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But you'll still pay for internet, and still pay for wireless (cell phone), right??

So they've still got you.


Would you rather pay $150/mo for internet + cell phone, or $180/mo for internet + cell phone + 30 channels including ESPN and FS1? What happens when NBC decides to stop carrying Notre Dame home football, and they instead sign with CBS Sports Net (cable channel)?

(08-17-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]But you'll still pay for internet, and still pay for wireless (cell phone), right??

So they've still got you.


Would you rather pay $150/mo for internet + cell phone, or $180/mo for internet + cell phone + 30 channels including ESPN and FS1? What happens when NBC decides to stop carrying Notre Dame home football, and they instead sign with CBS Sports Net (cable channel)?

I'd take that $30 and just go to the sports bar. Then I get sports+wings+not_directly_supporting_a_monopolistic_industry+beer

Well, for what it's worth, I'm thinking like four nationwide companies: AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Charter. Not exactly a monopoly ...

(08-17-2017 08:19 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Here's the two big problems with why those numbers are a mirage:

1) all the people who have dropped their cable/sat bundle for some combination of [OTA, HBO Now, Netflix, (any other legal streaming app that doesn't require a cable/sat account)] simply don't understand that streaming bundles exist, and how much they cost. Once they do, and in combination with the next point, the total number of people who subscribe to a bundle is going to be grow, regardless what kinds of viewing devices they own and regardless how that content makes it to those devices!

2) the giga-companies are coming. That means that all the major content creators (HBO included) are going to be aligned with major cable/sat/ISP/wireless companies! We already have (close to) one, Comcast NBC. They're just missing wireless, but working furiously to develop that. Another is trying to form, AT&T (DirecTV) is trying to acquire Time Warner Inc (HBO, among others). What's to stop AT&T from turning off HBO Now and forcing people to either log in with a cable/sat/streaming bundle account (HBO Go) or otherwise sign up for DirecTV Now??? Nothing.

The only significant "independent" at the moment, in the above sense, is Netflix. But they aren't profitable. That can't last forever. And what happens with the giga-companies start refusing to give Netflix content??? That's already starting to happen ......



In other words solo .... you guys may have won the battle the last 5+ years ..... but they're forming up to fight back. The war is far, far, far from over ...

War???

What are you talking about??

I just try to help interested people save money. 9 times out of 10 they can do so my finding legal alternative OTT and OTA measures. If it can be done with a cable bundle more power to ya

(08-17-2017 09:55 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, if the cable and satellite companies are successful in regaining a largely monopoly position, I will just go with an antenna and call it a day. I lived the first 22 years of my life just fine before cable TV came along.

I am not addicted to sports on TV, or TV in general. I will read more books or spend time doing something outside.

There is no law that says that I have to watch sports on TV and pay these bastards.

(08-17-2017 11:24 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Well, for what it's worth, I'm thinking like four nationwide companies: AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, Charter. Not exactly a monopoly ...

But definitely an oligopoly ... just as the local landline cable plus the local landline telecom providing IPTV plus two or three satellite options doesn't add up to a pure monopoly either, but is a substantial amount of monopoly power, and is closer to monopoly than to competition.

It is, indeed, the lure of higher margins over operating costs due to that monopoly power which is the driving force for those efforts at industry consolidation.

However, its not guaranteed that the efforts will be successful: sometimes those kinds of strategies work out, and sometimes they fall short.

(08-17-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]But you'll still pay for internet, and still pay for wireless (cell phone), right??

So they've still got you.


Would you rather pay $150/mo for internet + cell phone, or $180/mo for internet + cell phone + 30 channels including ESPN and FS1? What happens when NBC decides to stop carrying Notre Dame home football, and they instead sign with CBS Sports Net (cable channel)?

Irrelevant and red herrings. You seem desperate.

(08-17-2017 12:07 PM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2017 10:01 AM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]But you'll still pay for internet, and still pay for wireless (cell phone), right??

So they've still got you.


Would you rather pay $150/mo for internet + cell phone, or $180/mo for internet + cell phone + 30 channels including ESPN and FS1? What happens when NBC decides to stop carrying Notre Dame home football, and they instead sign with CBS Sports Net (cable channel)?

Irrelevant and red herrings. You seem desperate.

The war is not over yet Terry

I've learned a lot this week. First, I learn that those who want to pay for streaming content instead of cable are followers of a "fake religion", then it was been brought to my attention that the competition between the two is now, in fact, a "war".

Boy, I hope I have made the right decision as a consumer. It seems that not only is my physical body at stake, but also my eternal soul as well.

(08-17-2017 12:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]I've learned a lot this week. First, I learn that those who want to pay for streaming content instead of cable are followers of a "fake religion", then it was been brought to my attention that the competition between the two is now, in fact, a "war".

