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.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

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Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.

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Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017


Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

(05-13-2017 10:26 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]I think finances hold us at Occam's Razor. If 7 does it then it will be 7. If 8 does it then it will be 8. BTW I listened to a Louisville podcast with Tim Brando (although I'm not a big fan of Brando). He said he believed Notre Dame would join the ACC in full based on conversations he has had with various N.D. people (who he refused to name). So it will probably be 7.

There is a lot of loose information right now all of which is seemingly disconnected, but most of which points to the same thing, movement. Might we be getting much closer to both the parsing of the Big 12 and full Notre Dame inclusion? If so it means we are headed toward a P4 and that the two cable networks may be working some issues out, possibly, but not necessarily, in concert.

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
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Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
&


Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

The ACC only plays 8 conference games now.

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
&


Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

I believe it's here:

Brando on LSL Podcast

Not sure when Brando's portion begins...

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
&


Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

I will have to agree with you on this JR. ESPN is converting to streaming as fast as all of the schools can get their own studios built.
ACCN is already being broadcast on the ACC digital network and all of the technical folks are learning their trade on a trial basis before we go "live" in 2019.
ESPN has fronted equipment and expertise and the schools have fronted studios and personnel in a true partnership for the future.
It's never wise to bet against the guy with the most knowledge and resources.

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

The fan boys think ownership of the network will benefit them when streaming takes over. They don't understand there's a difference between owning rights and owning the infrastructure for a cable network. They'll always have the rights which is the important part, but throwing money at an entity did not benefit them in the long run.

(05-13-2017 01:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

I believe it's here:

Brando on LSL Podcast

Not sure when Brando's portion begins...

Around the 6:50 mark but the first few minutes is about Louisville basketball & UL/ACC football.

UConn Assemble!!!!!!!!: http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/13/15...against-nd

(05-13-2017 04:41 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]UConn Assemble!!!!!!!!: http://www.theuconnblog.com/2017/5/13/15...against-nd

What was Jed Clampett's word?....."Pi-ti-ful!"

(05-13-2017 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:09 AM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]LouisvilleSportsLive @LvilleSprtsLive

.@TimBrando #NotreDame: conversations have taken place about potentially joining the #ACC for football.
4:35 PM · May 12, 2017

This just adds weight to what I was told by a well placed N.D. insider.

12h
Tim Brando @TimBrando
Replying to @Klownchyld_1906 and 3 others
.Beano Cook didn't expect a CFB Playoff in my lifetime! It happened and Notre Dame's leadership will understand it's in their best interest.


Beano was a Brando buddy. Beano was a front man for teasing a line. Other than that he didn't know much.
&


Greg Flugaur @flugempire

When school takes reduced BTN payments for first 5 years upon entering into Big Ten Conf it's actually buying into ownership of said Network
12:48 AM · May 13, 2017

Hmmm. Very intersting. The BTN lost $448 million last year or 39.2% of its total value. Hell yeah if I'm Oklahoma I want me some of that? More total B.S. from the Dude of Gopher Hole.
Greg Flugaur @flugempire

1 item OU will use to make decision:
Take full payment immediately with SECN w no ownership or partial BTN payment for 5 yrs w ownership.

In other words do I choose full payment now without having to purchase an equal share in a dying cable model, or do I want to make much less for 5 years while I get a share in a dying cable model in which I was forced to have equity? Hmmm? Gee, I wonder which it will be. Especially since the technology in the SEC at campus sites is streaming ready and ESPN is investing in improved streaming technology? Add to that the fact that the SEC earns more now, has a much higher total gross revenue due to actual butts in the seat, merchandising deals, and travels well for all sports, and is closer, and I'm sure they will pick the Big 10 right?

Flugaur's only hope is the ancient Ivy League Eli and former lobby lapping Senator that was the Oklahoma governor and is now their President and who leans toward the Big 10 because of his past educational and political ties. Boren is the wild card they hope to play. They've worked OU the way the worked Maryland, not through alums and donors or even regents, but through the president. Loh was a Big 10 guy. Boren is a politician with Ivy ties to the Beltway.

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

I will have to agree with you on this JR. ESPN is converting to streaming as fast as all of the schools can get their own studios built.
ACCN is already being broadcast on the ACC digital network and all of the technical folks are learning their trade on a trial basis before we go "live" in 2019.
ESPN has fronted equipment and expertise and the schools have fronted studios and personnel in a true partnership for the future.
It's never wise to bet against the guy with the most knowledge and resources.

The SEC is available, as are both the PAC, and BTN, on PS Vue. SECN/PAC12N is available on Sling. BTN/SECN are available on Direct TV Now. Streaming is in full overdrive. Now HULU and UTube are offering premium live streaming services. I want to know how much these premium streaming services pay for ESPN, FS1, etc., and the conference networks, as opposed to cable and satellite. If I remember correctly Jr, these profits are not added into the revenue totals?

