https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
(05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I follow Wisconsin as my 2nd favorite team and they should be on this list before some those schools with this schedule:
vs Utah St, vs Florida Atlantic, @ BYU
The main thing that jumps out to me is that the SEC only plays 8 conference gsmes and has 4 OOC games. So to make this an apples to apples comparison, you need to throw out the SEC's 1 game against a P5 and rank the SEC based on the 3 remaining OOC games.
That makes no sense at all. It's a ranking of OOC games and we have 4 of them and now require one to be against a P5 type opponent. It's not our fault other conferences choose to schedule differently.
Also note that in many of these cases, these teams are being penalized for having their P5 game be against a B1G team
(05-04-2017 08:20 AM)goofus Wrote: [ -> ]The main thing that jumps out to me is that the SEC only plays 8 conference gsmes and has 4 OOC games. So to make this an apples to apples comparison, you need to throw out the SEC's 1 game against a P5 and rank the SEC based on the 3 remaining OOC games.
of course Big Ten Fanboy would say that. Also, quite comical that you would mention the SEC and not the ACC, who also plays 8 conference games.
(05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I'm sorry but Washingtons looks harder than the rest on this list. No way it's the easiest.
(05-04-2017 09:35 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I'm sorry but Washingtons looks harder than the rest on this list. No way it's the easiest.
How so? Rutgers, Montana and Fresno State combined for 9 wins last year.
This list makes no sense. How is Kansas not #1?
Kansas: Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
After looking through some other schedules that were left out, I think this is just a ranking of the hardest opponent on your OOC schedule. Otherwise these would have made the list:
Northwestern: Nevada, @ Duke, Bowling Green
Kentucky: @ Southern Miss, Eastern KY, Eastern Michigan, Louisville
Tennessee: Georgia Tech (neutral in Atlanta), Indiana State, UMass, Southern Miss
Texas A&M: @ UCLA, Nicholls State, UL Lafayette, New Mexico
(05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
mizzou has fallen of the map didn't they win the sec east like 3 years ago
(05-04-2017 09:51 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 09:35 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I'm sorry but Washingtons looks harder than the rest on this list. No way it's the easiest.
How so? Rutgers, Montana and Fresno State combined for 9 wins last year.
Win totals aren't everything. Rutgers would have had more wins if they played in the Sun Belt. That doesn't mean playing two sun belt teams is a harder schedule.
the 2 that have 2 Sun Belt games-
Ole Miss- plays @ Cal- tougher
Arkansas- plays TCU- tougher
Washington better hope they aren't in a battle with a team with same number of losses again. Just like last year, it wouldn't end well for them.
(05-04-2017 11:11 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 09:51 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 09:35 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I'm sorry but Washingtons looks harder than the rest on this list. No way it's the easiest.
How so? Rutgers, Montana and Fresno State combined for 9 wins last year.
Win totals aren't everything. Rutgers would have had more wins if they played in the Sun Belt. That doesn't mean playing two sun belt teams is a harder schedule.
Look at something like last year's Massey composite of dozens of computer rankings, which ranked all FBS teams from 1 through 128.
UW 2017 opponents: Rutgers (113), Montana (FCS, 6-5, not in playoffs), Fresno State (126)
Compare that to, say, Baylor, whose former coach was very intent on having easy non-conference schedules: Liberty (FCS, 6-5, not in playoffs), UTSA (93), Duke (79).
P5 opponent: Duke > Rutgers.
G5 opponent: UTSA > Fresno State, unless Fresno is vastly improved this season, which is possible but not likely.
FCS opponent: Montana > Liberty. Same record last season but Montana was 6-5 vs. a more challenging schedule.
Know one needs to make excuses for uw's schedule, it's terrible in terms of the strength of their competition. It gets better in 2018 when they open up against Auburn. As for this year, win them all convincingly and pray that we face an undefeated USC in the PAC 12 title game, pretty much are only chance to get back to the playoffs
(05-04-2017 09:35 AM)RutgersGuy Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 07:18 AM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ]https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/nc...101178712/
1) Washington (@Rutgers, vs. Montana, vs. Fresno State)
2) Colorado (vs. Colorado State, vs. Texas State, vs. Northern Colorado
3) Kansas (vs. Southeast Missouri State, vs. Central Michigan, @Ohio
4) Arizona (vs. Northern Arizona, vs. Houston, @UTEP
5) Baylor (vs. Liberty, vs. UTSA, @Duke)
6) Missouri (vs. Missouri St, vs. Purdue, vs. Idaho, @UConn)
7) Ole Miss ((vs. South Alabama, vs. Tennessee-Martin, @Cal, vs. ULL)
8) Arkansas (vs. FAMU, vs. TCU, vs. New Mexico State, vs. Coastal Carolina)
9) Oregon State (@Colorado State, vs. Portland State, vs. Minnesota)
10) Mississippi State (vs. Charleston Southern, @La Tech, vs. BYU, vs. UMass)
I'm sorry but Washingtons looks harder than the rest on this list. No way it's the easiest.
