Would either of those pairs be attractive enough to the Big Ten to add? Would the fallout afterwards be favorable to the Big Ten?
I'd think that possible results would be:
1. Texas rebuilds the Big 12
2. Texas and Texas Tech to the SEC
3. Texas, Texas Tech, and possibly a couple others to the Pac 12.
It doesn't matter if Missouri is attractive to the BiG. Mizzou won't leave the SEC.
Texas wont consider the SEC
(06-13-2017 06:04 PM)lew240z Wrote: [ -> ]It doesn't matter if Missouri is attractive to the BiG. Mizzou won't leave the SEC.
Are you sure? The administration and faculty would prefer associating with Midwestwrn AAUs.
I'm not sure the B1G completely abandons the AAU rule, and thus that they would accept OU -- even given the crown jewel they are. NU was in the AAU when they went to the B1G, even though they knew NU were losing their status. They got in on a technicality.
OU is nowhere near AAU status, but UT and KU are. B1G could let OU go to the SEC, then wait out the damaged Big12 and the LHN, add UT and Kansas down the road. I don't see texas going to the ACC or the SEC, and unlikely PAC without OU.
(06-13-2017 06:09 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]Texas wont consider the SEC
You're going to be surprised.
All of the top programs consider the impact upon their branding before they do anything. For their alumni and fans that branding coincides with their business model and for football that is wrapped up in scheduling. Texas is the top grossing athletic department in the nation. If they have to abandon the Big 12, and that remains to be seen, they only have two options that protect their brand, the PAC and the SEC. Why? Texas's model is predicated upon playing in state rivals and neighbors with a big P5 game tossed in every season. The only way they keep that format is by moving with 5 others to the PAC or by moving with 3 others to the SEC. Geographically friendly schedules are essential to Texas. If Kansas, Kansas State, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech and Texas headed to the PAC then their division becomes the equivalent of their old conference home and the games with traditional PAC schools become their equivalent of the OOC P5 home games. Their OOC games then go to Rice, T.C.U. or whichever local schools they wanted to play. So a move to the PAC doesn't radically alter their business model, or their brand.
The same can be said of the SEC. If Texas Texas Tech/or Kansas, Oklahoma and Oklahoma State head to the SEC they would be in a division that reunited them with Arkansas and Missouri: Arkansas, Kansas/TTech, Missouri, Oklahoma, Oklahoma State, Texas. Texas would play A&M as a permanent cross divisional rival. Again they would have essentially the same core schedule, the extra SEC games suffice for the OOC P5 they once scheduled and they have 3 games with which to schedule OOC games with T.C.U., Rice, and possibly Tech. Again their business model and branding aren't affected and ESPN makes sure they get bought out on the LHN. So that isn't a loss.
Texas has been in contact with the SEC since '91. Their boosters are warming to the idea of the SEC already. Again their new division would serve in place of their old conference and their fans and alums would be traveling much less than any other destination.
Where Texas can't go without jeopardizing their business model and brand are the Big 10 and ACC.
Their academics have never been an issue like some like to make it out to be. For most of their years they were content in the SWC which was anything but an academic conference. They upgraded significantly with the Big8 merger, but didn't blink an eye when 4 AAU schools left. And they land enough Federal Grant money that they don't need an academic affiliation that shares grants. They like Oklahoma will do what is best for the Athletic Department when making an athletic move. The rest is just so much chutzpah.
The question of the OP is legitimate. And no, I don't think the Big 10 finds enough value in Kansas (a market they already own) and in Oklahoma without getting Texas. Kansas is a bridge to Oklahoma. Oklahoma is the hoped for link to Texas. But Texas isn't abandoning their comfort zone and business model. End of story.
(06-13-2017 06:09 PM)Stugray2 Wrote: [ -> ]Texas wont consider the SEC
So they go with option 1 or 3 then.
I'm not sure that Texas would be opposed to an SEC West that included:
Texas, Texas A&M, Texas Tech, Arkansas, LSU, Ole Miss, Miss St, Missouri
I like that a lot better than what they'd end up with in the Pac 16 East.
(06-13-2017 06:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure the B1G completely abandons the AAU rule, and thus that they would accept OU -- even given the crown jewel they are. NU was in the AAU when they went to the B1G, even though they knew NU were losing their status. They got in on a technicality.
OU is nowhere near AAU status, but UT and KU are. B1G could let OU go to the SEC, then wait out the damaged Big12 and the LHN, add UT and Kansas down the road. I don't see texas going to the ACC or the SEC, and unlikely PAC without OU.
Look at it this way though:
Can the Big Ten afford to allow both of the college football blue bloods from the Big 12 to end up together in the SEC or Pac 12?
