2016-2017 has shaped up to be a very bad year for the MAC in the 3 revenue sports (Ok, WBB is only a revenue sport in Toledo). Post season has Akron MBB the only team winning a post season game. The MAC is not a good conference and Toledo is not helping the conference picture. Isn't it time to make a commitment to excellence or let's stop kidding ourselves as fans that things are getting better. Coaches salaries and facilities have improved, but competition results against out of conference schools/post season games paint a bleak picture. The UT President wants to improve the university's News & World Reports ranking, how about a commitment to improve athletics! I guess I'm tired of being disappointed again and wanting to be relevant as a sports fan. See you in the fall.
Well said. That about sums it up.
A recruiting problem. What does it take to fix that?
Too much apathy in this town towards their hometown team. I blame the media to an extent. Too much Michigan this and osu that only feeds their fanatical frenzy.
This years lady Rockets showed what can be done to rev up local interest. It"s time for the men"s teams, football & basketball, to follow suit. The city of Toledo loves a winner...
(03-19-2017 03:37 PM)Fallen Timbers Wrote: [ -> ]2016-2017 has shaped up to be a very bad year for the MAC in the 3 revenue sports (Ok, WBB is only a revenue sport in Toledo). Post season has Akron MBB the only team winning a post season game. The MAC is not a good conference and Toledo is not helping the conference picture. Isn't it time to make a commitment to excellence or let's stop kidding ourselves as fans that things are getting better. Coaches salaries and facilities have improved, but competition results against out of conference schools/post season games paint a bleak picture. The UT President wants to improve the university's News & World Reports ranking, how about a commitment to improve athletics! I guess I'm tired of being disappointed again and wanting to be relevant as a sports fan. See you in the fall.
WBB is not a revenue sport at UT.
(03-19-2017 05:09 PM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ]Too much apathy in this town towards their hometown team. I blame the media to an extent. Too much Michigan this and osu that only feeds their fanatical frenzy.
This years lady Rockets showed what can be done to rev up local interest. It"s time for the men"s teams, football & basketball, to follow suit. The city of Toledo loves a winner...
I wouldn't blame the media. I spend a lot of time looking for media coverage about our opponents. We get more coverage than most.
Great first post, welcome to the forum. Seriously, you echo what many others are thinking on here. UT has a unique opportunity to be the flagship of a relatively nice-sized city, if only it started winning and winning consistently. Winning when it counts.
Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
(03-19-2017 05:37 PM)DetroitRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2017 03:37 PM)Fallen Timbers Wrote: [ -> ]2016-2017 has shaped up to be a very bad year for the MAC in the 3 revenue sports (Ok, WBB is only a revenue sport in Toledo). Post season has Akron MBB the only team winning a post season game. The MAC is not a good conference and Toledo is not helping the conference picture. Isn't it time to make a commitment to excellence or let's stop kidding ourselves as fans that things are getting better. Coaches salaries and facilities have improved, but competition results against out of conference schools/post season games paint a bleak picture. The UT President wants to improve the university's News & World Reports ranking, how about a commitment to improve athletics! I guess I'm tired of being disappointed again and wanting to be relevant as a sports fan. See you in the fall.
WBB is not a revenue sport at UT.
Yes it is. 3,000 - 4,000 fans at home games. 3rd highest attendance of any basketball team in MAC including men's teams.
(03-19-2017 08:50 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
The AAC is definitely a step up for football. But if Cincy and Houston would ever bolt, it is not much of an upgrade over the MAC. Toledo has already shown they can beat Temple, Navy, Cincy, and UCF in the past... The huge trade off in a positive way, would be a semi regular slate of weekend games. Only downside, is a lack of drivable games, with the exception of Cincy, Navy, and Temple. I imagine to be considered for the AAC, Toledo would need to start dominating again in football and basketball. Also, maybe to fill a 26,000 seat stadium and 7,000 seat arena on a regular basis could help, along with a ton of more $$$ for further facility upgrades...
