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since this false claim has been posted two dozen or so times in threads on here since the flynn story broke.

http://www.politifact.com/punditfact/sta...tion-effo/

Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

they "have an agenda" simply because they disagree with what you wanted them to say.

you really want to say politifact has an agenda but "FireAndreaMitchell" doesn't?

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

See, that's a link. That's what's missing with the Trump-Russia allegations. The left wants to take all these disparate factoids and link them together to weave a narrative that, at least so far, simply isn't there. You have people doing perfectly normal things that they want to portray as some sort of nefarious conspiracy theory.

OK, you do have one abnormal actor--Flynn. But he's always been kind of a lone wolf maverick type. Got him fired once, now a second time. I think he's bad news, and I'm glad he's gone.

We need to know why he lied to Pence, and if he lied to the FBI then that too. But unless that leads somewhere, and the FBI report on the transcripts suggests strongly that it doesn't, then it leads nowhere.

Politifact is a leftist website. And yes, Obama really did try to influence Israel's parliamentary election. Just because the "mainstream" media didn't report on it doesn't mean it didn't happen.

In case you did not click

The article says that the US gave money to a project called OneVoice. OneVoice is self described as "young grassroots activists in Israel and Palestine are equipped with the knowledge and skills to be heard as they build momentum and a constituency for the two-state solution locally and internationally"

OneVoice partnered with an anti Netanyahu group, V15, during the 2015 Israeli election season.

The article acknowledges that the logic makes sense...US gives money to an organization that trains activists, the organization then uses the money to train activists, they then partner with an anti Netanyahu group using the newly trained activists, financed by the US, to oppose Netanuahu. Where they find fault is that there is no paper trail.

From the article: "Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game. It would be naive to ignore that OneVoice’s policy positions mesh well with V15’s voter mobilization, but that’s different from saying that American taxpayer dollars were spent by V15."

So they are declaring this as mostly false because there is no substantial proof despite an obvious connect the dots.

The reader needs to use their own logic to make the final determination and decide for themselves the amount of proof necessary in order to make the accusation true.

The US Senate bi-partisan sub-committee investigation concluded:

Quote:

During the Grant Period, OneVoice Crafted a Political Strategy to
Defeat the Netanyahu-Led Coalition
The peace talks initiated by Secretary Kerry ended in late April 2014.

Shortly afterward—and half-way through the State Department grant period OneVoice leadership began preparing for the next Israeli election. The
Subcommittee’s investigation revealed that, during the grant period, OneVoice developed a political strategy designed to defeat the incumbent Israeli government.

Link to Senate report

Then the report contains this nugget:

Quote:The Subcommittee finds that the State Department failed to adequately guard against the risk that resources built with government grants would be deployed for political purposes.

Intentional or incompetence?

(02-17-2017 01:28 PM)solohawks Wrote: [ -> ]In case you did not click

The article says that the US gave money to a project called OneVoice. OneVoice is self described as "young grassroots activists in Israel and Palestine are equipped with the knowledge and skills to be heard as they build momentum and a constituency for the two-state solution locally and internationally"

OneVoice partnered with an anti Netanyahu group, V15, during the 2015 Israeli election season.

The article acknowledges that the logic makes sense...US gives money to an organization that trains activists, the organization then uses the money to train activists, they then partner with an anti Netanyahu group using the newly trained activists, financed by the US, to oppose Netanuahu. Where they find fault is that there is no paper trail.

From the article: "Yes, Obama sent money to OneVoice, a group that promoted a two-state solution. And yes that group partnered with a different group V15 that wanted Netanyahu defeated. But there is no paper trail that the money given to OneVoice was spent on an electoral ground game. It would be naive to ignore that OneVoice’s policy positions mesh well with V15’s voter mobilization, but that’s different from saying that American taxpayer dollars were spent by V15."

So they are declaring this as mostly false because there is no substantial proof despite an obvious connect the dots.

The reader needs to use their own logic to make the final determination and decide for themselves the amount of proof necessary in order to make the accusation true.

Surely there is but nobody has asked for it and nobody (reporter) has audited their books.

(02-17-2017 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

they "have an agenda" simply because they disagree with what you wanted them to say.

you really want to say politifact has an agenda but "FireAndreaMitchell" doesn't?

Obama's state dept funded anti Netanyahu groups who openly tried to defeat him, period end of story. I don't care about fireandreamitchell. It is 100% True.

(02-17-2017 01:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

they "have an agenda" simply because they disagree with what you wanted them to say.

you really want to say politifact has an agenda but "FireAndreaMitchell" doesn't?

Obama's state dept funded anti Netanyahu groups who openly tried to defeat him, period end of story. I don't care about fireandreamitchell. It is 100% True.

except that "period end of story" is clearly incorrect.

(02-17-2017 01:45 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:41 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:19 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

they "have an agenda" simply because they disagree with what you wanted them to say.

you really want to say politifact has an agenda but "FireAndreaMitchell" doesn't?

Obama's state dept funded anti Netanyahu groups who openly tried to defeat him, period end of story. I don't care about fireandreamitchell. It is 100% True.

except that "period end of story" is clearly incorrect.

The claim is 100% True.

i love how liberals try to rewrite history.

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

Politifact is utter nonsense.

I quit reading it a long time back after following it in the Atlanta paper. A Republican and Democrat could say the exact same thing and the Republican would be called mostly false and the Democrat mostly true.

(02-17-2017 02:33 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]

(02-17-2017 01:14 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: [ -> ]Why do people think politifact and others do not have an agenda? Did Obama's state dept send money to anti Netanyahu groups, yes that is a FACT. The writer even admits this is the case then goes full spin mode.

Politifact is utter nonsense.

I quit reading it a long time back after following it in the Atlanta paper. A Republican and Democrat could say the exact same thing and the Republican would be called mostly false and the Democrat mostly true.

Last place I go to evaluate the truth.