(05-13-2017 11:33 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:51 AM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

I will have to agree with you on this JR. ESPN is converting to streaming as fast as all of the schools can get their own studios built.
ACCN is already being broadcast on the ACC digital network and all of the technical folks are learning their trade on a trial basis before we go "live" in 2019.
ESPN has fronted equipment and expertise and the schools have fronted studios and personnel in a true partnership for the future.
It's never wise to bet against the guy with the most knowledge and resources.

The SEC is available, as are both the PAC, and BTN, on PS Vue. SECN/PAC12N is available on Sling. BTN/SECN are available on Direct TV Now. Streaming is in full overdrive. Now HULU and UTube are offering premium live streaming services. I want to know how much these premium streaming services pay for ESPN, FS1, etc., and the conference networks, as opposed to cable and satellite. If I remember correctly Jr, these profits are not added into the revenue totals?

Correct. They are not "cable subscriptions" so they are categorized differently. But the fees are the same.

(05-13-2017 11:36 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:33 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Maryland did have a revenue need as they were forced to cut sports programs. President Loh used that as a major reason to move. The alumni were not happy. SVP, current SportsCenter at night host and UMD alumni Scott Van Pelt, still talks with disstain over that move.

As for the equity vs share model, both have Network owning/controlling 51% while the conference divies up the remaining 49%. It takes longer for B1G schools to reach full shares and voting rights in B1G which is around 5-7 years while SEC starts you off st 100% and full voting privileges.

I'm liking our chances of landing OU more and more, but what kicks off the firestorm? Norte Dame going all in with the ACC? Clearly Norte Dame would request or require the ACC to drop down to 8 conference games to allow them to preserve their rivalries.

Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

I will have to agree with you on this JR. ESPN is converting to streaming as fast as all of the schools can get their own studios built.
ACCN is already being broadcast on the ACC digital network and all of the technical folks are learning their trade on a trial basis before we go "live" in 2019.
ESPN has fronted equipment and expertise and the schools have fronted studios and personnel in a true partnership for the future.
It's never wise to bet against the guy with the most knowledge and resources.

The SEC is available, as are both the PAC, and BTN, on PS Vue. SECN/PAC12N is available on Sling. BTN/SECN are available on Direct TV Now. Streaming is in full overdrive. Now HULU and UTube are offering premium live streaming services. I want to know how much these premium streaming services pay for ESPN, FS1, etc., and the conutility taxes.ference networks, as opposed to cable and satellite. If I remember correctly Jr, these profits are not added into the revenue totals?

Correct. They are not "cable subscriptions" so they are categorized differently. But the fees are the same.

Satellite and cable will never compete with the streamers. Way too much overhead, paying for equipment, technicians, etc. They will soon be pushed aside, just like the stagecoach in the new age of autos. The government is already looking for ways to tax streaming, as they are taking a real hit with utility taxes. I see a massive court fight in our future.

(05-13-2017 11:54 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:36 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 11:33 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 02:40 PM)XLance Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:44 PM)JRsec Wrote: [ -> ]We opted out of the 51% ownership. It looks like an extremely smart move now. ESPN owns 100% of the SECN. We split the NET profits with them 50/50 and that has been lucrative and flexible should the model change.

The Big 10 owns 49.9% of the BTN. FOX owns 50.1% of it. The equity buy in is for 1 equal share of the BTN. That's a lot for a model that is likely to be worthless in just a few years.

So my point is a full distribution of profits with no equity liability versus a 5 year buy in at 1/2 distribution which gives you a multi million dollar share of a dying and devaluing product is an absurdly one sided choice. But Boren keeps pressing the academics issue which is almost wholly unrelated to sports and extremely non transferable as far as grants go.

Last year (2015) the BTN was worth 1.59 billion while the SECN was worth 4.77 billion. This year the SECN was worth 4.692 billion while the BTN fell to 1.141 Billion. The SECN was devalued by 1.66%. The BTN was devalued by 39.2%.

I harp on this only because it so danged significant and nobody is paying enough attention to it. To me it's a bigger issue than any other rumor out there right now. College Football is a business and the BTN's devaluation is massive.

I will have to agree with you on this JR. ESPN is converting to streaming as fast as all of the schools can get their own studios built.
ACCN is already being broadcast on the ACC digital network and all of the technical folks are learning their trade on a trial basis before we go "live" in 2019.
ESPN has fronted equipment and expertise and the schools have fronted studios and personnel in a true partnership for the future.
It's never wise to bet against the guy with the most knowledge and resources.

The SEC is available, as are both the PAC, and BTN, on PS Vue. SECN/PAC12N is available on Sling. BTN/SECN are available on Direct TV Now. Streaming is in full overdrive. Now HULU and UTube are offering premium live streaming services. I want to know how much these premium streaming services pay for ESPN, FS1, etc., and the conutility taxes.ference networks, as opposed to cable and satellite. If I remember correctly Jr, these profits are not added into the revenue totals?

Correct. They are not "cable subscriptions" so they are categorized differently. But the fees are the same.