The city of Toledo would probably get on board for fan interest, if you brought Navy, (Army, if part of the AAC) and Cincy as a natural rival, to the GB on a regular basis... If you could include Ohio, and a couple of MAC contenders, not pretenders, that could be a nice conference...
(03-20-2017 06:40 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2017 08:50 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
The AAC is definitely a step up for football. But if Cincy and Houston would ever bolt, it is not much of an upgrade over the MAC. Toledo has already shown they can beat Temple, Navy, Cincy, and UCF in the past... The huge trade off in a positive way, would be a semi regular slate of weekend games. Only downside, is a lack of drivable games, with the exception of Cincy, Navy, and Temple. I imagine to be considered for the AAC, Toledo would need to start dominating again in football and basketball. Also, maybe to fill a 26,000 seat stadium and 7,000 seat arena on a regular basis could help, along with a ton of more $$$ for further facility upgrades...
Maybe we could just get into the AAC for Football and join the Horizon League for Basketball. We are a along ways from competing at a high level in basketball anyways.
(03-20-2017 12:23 PM)BDV27 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2017 06:40 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2017 08:50 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
The AAC is definitely a step up for football. But if Cincy and Houston would ever bolt, it is not much of an upgrade over the MAC. Toledo has already shown they can beat Temple, Navy, Cincy, and UCF in the past... The huge trade off in a positive way, would be a semi regular slate of weekend games. Only downside, is a lack of drivable games, with the exception of Cincy, Navy, and Temple. I imagine to be considered for the AAC, Toledo would need to start dominating again in football and basketball. Also, maybe to fill a 26,000 seat stadium and 7,000 seat arena on a regular basis could help, along with a ton of more $$$ for further facility upgrades...
Maybe we could just get into the AAC for Football and join the Horizon League for Basketball. We are a along ways from competing at a high level in basketball anyways.
Interesting thought. I can see arguments both ways. What do the rest of you on the Board think?
If the AAC were to ever dangle a "football only" invite to us
(highly doubtful, but still), would you support moving the basketball programs--& I assume every other sport--to the "smaller" Horizon League? Some of those teams have been quite competitive in basketball, both with us and with majors...and it's not like we'd be leaving a multi-NCAA bid MAC to go to the 1-bid Horizon...
(03-20-2017 01:29 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2017 12:23 PM)BDV27 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2017 06:40 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2017 08:50 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
The AAC is definitely a step up for football. But if Cincy and Houston would ever bolt, it is not much of an upgrade over the MAC. Toledo has already shown they can beat Temple, Navy, Cincy, and UCF in the past... The huge trade off in a positive way, would be a semi regular slate of weekend games. Only downside, is a lack of drivable games, with the exception of Cincy, Navy, and Temple. I imagine to be considered for the AAC, Toledo would need to start dominating again in football and basketball. Also, maybe to fill a 26,000 seat stadium and 7,000 seat arena on a regular basis could help, along with a ton of more $$$ for further facility upgrades...
Maybe we could just get into the AAC for Football and join the Horizon League for Basketball. We are a along ways from competing at a high level in basketball anyways.
Interesting thought. I can see arguments both ways. What do the rest of you on the Board think? If the AAC were to ever dangle a "football only" invite to us (highly doubtful, but still), would you support moving the basketball programs--& I assume every other sport--to the "smaller" Horizon League? Some of those teams have been quite competitive in basketball, both with us and with majors...and it's not like we'd be leaving a multi-NCAA bid MAC to go to the 1-bid Horizon...
Anything to get us out of the MAC.
(03-20-2017 01:29 PM)bcunn3128 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2017 12:23 PM)BDV27 Wrote: [ -> ] (03-20-2017 06:40 AM)FMRocket Wrote: [ -> ] (03-19-2017 08:50 PM)Springboromark Wrote: [ -> ]Get out of the MAC, but where, who would want UT in their conference. Yes commitment to excellence, win the MAC in football and basketball on a consistant basis and people start looking at you. I don't know if the American Athletic conference would be a big step up for football? Basketball YES!