Texas and Oklahoma to the Big Ten is highly improbable. There is no way Texas is willing to be the only school in the state. Oklahoma is also frustrated with Texas right now and would consider moving without them. The Pac 12 isn't interested in an Oklahoma/Oklahoma St combo so the Big Ten could be their best bet to get out but they'd need to go with an AAU school.
I think it would be wise to at least get one elite program.
I would say Oklahoma/Missouri, but only because that move hurts/impacts the SEC. I don't think it is likely.
(06-13-2017 06:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure the B1G completely abandons the AAU rule, and thus that they would accept OU -- even given the crown jewel they are. NU was in the AAU when they went to the B1G, even though they knew NU were losing their status. They got in on a technicality.
OU is nowhere near AAU status, but UT and KU are. B1G could let OU go to the SEC, then wait out the damaged Big12 and the LHN, add UT and Kansas down the road. I don't see texas going to the ACC or the SEC, and unlikely PAC without OU.
If they let in Nebraska which they knew was losing AAU they would accept OU. It's all about power and money and adding OU gives them both.
To the OP Mizzou is in one of the two big boy leagues they aren't leaving.
OU and KU to the B1G is realistic. OU, UT, Tech and OSU to the Pac is realistic as well. OU and TCU/WVU to the SEC is possible as well.
(06-13-2017 08:05 PM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (06-13-2017 06:19 PM)ColKurtz Wrote: [ -> ]I'm not sure the B1G completely abandons the AAU rule, and thus that they would accept OU -- even given the crown jewel they are. NU was in the AAU when they went to the B1G, even though they knew NU were losing their status. They got in on a technicality.
OU is nowhere near AAU status, but UT and KU are. B1G could let OU go to the SEC, then wait out the damaged Big12 and the LHN, add UT and Kansas down the road. I don't see texas going to the ACC or the SEC, and unlikely PAC without OU.
If they let in Nebraska which they knew was losing AAU they would accept OU. It's all about power and money and adding OU gives them both.
To the OP Mizzou is in one of the two big boy leagues they aren't leaving.
OU and KU to the B1G is realistic. OU, UT, Tech and OSU to the Pac is realistic as well. OU and TCU/WVU to the SEC is possible as well.
Would you consider OU and KU to the SEC have any weight?
I'll do you one better: Oklahoma and Kansas to the SEC.
Gives the SEC KU vs Mizzou, and gives them an OU athletics program that fits in the SEC like a square peg in a square hole. Big time football program, big time softball program, basketball can be very competitive, and could start rivalries with Arkansas and LSU, in addition to again playing KU and Mizzou from the Big 8/12 and TA&M from the Big 12.
That's what I'd like to see.
Missouri new president is an Iowa grad and new basketball coach is a Purdue grad so maybe they might think about the big 10 if Kansas also joined. Yet, got to think the big 10 would prefer ou and ku if they only jumped to 16.
Kansas - Conn
Missouri is not taking paycut
SEC not taking a paycut
Tex is not taking a paycut
(06-14-2017 12:21 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]Kansas - Conn
Missouri is not taking paycut
SEC not taking a paycut
Tex is not taking a paycut
The Big Ten has no interest in at duo. They want big time programs that add value. Those two would only improve basketball.
(06-14-2017 12:21 AM)templefootballfan Wrote: [ -> ]Kansas - Conn
Missouri is not taking paycut
SEC not taking a paycut
Tex is not taking a paycut
All those folks won't take a paycut but the B1G will? Just to add two of the worst football programs in the FBS?
(06-13-2017 08:33 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]I'll do you one better: Oklahoma and Kansas to the SEC.
Gives the SEC KU vs Mizzou, and gives them an OU athletics program that fits in the SEC like a square peg in a square hole. Big time football program, big time softball program, basketball can be very competitive, and could start rivalries with Arkansas and LSU, in addition to again playing KU and Mizzou from the Big 8/12 and TA&M from the Big 12.
That's what I'd like to see.
That would be very good for the SEC. For Oklahoma, I'm not so sure. That combination would leave OU with only 1 game a year to schedule on their own, leaving them with fewer than 7 home games half the time. I believe if they go somewhere without Texas, than OK State has to come with them (or vice versa). They can't both be OOC games.
Any combo involving Oklahoma should be attractive to the B1G. Oklahoma is one of a small handful of schools that can add to the bottom line of every school in the conference. Having Oklahoma-Nebraska rivalry in-house would be a coup for the B1G. It would give the Michigan-Ohio State rivalry a run for the money.
I wonder if this shift in the balance of power to the Midwest might give some eastern schools second thoughts?
(06-13-2017 06:15 PM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote: [ -> ]Try Kansas & Missouri
Texas + Oklahoma
Texas + Kansas/Mizzou
Oklahoma + Kansas/Mizzou
Notice Texas and/or Oklahoma involved in all scenarios here. The B1G won't be expanding with Kansas + Mizzou.