Quote:The Trump White House wants significant reductions at the Environmental Protection Agency: two dozen or more programs, including a dozen dealing with President Obama’s climate initiatives; a 20% downsizing in EPA’s 15,000-person workforce; and a one-fourth reduction in its $8.1 billion budget.
The plan requires congressional approval, and thus is hardly a “done deal.” Not surprisingly, it is generating howls of outrage. Former U.S. EPA Administrator Gina McCarthy says the proposal would be “crippling,” and “devastating for the agency's ability to protect public health.”
One employee resigned because the cuts would prevent him from serving “environmental justice” and “vulnerable communities.” A congressman claimed EPA is “already operating at 1989 staffing levels,” and the reductions could mean “cutting the meat and muscle with the fat.”
A deep breath and objective assessment are in order.
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15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
(03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm betting you are on the low side of their average compensation.. I be really surprised if it weren't beyond $100k easy.....
(03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
No way. A lot of those job are between 26k-40k per year. Now that is still a lot of money.
All of that manpower and money, and they still allowed the children of Flint to be poisoned with lead for over a year while they sat around and told everyone to shut up about it.
(03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
Multiply that salary by 2.1 to account for fringe, overhead, and administrative costs.
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(03-11-2017 05:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
Way more than that. Government WRAP rate is 2.1.
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Maybe if we cut the money and headcount, they will be less likely to turn rivers yellow with metal contamination.
(03-11-2017 05:11 PM)hawghiggs Wrote: [ -> ]No way. A lot of those job are between 26k-40k per year. Now that is still a lot of money.
The compensation maybe... But benefits are a huge part of what were talking about. Those benefits average somewhere between 15-20 dollars an hour (so 30-40K a year...
Add that to your low end jobs and you have 40-60K per year on the low end.
(03-11-2017 05:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
Way more than that. Government WRAP rate is 2.1.
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2.1! Are you sure about that?
(03-11-2017 05:18 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ]All of that manpower and money, and they still allowed the children of Flint to be poisoned with lead for over a year while they sat around and told everyone to shut up about it.
Right!
(03-11-2017 05:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
Way more than that. Government WRAP rate is 2.1.
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2.1! Are you sure about that?
Yes, I am sure. Contractor WRAP is usually around 1.6, give or take. That is why the government contracts.
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(03-11-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 04:59 PM)georgia_tech_swagger Wrote: [ -> ]15,000 workers * (A VERY VERY MODEST assumed average compensation of) $50,000
= $750 million .... just in payroll ... before you do a single thing to allegedly help the environment
Now let's factor in a more realistic compensation that includes their pension and healthcare benefits and everything else.
15,000 workers * $75,000
= $1.125 billion .... just in payroll
JFC
I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
Way more than that. Government WRAP rate is 2.1.
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2.1! Are you sure about that?
Yes, I am sure. Contractor WRAP is usually around 1.6, give or take. That is why the government contracts.
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Wow... That is so much more than I had expected. I would have thought maybe 1.8 with a contractor of 1.4....
Is it OH bringing it up so much?
According to the 2016 financial statement payroll accounted for 22% of expenditure. So about $1.7 billion.
(03-11-2017 07:20 PM)banker Wrote: [ -> ]According to the 2016 financial statement payroll accounted for 22% of expenditure. So about $1.7 billion.
So that would make it $113K per employee.
Yea, its time to cut the snot out of it.
(03-11-2017 06:23 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 06:05 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:27 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 05:08 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote: [ -> ]I'm pretty sure your 75K is on the low side as well.... You're leaving out benefits. I would guess somewhere between 90-100K per head.
Way more than that. Government WRAP rate is 2.1.
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2.1! Are you sure about that?
Yes, I am sure. Contractor WRAP is usually around 1.6, give or take. That is why the government contracts.
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Wow... That is so much more than I had expected. I would have thought maybe 1.8 with a contractor of 1.4....
Is it OH bringing it up so much?
For a contractor, fringe is usually 30-35% on top of labor, Overhead 10-15% on top of that. G&A 5-15% on top of that (compounding). That comes to around 1.5 - 1.7 If you are selling product, it can be much lower. Not sure the breakdown of government as I have always been industry, but 2.1 is pretty much a well known number.
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(03-11-2017 08:08 PM)UofMstateU Wrote: [ -> ] (03-11-2017 07:20 PM)banker Wrote: [ -> ]According to the 2016 financial statement payroll accounted for 22% of expenditure. So about $1.7 billion.
So that would make it $113K per employee.
Yea, its time to cut the snot out of it.
Yep. Payroll is unburdened. Pure salary. Actual employee cost is more like $3.5B.
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EPA is far more concerned with protecting its jobs than with protecting the environment.