to Boogie Cousins. Or Dwayne Wade.
Probably talking 10% chance this trade gets done, but if I had to choose who has more power right now in the Grizz hierarchy, I'd pick Fizz over Marc.
Unless it included atlesst 2 first round picks and Jaylon Brown and maybe another player it isn't worth it
Avery Bradley, Jaylen Brown and our pick back would be enough
Just have to make the money work somehow. Maybe with a third team
I would imagine the Celts would want to move Horford in the deal. He's 31 and is a lot like Marc. He is also owed $86.8M over the next 3 years...
A) I'd take Horford if we are aiming to remain competitive
B) If we are looking to "re-tool" and go younger then we'd need a 3rd team to get involved ...because I can't see the Cs keeping Horford and Marc with those contracts
Here's what I do know...
I want 3 of the following:
Al Horford
Marcus Smart
Avery Bradley
Jae Crowder
Jaylen Brown
2018 BKN 1st Round Pick
2018 Lakers 1st Round Pick
(07-05-2017 01:44 PM)T.I.G.E.R.S Wrote: [ -> ]Unless it included atlesst 2 first round picks and Jaylon Brown and maybe another player it isn't worth it
Just hard to see a trade that works. Avery Bradley would be my first choice, but has only 1 year left at $9M. Jae Crowder is the best contract, 3 years left at $6.8M, $7.3M and $7.8M - great contract, turns 27 tomorrow. Marcus Smart has little interest to me, one year left on his rookie deal at $4.5M, shot 25% and 28% from 3 the last 2 years; so another shooting guard that can't shoot.
Celts drafted Jaylen Brown and now Jayson Tatum, and now signed another SF, Hayward. So now have Hayward, Crowder, Brown & Tatum at SF, so logic would say the Celts should move one.
(07-05-2017 02:05 PM)Tigx Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 01:44 PM)T.I.G.E.R.S Wrote: [ -> ]Unless it included atlesst 2 first round picks and Jaylon Brown and maybe another player it isn't worth it
Just hard to see a trade that works. Avery Bradley would be my first choice, but has only 1 year left at $9M. Jae Crowder is the best contract, 3 years left at $6.8M, $7.3M and $7.8M - great contract, turns 27 tomorrow. Marcus Smart has little interest to me, one year left on his rookie deal at $4.5M, shot 25% and 28% from 3 the last 2 years; so another shooting guard that can't shoot.
Celts drafted Jaylen Brown and now Jayson Tatum, and now signed another SF, Hayward. So now have Hayward, Crowder, Brown & Tatum at SF, so logic would say the Celts should move one.
Marcus Smart reminds me of a young TA, but more capable of running the 1... I wouldn't want him being the main piece in the trade, but as an extra - think he has value.
If we are really trying to rebuild, I would trade Marc for Jaylen Brown and BKN 1st Round Pick in 2018.
That being said, they didn't pull the trigger on similar deals for Butler and George. Maybe because they liked their chances at Heyward. And PG was a rental. Marc is different. He's a big and he'd be locked in for multiple years.
(07-05-2017 02:15 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If we are really trying to rebuild, I would trade Marc for Jaylen Brown and BKN 1st Round Pick in 2018.
That being said, they didn't pull the trigger on similar deals for Butler and George. Maybe because they liked their chances at Heyward. And PG was a rental. Marc is different. He's a big and he'd be locked in for multiple years.
I'd probably be good with this. Would love to get our 2019 pick back, too.
(07-05-2017 02:19 PM)ksigtigerdood Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 02:15 PM)HometownTiger Wrote: [ -> ]If we are really trying to rebuild, I would trade Marc for Jaylen Brown and BKN 1st Round Pick in 2018.
That being said, they didn't pull the trigger on similar deals for Butler and George. Maybe because they liked their chances at Heyward. And PG was a rental. Marc is different. He's a big and he'd be locked in for multiple years.
I'd probably be good with this. Would love to get our 2019 pick back, too.
Heck if they'll part with BKN's 2018 1st Rounder they can have our 2019. We get Jaylen Brown and Michael Porter or....Mo Bamba...DeAndre Ayton...Luka Doncic
That's a start.
(07-05-2017 12:40 PM)Tiger57 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:15 AM)jgardne Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have our first rounder in 2019. It's not the time to blow it up.
It just got blown up when Zbo signed with the Kings.
(07-05-2017 12:40 PM)Tiger57 Wrote: [ -> ] (07-05-2017 11:15 AM)jgardne Wrote: [ -> ]We don't have our first rounder in 2019. It's not the time to blow it up.
It just got blown up when Zbo signed with the Kings.
ZBo is the GGOAT, but he was hardly central to any plan for continued success going forward. He's still a good player. But he's also an aging bench player that want's starters minutes going into what's probably his final big contract able to command way more money than we should be willing to pay for him.
Moving Gasol is the blow it up move because his contract (as opposed to Conleys') is cheap and he's one of the top 5 centers in a league without many elite centers.