...too easy
You walked right into that one and the others.
Granted, I kind of agree with you. I see very little difference between those.
(05-04-2017 08:28 AM)10thMountain Wrote: [ -> ]That makes no sense at all. It's a ranking of OOC games and we have 4 of them and now require one to be against a P5 type opponent. It's not our fault other conferences choose to schedule differently.
Also note that in many of these cases, these teams are being penalized for having their P5 game be against a B1G team
Or the PAC. B.Y.U. may be one of the tougher non conference that count as a P5, T.C.U. is no slouch either. But I do think it's fair to compare the 3 non P5 games. But you will notice again the sliding scale used in this argument. The conference portion of the schedule is not factored in on base of strength. Would these 4 schools have the weakest overall schedule? Probably not. Therefore they get penalized in articles like this one for balancing the conference schedule with the schools they have selected.
Now that said I think we should all move to either 10 P games including conference and OOC P games and homecoming. Then if we still get these complaints let's just move to all P games. We'll let Michigan schedule Vanderbilt if Alabama gets to play Rutgers. Florida State gets Kentucky and Auburn gets Wake Forest. Then all of the money stays in house and we can charge more for those tickets. An FCS opponent yields $55 in ticket costs face value (and donations for the right to purchase not included). G5 opponents yield $65 and of course P opponents start at $75 and go up. The fans would like it better too.
Then every year we wouldn't have to put up with a troll piece by USAToday or the New York Times where a very selective and incomplete criteria is used to make these kinds of claims.
I very much dislike the "weak schedule / strong schedule" argument. Many games are scheduled years in advance and most rosters are probably around 25% different from year-to-year. A team can only play who is on their schedule.
I like the CFP committee, but I would prefer a system a little more fair to non-power schools. I would do the following:
1. All* undefeated schools get into the CFP. The last time we had more than 2 was in 2004 (3 - USC, Auburn, Utah) and before that 1973 (3 - Notre Dame, Penn St, Miami OH). The last time we had 4 was 1969 (Texas, Penn St, San Diego St, Toledo). Since the BCS era began, we've had 5 out of 19 seasons with multiple undefeated teams.
*See #2 below
2. Non-power schools are disqualified from CFP contention, but not NY6 contention, if they play an FCS school and/or don't play a power school. Non-power schools must play at least 2 power schools for mandatory CFP selection and have an undefeated season but only under CFP consideration if they play only 1 power school and have an undefeated season.
3. Independents must play a minimum of 8 power schools for CFP consideration.
4. Power schools must play at least 1 power OOC game* and 1 non-power OOC game.
*If a conference chooses to play 10 conference games, this requirement does not apply.
Something like that...?
(05-04-2017 02:54 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]1. All* undefeated schools get into the CFP. The last time we had more than 2 was in 2004 (3 - USC, Auburn, Utah) and before that 1973 (3 - Notre Dame, Penn St, Miami OH). The last time we had 4 was 1969 (Texas, Penn St, San Diego St, Toledo). Since the BCS era began, we've had 5 out of 19 seasons with multiple undefeated teams.
*See #2 below
We had five in 2009: Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, Boise State.
vs Florida A&M
vs New Mexico St
vs Coastal Carolina
3 absolute snoozers to dreg through for Razorback fans. Even if Arkansas FB was my life, I'd find something different to do those 3 days.
the problem with what you are saying is that the CFP does judge teams on their OOC schedule. Just like the selection committee in basketball. You might not like it, but it's definitely a factor. Why was Washington 4th last year? In large part because of their OOC garbage.
So rating P5 OOC schedules is a very valid thing. And will continue to be a very valid thing.
(05-04-2017 02:58 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote: [ -> ] (05-04-2017 02:54 PM)BePcr07 Wrote: [ -> ]1. All* undefeated schools get into the CFP. The last time we had more than 2 was in 2004 (3 - USC, Auburn, Utah) and before that 1973 (3 - Notre Dame, Penn St, Miami OH). The last time we had 4 was 1969 (Texas, Penn St, San Diego St, Toledo). Since the BCS era began, we've had 5 out of 19 seasons with multiple undefeated teams.
*See #2 below
We had five in 2009: Alabama, Texas, Cincinnati, TCU, Boise State.
Ha nevermind. I was looking at final records instead of end of regular season. My bad.