(03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
(03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
(03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
Early in JJs tenure or if the focus was solely on big men, I would agree. But Xavier Green, Hueitt and Godwin all run counter to your argument.
I just wish the JUCOs we've signed were better. All of them disappointing to me.
(03-22-2017 01:34 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ]I just wish the JUCOs we've signed were better. All of them disappointing to me.
That is the big issue with what Jones has done since he came over. I don't have a problem with JUCOS if you hit on them, but missing on them is bad news.
(03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Xavier Green had an offer from Cincy....
(03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
(03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
I don't think anyone is celebrating. People are just countering your opinions. It does not mean they are celebrating.
(03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
Based off of these player's classifications:
Shannon Evans-jr
Marcus Evans-so
Rodney Bullock-jr
Ahmad Caver-so
Xavier Green-fr
Michael Hueitt- INC
Marquis Godwin- INC
So Caver, Green, Hueitt, and Godwin is fairly comparable to your list.
(03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
So do you consider Providence, UMASS, Miami, Cincy, Virginia Tech to be PEER schools? I don't.
If not, you must really be impressed that Jones brought in Green, who had an offers from Cincy and Providence. So are we bringing in guys at our level or above?
(03-22-2017 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 12:41 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Going through those:
Shannon Evans- Committed during the season we won 5 games and had a drunk head coach.
Rodney Bullock- Had offers from multiple ACC schools and a Big East School.
Marcus Evans- Ignoring that Rhoades had him all tied up, him and Caver were basically the same level of recruits and basically the same caliber player right now, just different skill sets.
So this is Jeff Jones fault none of these 3 guys were at Old Dominion?
Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
So do you consider Providence, UMASS, Miami, Cincy, Virginia Tech to be PEER schools? I don't.
If not, you must really be impressed that Jones brought in Green, who had an offers from Cincy and Providence. So are we bringing in guys at our level or above?
Dude you are arguing with yourself again. You just said we can't beat out Providence for a recruit, now you are saying we beat them out for Green. If we could beat them for Green, why is it unreasonable to believe that we could have beaten them for Bullock?
And to answer you question, I do think all of the non ACC schools that you mentioned are, or should be, peers.
(03-22-2017 02:55 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:21 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ]Sounds like a lot of excuses. The fact is that we haven't had coaches that have been able to close the deal on guys that are at the top, or considered just out of the reach for a program like ours.
What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
So do you consider Providence, UMASS, Miami, Cincy, Virginia Tech to be PEER schools? I don't.
If not, you must really be impressed that Jones brought in Green, who had an offers from Cincy and Providence. So are we bringing in guys at our level or above?
Dude you are arguing with yourself again. You just said we can't beat out Providence for a recruit, now you are saying we beat them out for Green. If we could beat them for Green, why is it unreasonable to believe that we could have beaten them for Bullock?
And to answer you question, I do think all of the non ACC schools that you mentioned are, or should be, peers.
I don't expect to beat Providence for a recruit. When we do, it's a win. Do you acknowledge this? If so, then you must be excited that Jones got Green and Hueitt. It is possible every once in awhile? Maybe.
Seriously, if you think we are on par with the Big East (or ever have been), I can see why you think we are underachieving.
(03-22-2017 03:12 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 02:55 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 02:03 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:39 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 01:24 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]What? We got a recruit the same level as Marcus Evans when at the same time. One was Blaines fault (I guess that is an excuse?). The other was offered by better schools we cannot compete with. Should we blame Jones for not landing Matt Coleman while we are at it?
Would you consider Hueitt and Godwin as guys that are at the top or just out of our reach? Hueitt got offers from Mizzou, MTSU, Richmond.
Here we go again with bringing blue chippers into the conversation. Nobody reasonable thinks we should bring in Matt Coleman. And again with the "but we brought in two good players this year" What about all the bad players we have brought in recently. Why can't we have Hueitt and Godwin AND Evans, Evans, and Bullock. The fact that we beat out a couple PEER programs for players this year should not be something to celebrate, but rather something to expect.
So do you consider Providence, UMASS, Miami, Cincy, Virginia Tech to be PEER schools? I don't.
If not, you must really be impressed that Jones brought in Green, who had an offers from Cincy and Providence. So are we bringing in guys at our level or above?
Dude you are arguing with yourself again. You just said we can't beat out Providence for a recruit, now you are saying we beat them out for Green. If we could beat them for Green, why is it unreasonable to believe that we could have beaten them for Bullock?
And to answer you question, I do think all of the non ACC schools that you mentioned are, or should be, peers.
I don't expect to beat Providence for a recruit. When we do, it's a win. Do you acknowledge this? If so, then you must be excited that Jones got Green and Hueitt.
Seriously, if you think we are on par with the Big East (or ever have been), I can see why you think we are underachieving.
I think our program should be in a position to regularly compete with, and often win recruiting battles for local kids against schools like Providence and UMASS.