The AAC is definitely a step up for football. But if Cincy and Houston would ever bolt, it is not much of an upgrade over the MAC. Toledo has already shown they can beat Temple, Navy, Cincy, and UCF in the past... The huge trade off in a positive way, would be a semi regular slate of weekend games. Only downside, is a lack of drivable games, with the exception of Cincy, Navy, and Temple. I imagine to be considered for the AAC, Toledo would need to start dominating again in football and basketball. Also, maybe to fill a 26,000 seat stadium and 7,000 seat arena on a regular basis could help, along with a ton of more $$$ for further facility upgrades...
Maybe we could just get into the AAC for Football and join the Horizon League for Basketball. We are a along ways from competing at a high level in basketball anyways.
Interesting thought. I can see arguments both ways. What do the rest of you on the Board think? If the AAC were to ever dangle a "football only" invite to us (highly doubtful, but still), would you support moving the basketball programs--& I assume every other sport--to the "smaller" Horizon League? Some of those teams have been quite competitive in basketball, both with us and with majors...and it's not like we'd be leaving a multi-NCAA bid MAC to go to the 1-bid Horizon...
That could work but only if Cincy/Navy/Houston stick around...
Bueller, Bueller, Bueller, Terry,Terry, anybody !!!
Definitely the off-season.
(03-20-2017 02:56 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote: [ -> ]Definitely the off-season.
Yep!
UC drilled us in 2014. Haven't played UCF in a long while. Temple is Temple. Navy has been much better since they joined the AAC. We would in no way dominate that league or the teams in it. USF. Memphis. Houston. New Navy. Tulsa, on a game to game basis...are on another level than we were last season. We can get back to 2015 shape and compete for sure! But in the last 3 seasons as an average? We rank at about a 7-5 to 8-4 AAC squad. The bottom of that league is much better than the MAC. I don't even want to talk about that league in basketball. For someone who paid very close attention to the G5 last season, rest be assured that beating UCF in 2002 or whenever means nothing now.
With that being said, the MAC in football may be on an upturn this season. BG and Miami are on upswings, with a consistent Toledo, WMU, and Ohio still near the top. WMU was still the best overall G5 team last season. I wouldn't bolt just yet. It's not always the toughest league who is granted that Access Bowl Spot. We saw that in 2016... That's where the money is. Winning bowl games are essential in gaining respect though. It sucks being dogs in 5 of 6 games.
The AAC does not want a team from a declining media market that it cannot dominate in coverage. Toledo is covered FOURTH by the local paper for gosh sakes. Get over yourselves people, unless the MAC implodes Toledo is going nowhere.
Please turn off this old bit siren
(03-20-2017 04:39 PM)UofToledoFans Wrote: [ -> ]UC drilled us in 2014. Haven't played UCF in a long while. Temple is Temple. Navy has been much better since they joined the AAC. We would in no way dominate that league or the teams in it. USF. Memphis. Houston. New Navy. Tulsa, on a game to game basis...are on another level than we were last season. We can get back to 2015 shape and compete for sure! But in the last 3 seasons as an average? We rank at about a 7-5 to 8-4 AAC squad. The bottom of that league is much better than the MAC. I don't even want to talk about that league in basketball. For someone who paid very close attention to the G5 last season, rest be assured that beating UCF in 2002 or whenever means nothing now.
With that being said, the MAC in football may be on an upturn this season. BG and Miami are on upswings, with a consistent Toledo, WMU, and Ohio still near the top. WMU was still the best overall G5 team last season. I wouldn't bolt just yet. It's not always the toughest league who is granted that Access Bowl Spot. We saw that in 2016... That's where the money is. Winning bowl games are essential in gaining respect though. It sucks being dogs in 5 of 6 games.
so you condone Toledo playing in front of less than 5,000 people in the stands on the road?????