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And would the Big 12 kick them out because of it?

1. Not as high as maybe they should be.

2. Probably - what good would the Bears be without football?

#don'tholdyourbreath!

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If they are kicked out -- Houston is most likely replacement, as much as I would like to see UConn in Power 5.

Not saying either the NCAA death penalty or the Big 12 kicking Baylor out are 0% probability, but I think much closer to 0 than 100.


Thing is, the sex stuff is going on everywhere. To pretend that Baylor was this "bad apple" of the bunch, is a joke.

(01-28-2017 12:30 PM)connecticutguy Wrote: [ -> ]If they are kicked out -- Houston is most likely replacement, as much as I would like to see UConn in Power 5.

I doubt Houston is the replacement. Herman is gone, and they would want to branch out instead of bringing in a TX school. OU and TX don't want to compete against Houston for fertile Houston area recruits. My guess is Cincy, then either UConn or BYU in the pecking order.

If they need a replacement , they probably should have about 20 schools make presentations and decide from there. That would be neat.

The odds of Baylor receiving the death penalty are exactly zero. What happened to the Southwest Conference after they gave SMU the death penalty scared the **** out of the NCAA. They've never given it to another major program and never will. Even Texas Southern which had multiple and repeated violations spanning more than a decade in most sports didn't get the death penalty.

I don't think the NCAA will do anything. I doubt the Baptist Convention will do anything, either, although they should.

(01-28-2017 12:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying either the NCAA death penalty or the Big 12 kicking Baylor out are 0% probability, but I think much closer to 0 than 100.


Thing is, the sex stuff is going on everywhere. To pretend that Baylor was this "bad apple" of the bunch, is a joke.

I agree that it is widespread. It just seems more offensive from a school that has touted its religious heritage and high values. Even more so since it appears on the upper end of the continuum of occurrence.

(01-28-2017 12:30 PM)Hokie Mark Wrote: [ -> ]1. Not as high as maybe they should be.

2. Probably - what good would the Bears be without football?

#don'tholdyourbreath!

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See Baylor before Briles.

Prarie View A&M's AD should be nervous

(01-28-2017 12:39 PM)lew240z Wrote: [ -> ]The odds of Baylor receiving the death penalty are exactly zero. What happened to the Southwest Conference after they gave SMU the death penalty scared the **** out of the NCAA. They've never given it to another major program and never will. Even Texas Southern which had multiple and repeated violations spanning more than a decade in most sports didn't get the death penalty.

If not zero, then as close to it as you are ever likely to get.

None.

NCAA hasnt got the balls after SMU

Truth be told, this isn't a matter that the NCAA should have any business acting like an authority figure.


If it was a huge recruit cheating scandal, or helping recruits cheat on their ACT's, using ineligible players, etc. that's the NCAA's place.


Otherwise, it is the fed govt's place (title IX) or the local police's place (criminal acts) to investigate, and has nothing to do with the NCAA.

(01-28-2017 12:14 PM)shizzle787 Wrote: [ -> ]And would the Big 12 kick them out because of it?

Sincerely, what are the differences between the following:





Hey I get what Baylor has done is extremely objectionable, but how is that different in the types of allegations than say Louisville, or Penn State?

If Penn State didn't get a death penalty then why should Baylor? If Baylor doesn't get the death penalty then why should anyone? I think in the degree of public shock that Penn State's offenses are still worse. Baylor's are next, and Louisville's pales by comparison. But, legally all involve crimes. All involve coaches trying to cover things up and the administration was at least aware after the fact, if not subsequent with the discovery of the crimes. So, legally I don't see a great difference in any of them, other than the substance of the crimes having a varying degree of public disgust. [/u][/b]

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(01-28-2017 12:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Not saying either the NCAA death penalty or the Big 12 kicking Baylor out are 0% probability, but I think much closer to 0 than 100.


Thing is, the sex stuff is going on everywhere. To pretend that Baylor was this "bad apple" of the bunch, is a joke.

I agree that it is widespread. It just seems more offensive from a school that has touted its religious heritage and high values. Even more so since it appears on the upper end of the continuum of occurrence.

What happened to FSU? It wasn't just Winston. Something like 40% of the rape allegations on campus involved football players according to their Title IX coordinator. So what did FSU get?-a national title.

What happened to Notre Dame? Nothing at all (as the woman committed suicide, they really couldn't prove anything other than improper handling of the situation).

Montana was probably worse than Baylor and only got a slap on the wrist. Baylor at least did an internal review and dealt with it before they were forced to as Montana was.

Don't think the death penalty will ever be used again.

(01-28-2017 04:21 PM)bullet Wrote: [ -> ]Montana was probably worse than Baylor and only got a slap on the wrist. Baylor at least did an internal review and dealt with it before they were forced to as Montana was.

There are many similarities between the Baylor scandal and the one at Montana, but we can't make the worse-or-not comparison confidently yet, because there is so much more information available now about Montana, and not enough yet about Baylor. We don't know much about what Baylor did or didn't do to address its scandal other than firing Starr, Art Briles, and McCaw, and they've been very secretive about the extent of their internal investigation, what the investigation found, and the extent of remedial steps they may have taken. Reporters persistently dug into and reported on the Montana scandal, including this good book. After we have that much information about what happened at Baylor, then we can better compare.

(01-28-2017 03:31 PM)MplsBison Wrote: [ -> ]Truth be told, this isn't a matter that the NCAA should have any business acting like an authority figure.

So the NCAA should not be involved when athletes commit crimes and the program and the athletic department and the school cover it up? 52 may not be an accurate number, let's just say A LOT of crimes.

Perhaps the NCAA might not be involved, but a bigger punishment could come from the Federal Government. No Federally backed scholarships or aid for a specific amount of time because of the wholesale assault on women and Baylor's part in this horrific mess. That would be far and away more damaging to the University than having football scholarships taken away.