Just a comparison, I think Providence brings in 7 million per year in basketball (I believe that doesn't account for the huge bump they got last year) and ODU basketball brings in 2 million? (just off top of head)
There practice facility costs 38 million dollars. Ours was 8.5 million?
Ed Cooley makes about 2 million per year. Jeff Jones makes, what $450k
Just a quick comparison of the two programs that should "compete against each other for recruits."
(03-22-2017 03:33 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Just a comparison, I think Providence brings in 7 million per year in basketball (I believe that doesn't account for the huge bump they got last year) and ODU basketball brings in 2 million? (just off top of head)
There practice facility costs 38 million dollars. Ours was 8.5 million?
Ed Cooley makes about 2 million per year. Jeff Jones makes, what $450k
Just a quick comparison of the two programs that should "compete against each other for recruits."
Sounds like we need to step it up, huh? Paying a coach $450k and building $8 million practice facility is certainly part of the problem that I have with the way we are handling basketball.
And I know... Football... blah blah blah. We are spending less on our basketball program that other programs with football and with smaller or similar athletic budgets.
Look, I don't know what the secret to recruiting successfully is; it's all very inexact.
I will say I heard an interesting theory during the A-10 tournament (not sure I'm buying it, but whatever) ... The TV guys were talking about the GMU coach and saying what a good job he's doing. The analyst said something like "especially since he had to learn how to recruit a whole different caliber of player than he went after (at previous job)." And I've thought about that for a while. Here we have Jones, 10 years of evaluating and recruiting kids at the Patriot League level, ignoring the kids he figures hew has no chance to get. He comes here and suddenly has to recruit at a different level to raise the program and keep it successful. We look at Evans at Rice and we know Rhoades was on him for several years. Same with Coleman and Shaka.
Hueitt has already alluded to the fact that ODU recruited him, for 3 years or so. I don't think it's unreasonable to think it could take a few years to make inroads with the higher-level recruits we all seek. It's one reason I'm willing to give JJ one more year.
Anyway, time for the second shift.
(03-22-2017 03:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 03:33 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Just a comparison, I think Providence brings in 7 million per year in basketball (I believe that doesn't account for the huge bump they got last year) and ODU basketball brings in 2 million? (just off top of head)
There practice facility costs 38 million dollars. Ours was 8.5 million?
Ed Cooley makes about 2 million per year. Jeff Jones makes, what $450k
Just a quick comparison of the two programs that should "compete against each other for recruits."
Sounds like we need to step it up, huh? Paying a coach $450k and building $8 million practice facility is certainly part of the problem that I have with the way we are handling basketball.
And I know... Football... blah blah blah. We are spending less on our basketball program that other programs with football and with smaller or similar athletic budgets.
Exactly how much ******* money do you give the athletic program? You should be wielding your influence to straighten them out.
(03-22-2017 03:52 PM)jumpshooter Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 03:47 PM)Monarchblue Wrote: [ -> ] (03-22-2017 03:33 PM)Gilesfan Wrote: [ -> ]Just a comparison, I think Providence brings in 7 million per year in basketball (I believe that doesn't account for the huge bump they got last year) and ODU basketball brings in 2 million? (just off top of head)
There practice facility costs 38 million dollars. Ours was 8.5 million?
Ed Cooley makes about 2 million per year. Jeff Jones makes, what $450k
Just a quick comparison of the two programs that should "compete against each other for recruits."
Sounds like we need to step it up, huh? Paying a coach $450k and building $8 million practice facility is certainly part of the problem that I have with the way we are handling basketball.
And I know... Football... blah blah blah. We are spending less on our basketball program that other programs with football and with smaller or similar athletic budgets.
Exactly how much ******* money do you give the athletic program? You should be wielding your influence to straighten them out.
I already said I'd pledge in $1,200/year for a basketball coach and a new AD, and that's a lot of money for me.
That provides a real return on money. I didn't pitch in a dime for a practice facility. I'm not pitching in any more than individual game tickets and the occassional concession as long as Woody is there to mismanage it. How much money did we spend on that seizure inducing scoreboard and ribbons at the Ted? We probably could have gotten Shaka himself for that.
I don't think your $1,200 a year is going to buy a new basketball coach and AD.
Just send Wood an email and explain to him what he should be doing with our hypothetical millions that we should have. He's a nice guy and typically responds.
All of you who are ×××××ing about the $8.5M basketball practice facility not being costly enough are way off base IMO. The Mitchum Practice Facility privides everything the men's and women's programs need in such a facility, and was paid for w/o student fees, or raising ticket prices. What do you think the players need, gold toilets and bidets? You all do realize that spending on athletic facilities is extremely restricted due to the law which was sponsored by Kirk Cox?
BTW, I believe the scoreboard, and ribbon displays were about $1M, and they are awesome!