Boy, I hope I have made the right decision as a consumer. It seems that not only is my physical body at stake, but also my eternal soul as well.

cant stop laughing

(08-17-2017 01:07 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]

(08-17-2017 12:48 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote: [ -> ]I've learned a lot this week. First, I learn that those who want to pay for streaming content instead of cable are followers of a "fake religion", then it was been brought to my attention that the competition between the two is now, in fact, a "war".

Boy, I hope I have made the right decision as a consumer. It seems that not only is my physical body at stake, but also my eternal soul as well.

cant stop laughing

Me either....this is legendary. Fake religion. War. Notre Dame signing with CBS-SN.... this is entertaining.

Here is a juicy gem. I heard from my Mom who is going to downgrade her Dish package because she is watching less of the channels and watching more Netflix. Well lo and behold Dish is trying appease the cord cutters by saying they have Netflix now integrated. I received a flyer in the mail today stating they have Netflix integrated in the packages.
I don't think they are getting the point of why the people are cutting the cord. I doubt this helps at all.

If they included a Netflix subscription as part of their bundles that would be a good start

Just saw the news article in the 21August edition of Cablefax Daily. This sounds like good news & provides a lot more viewing options.

Better Together: Is Sinclair-Led Sports Venture Greater Than Sum of its Parts?
Round-the-clock cable sports networks like ESPN and FS1 will soon have competition on over-the-air television in the form of a new joint venture spearheaded by Sinclair Broadcasting. Stadium, which launches Monday as a 24/7 digital offering before making its over-the-air debut Sept 6, combines the reach of the Sinclair-owned channel formerly known as American Sports Network with more than 3,000 live events from Campus Insiders and a studio programming foundation from 120 Sports. Once it’s up and running, the channel will be available to sports fans for free on TV in 59 markets via digital subchannels (a number that could increase dramatically if Sinclair’s merger with Tribune goes through); online via Twitter and a standalone website; and through apps on virtually every device imaginable. CEO Jason Coyle said a number of cable operators will also offer Stadium via retransmission deals, and virtual MVPDs will pay to carry the channel. Specifics on cable carriage are currently unavailable. Coyle acknowledged the unorthodox distribution method will require Stadium to engage in consumer education, particularly for linear viewing. Still, he believes the hodgepodge model give Stadium the potential to achieve “the broadest reach of any linear network in the US.” In addition, it offers homes reliant on over-the-air signals for TV service—a number Nielsen pegs at about 15 million—something they previously didn’t have access to. In terms of live events, Stadium will offer exclusively college sports from mid-major conferences at launch, including the American Athletic Conference, Atlantic 10, Mountain West, West Coast Conference and Conference USA. Coyle said the net is in talks to add live professional sports rights from leagues outside the “big four.” Studio programming will include a daily NFL-focused show called “Inside the League,” a college sports program called “Campus Insiders” and flagship highlights program “The Rally,” which already has a following from 120 Sports’ past Twitter streaming deal. 120 Sports—whose stakeholders include MLBAM, the NHL and PGA Tour—will also allow Stadium to offer viewers in-game highlights and live look-ins as part of its studio programming. Once it’s up and running, Coyle is confident Stadium will compare favorably to its rivals on cable. “We’re going to have a combination of live games, daily live studio offerings, classic games, original programming,” Coyle said. “We’ll have consistent graphics across the entire programming schedule, so the linear presentation is going to look very familiar to sports fans. When you watch it on television, it’s going to look like it belongs on television. When you watch it on your iPhone for free, people will be blown away about a sports network that looks, feels and has rights competitive with anything on cable.” In addition to an eight-member team of national studio talent based in Chicago, the network will leverage Sinclair’s 60-70 sports desks across the country, Campus Insiders’ network of more than 100 on-campus reporters, many of whom are embedded with their respective athletic departments, and additional remote correspondents. Coyle plans to use these resources to differentiate Stadium from ESPN and FS1. “When you look at the national landscape of sports, you see a lot of people going to generalists and opinionists,” he said. “We think there’s still a great place for information and news and analysis by combining a set of national voices with in-market experts.” Whether Stadium catches on with sports fans remains to be seen, but it’s clear the three entities that make up the network stand a much better chance together than apart.

(08-17-2017 09:55 AM)TerryD Wrote: [ -> ]Personally, if the cable and satellite companies are successful in regaining a largely monopoly position, I will just go with an antenna and call it a day. I lived the first 22 years of my life just fine before cable TV came along.

I am not addicted to sports on TV, or TV in general. I will read more books or spend time doing something outside.

There is no law that says that I have to watch sports on TV and pay these bastards.

Much easier for a Notre Dame fan to say. You know right now that you can see seven games with an antenna, two games only available if you pay someone, and three games TBD.

If I want to watch my alma mater play, I have to pay someone for that privilege for the six games set so far, and have zero reason to believe that won't be the case in the remaining six.