BUDAPEST — When President Vladimir V. Putin of Russia last paid a visit to Hungary, Prime Minister Viktor Orban was under siege for his autocratic style, Russia was isolated for its seizure of Crimea, and both men were called xenophobes for their hard-line stance on immigration.
Two years later, as Mr. Putin landed on Thursday for his first foray into Europe in the Trump era, it was a different story. Both men feel vindicated. There is talk of lifting the economic sanctions placed on Russia for its land grab in Ukraine. Their brand of nationalism has moved from the fringe to the mainstream.
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/02/02/world....html?_r=0
Because I think it's important to start watching what is happening with Putin.
Putin makes friends. A very friendly guy. The friendliest.
Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
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Orban is bad news. He muzzled the press, gerrymandered the electorate so that 51% of the votes for his party gets 66% of the seats, then rammed through constitutional changes allowing millions of foreigners to vote in Hungarian elections.
He and Putin are BFF's.
Also note that Hungary claims some Ukrainian territory.
(02-03-2017 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Orban is bad news. He muzzled the press, gerrymandered the electorate so that 51% of the votes for his party gets 66% of the seats, then rammed through constitutional changes allowing millions of foreigners to vote in Hungarian elections.
He and Putin are BFF's.
Also note that Hungary claims some Ukrainian territory.
He also built a wall and created a national voting registry.
Sound familiar?
(02-03-2017 12:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
when said country conquered you for 50 years I would say you have a right to be paranoid.
(02-03-2017 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Orban is bad news. He muzzled the press, gerrymandered the electorate so that 51% of the votes for his party gets 66% of the seats, then rammed through constitutional changes allowing millions of foreigners to vote in Hungarian elections.
He and Putin are BFF's.
Also note that Hungary claims some Ukrainian territory.
Most of the pre WWII borders are lost. Yugoslavia and the Soviet Union were made up of 21 Republics with their own borders within those two unions. The breakup of those two unions was done entirely on those Republican borders so it's really hard to nullify those borders.
Looks like Putin is "Hungary."
(02-03-2017 12:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Orban is bad news. He muzzled the press, gerrymandered the electorate so that 51% of the votes for his party gets 66% of the seats, then rammed through constitutional changes allowing millions of foreigners to vote in Hungarian elections.
He and Putin are BFF's.
Also note that Hungary claims some Ukrainian territory.
He also built a wall and created a national voting registry.
Sound familiar?
It's also the only country which handled the migrant crisis correctly and remains largely unscathed.
(02-03-2017 12:17 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:10 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: [ -> ]Orban is bad news. He muzzled the press, gerrymandered the electorate so that 51% of the votes for his party gets 66% of the seats, then rammed through constitutional changes allowing millions of foreigners to vote in Hungarian elections.
He and Putin are BFF's.
Also note that Hungary claims some Ukrainian territory.
He also built a wall and created a national voting registry.
Sound familiar?
And the Hungarian economy is on its ass. And Orban has done nothing to stop the decline.
(02-03-2017 12:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Putin is "Hungary."
Yup. How will Trump react if he decided to take another country?
(02-03-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Putin is "Hungary."
Yup. How will Trump react if he decided to take another country?
It is not our problem.
You are welcomed to fight Russia yourself.
(02-03-2017 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
when said country conquered you for 50 years I would say you have a right to be paranoid.
I was talking about Fit.
Seems to me that Hungary invited Putin to visit to discuss energy policy.
(02-03-2017 12:32 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Putin is "Hungary."
Yup. How will Trump react if he decided to take another country?
It is not our problem.
You are welcomed to fight Russia yourself.
Nevell Chamberlain Would be proud.
(02-03-2017 12:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
when said country conquered you for 50 years I would say you have a right to be paranoid.
I was talking about Fit.
Seems to me that Hungary invited Putin to visit to discuss energy policy.
that doesn't change anything. should Hungary be worried for itself as well as us not worrying for what will happen to them given their history of being conquered by Russia?
(02-03-2017 12:33 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:32 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:31 PM)Fitbud Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:30 PM)HarmonOliphantOberlanderDevine Wrote: [ -> ]Looks like Putin is "Hungary."
Yup. How will Trump react if he decided to take another country?
It is not our problem.
You are welcomed to fight Russia yourself.
Nevell Chamberlain Would be proud.
Who is Nevell Chamberlain? Never heard of him.
I think you mean Neville Chamberlain, Mr. Teacher.
(02-03-2017 12:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
when said country conquered you for 50 years I would say you have a right to be paranoid.
I was talking about Fit.
Seems to me that Hungary invited Putin to visit to discuss energy policy.
Yes indeed and I'm sure Putin will make them a deal that they can't refuse.
Remember when the libs did not want to be global interventionist policemen?
I remember..
(02-03-2017 12:33 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:25 PM)john01992 Wrote: [ -> ] (02-03-2017 12:09 PM)Kaplony Wrote: [ -> ]Oh God! The paranoia has spread!
when said country conquered you for 50 years I would say you have a right to be paranoid.
I was talking about Fit.
Seems to me that Hungary invited Putin to visit to discuss energy policy.
yeah, you'd think Putin rolled in with tanks. The paranoia is entertaining at least.