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I thought that only happened at Memphis. Same as Memphis is the only place in the entire country that has a corrupt AAU scene.

What happens if the five-star half of the package deal changes his mind?

Yeah I hate that we slipped into irrelevance after the Lawsons had put us in title contention. Myron doesn't really keep up, does he?

(05-19-2017 09:22 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]Yeah I hate that we slipped into irrelevance after the Lawsons had put us in title contention. Myron doesn't really keep up, does he?

That seemed to be the inference, for sure. I must have missed the strong program we had with the Lawsons here - especially with daddy Lawson providing coaching prowess.

Was Saul part of the package deal?

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

Almost all of them except Kirk.

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

(05-20-2017 02:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

You ignored the brewing storm while pastner ruined the program. Where were all the questions then? All you did was praise him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-758838.html

You are aware that this staff is recruiting higher level players for next year and beyond aren't you? It's not as bleak as some are making it seem, especially the local media with their agenda since CTS isn't talking to them and not letting players do interviews. I'm beginning to wonder if Roger Stone is in Memphis shaping the narrative, getting out the message that they want you to buy.

(05-20-2017 03:45 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 02:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

You ignored the brewing storm while pastner ruined the program. Where were all the questions then? All you did was praise him.

http://csnbbs.com/thread-758838.html

I learn from my mistakes. Do you?

I discovered I can be a realist and still support the program.

And, realistically, there are a host of valid reasons that next season could be the worse in at least 19 years.

That's good. I make it my goal to learn from my mistakes.

You were fine with josh staying here forever, yet you can't stop your own negativity to give an experienced coach a chance before his 2nd year. You're posting the same doom and gloom in every thread you create or post in. It's getting old.

The tigers were doing pretty decent last year going by the standard left by josh pastner until it appeared there was something going on, and we found out later that the lawsons were unhappy. Any chance they became a cancer and brought the team down with them? The tigers lost 7 of their last 9 games. Then they stab the team in the back by quitting and others did too which screws up next year too.

After putting up with josh for so long, i'm willing to wait and see what tubby can bring. I don't think i help the program by being negative every chance i can be on the tigers message board or anywhere else. Yes, i have doubts, but at the same time, i'm not sure the only problem is the coach or players. I believe there have been serious missteps within the athletic department. A major one obviously is negotiating contracts. The 2nd one was made by not letting josh go earlier, because of mistake #1. That's how tiger basketball got to this point, so the rest of this **** is just blah blah blah to me.

Also, i'll add that tiger football is now priority #1, and the athletic department let that be known a couple years before josh left.

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On a side note...I cannot wait until GTS has this site set up so if you have someone on ignore, you don't have to continue to read their crap because someone quotes them.

^yep

(05-20-2017 02:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

So, you don't think he should be fired now?

(05-20-2017 06:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 02:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

So, you don't think he should be fired now?

No, he needs more time. But let's not deceive ourselves, it does not look good now. Hope I am wrong, obviously.

(05-20-2017 05:27 PM)tmoneyinmphs Wrote: [ -> ]That's good. I make it my goal to learn from my mistakes.

1. You were fine with josh staying here forever, ...

2. The 2nd one was made by not letting josh go earlier, because of mistake #1.

1. Wrong, I was glad to see Paster go after his last season.

2. Agree and we should not repeat the mistake with Tubby.

No one knows whether Tubby was a mistake or not. His biggest mistake so far was not cutting the Lawson loose last year. Any player who laughs while losing by double digits is not someone you want on your team.

(05-20-2017 06:59 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 06:50 PM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 02:07 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 10:13 AM)MTigerBlue Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-20-2017 09:41 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote: [ -> ]Was Saul part of the package deal?

1983, isn't your whole premise that Tubby should be expected to make the tournament by year three predicated upon the fact that, historically, every Memphis coach since Bartow (except Tic and Johnny) made the NCAA by year three? Would it not be hypocritical to cite coaching tradition in something you favor and then argue against it for something you oppose? For instance, how many coaches since Bartow were able to pick their own staff?

IMO, Tubby has until the end year three to meet minimal performance standard of earning an NCAA bid before he should be fired (barring a Iba type season).

However, a number of actions he has undertaken since he has arrived indicate serious doubts about his ability to achieve the standard. It is those actions and results I question. I perceive the brewing storm and I choose not to ignore it.

So, you don't think he should be fired now?

No, he needs more time. But let's not deceive ourselves, it does not look good now. Hope I am wrong, obviously.

Well OK, we agree on that, then. And I don't think anybody thinks it looks "Memphis good" right now. Here's to hoping year 3 puts us back where we all feel comfortable being -- kicking arse and taking names.

Would Wade Houston have been hired by UT if Allan wasn't his son?
Would Finch sign the kid from Overton if he wasn't buds with Penny?
Would Kirk have signed Aaron Price if it want for Keith Lee?
Didn't Arkansas sign Todd Day's step brother?
The QB at ole miss got his bother hired by both LSU and olemiss.

There are a million more examples.