Satellite and cable will never compete with the streamers. Way too much overhead, paying for equipment, technicians, etc. They will soon be pushed aside, just like the stagecoach in the new age of autos. The government is already looking for ways to tax streaming, as they are taking a real hit with utility taxes. I see a massive court fight in our future.

One aspect about campus ready streaming is that we can use our own announcers. That would be so appealing. The ESPN announcers are yet another part of that dinosaur. It'll take 5 years but once the tax is figured out it will happen. That's why I think moving early behooves FOX and ESPN. Renegotiate the new values with the additions and extend the contracts before they ever expire and Amazon and Hulu can jump in. It gives everybody time to transition.

(05-13-2017 01:48 PM)AllTideUp Wrote: [ -> ]

(05-13-2017 12:16 PM)murrdcu Wrote: [ -> ]Also, anyone gotta like to the Lville and Brando audio?

I believe it's here:

Brando on LSL Podcast

Not sure when Brando's portion begins...

There was an interesting tidbit in this interview for anyone who hasn't listened to it.

Brando was also one of the first to say the ACCN was definitely coming last year before it actually happened. He's not only saying here that he's had contact with people at Notre Dame that believe they're going all in, but he gives their reasoning. It's about having consistent access to the playoff...

Notre Dame's travel schedule is difficult and unless they go 12-0, the odds of them making the CFP are very low. Add to that, ND has been taking a hit on their brand for a couple of decades now. The old guard Irish fans haven't really perceived the issues because they're stuck in the past. It is lost on them that an entire generation of kids have now grown up that wouldn't even remember the Holtz years. Add to that, recruits want to play for multiple titles and ND doesn't have an opportunity to play for a conference title. It's a subtle thing, but I can see how that would make a difference to a competitive athlete.

Ultimately, the reason Notre Dame will join the ACC is the same that any school joins a league.

Along that line of thinking, that being access to the playoffs, he even offers this...UT and OU want the Big 12 to work because they feel it's an easier path to the playoffs. The disconnect there, of course, is that hasn't worked out so well. UT has been down for nearly a decade and OU hasn't taken advantage of their opportunities. Brando went on to say the other members of the Big 12 are secretly rooting for OU and UT to be more competitive so that the reputation of the league improves and is more stable in the long run.

Now, I'm not sure I buy all of that because surely OU has realized that ship has sailed. UT might be arrogant enough to believe they can rescue the Big 12, but there's a reason there are constant rumors of OU looking elsewhere despite Brando specifically raining on that idea.

So what if it works like this...

OU and OSU are allowed to leave early and go to the SEC. Kansas is allowed to leave early and go to the B1G along with UConn

In other words, the Big 12 lives on a little longer because Texas can't make its mind up and the others have nowhere else to go. BYU, Houston, and perhaps Memphis are added to replace the losses. The conference limps on for a time longer with a renegotiated contract that will keep the conference around longer, but at a reduced rate. UT keeps the LHN for a while so they're happy either way.

Meanwhile, Notre Dame and Cincinnati go to the ACC.

The only one that's not at 16 is the PAC.

It's officially the offseason:



Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Here's where I point out that OU wants a conf network & Texas doesn't.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Important to note that both UT & OU prefer a healthy B12 as long as they get what they want.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
The preceding was the opinion of a highly placed source at a media partner with the Big 12.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Source: At the same time Bowlsby is promoting a plan to have a digital network & possible merger with P12. No discussions with P12 yet.


Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Source: Nothing would make Texas happier than to be able to blame OU on the breakup of the Big 12.



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Source: But WVU might find the Texas courts friendly to challenging the GoR especially if evidence that OU or KU have spoken with SEC or B1G





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Source: WVU could not challenge GoR using sovereign immunity since venue would be Texas.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Source: If the ACC offers WVU the Mountaineers would certainly inquire about the possibility of a buyout.

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Source: If Bowlsby can't get UT to make concessions on LHN he will resign as commissioner by the end of 2017.


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Source: Bowlsby believes the B12 has the opportunity to secure its future but UT is resisting because of LHN.


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Source: If the B12 sees the writing on the wall concerning 2025 it will expand to 14 in a money grab. (His opinion)

Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Replying to @CoachsWifeASU
Source: ACC's wish list: 1. Navy 2. WVU 3. UCONN 4. UC. Navy not likely to have interest.


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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Replying to @CoachsWifeASU
UNC, Duke & BC against WVU but it takes 4 no votes now. ESPN would like to see WVU.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
Replying to @CoachsWifeASU
You would think. Especially with WVU's connections to FSU, Clemson, Pitt, VT & Syracuse.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
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WVU's luck that the ACC finally wants them but they are married to a crazy person bent on self destruction.





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Khristofór Lambert @theDudeofWV
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Yes. ACC seems to want WVU. Pesky GoR though.

I like the Dude because he always gives you a solid picture of what isn't happening. It's very helpful at times.